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# Guarantee 4 out of 13 numbers

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The Pick 5 contains 39 numbers

Interested to determine how many lines of 13 numbers would guarantee 4.

Robert

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The Pick 5 contains 39 numbers

Interested to determine how many lines of 13 numbers would guarantee 4.

Robert

Robersable

It would depend on how well balanced the lines of 13 were.

Consider this, Lets say that you formed 3 lines of 13 using

all 39 numbers only once,  each line would contain 715

sets of 4.  The 3 lines of 13 would contain only 2145 sets.

There are 82,251 sets of 4 in 39 numbers.  If you could

arrange the lines without any repeats of 4 then it would

take 82,251 / 715 = 115.04.  However this cannot be done

to my knowledge.  There are 8,122,425,444 sets of 13 in

39.  If you divided each set of 13 into 3 groups of 4, 4, 5

and then added  4 from one group plus 4 from another

and 5 from the 3rd  to form another set of 13,  and done

this for all three groups then each set would have 7 repeats

from the first 3 sets of 13.  Each time you built another 3 lines

of 13 you would get more and more repeats and would

need more and more lines of 13 to catch every set of 4 because

each line of 13 would contain fewer and fewer non repeating sets.

I would guess it could be done with around 500 to 1000

sets of 13 but might take many more that that.  There

might be a formula to compute the fewest lines needed

but I do not know it.

RL

Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

Trump / 2016 & 2020

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Thanks for the explanation, and theory.

Robert

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I received the following response with 203 lines required.

In Coverage design your question would
be converted to v=39, k=13, t=4 as C(39,13,4).

The link to the lowest current guaranteed 4 numbers list is 203 and it
was created by Jan de Heer and Steve Muir.

Thoughts?

Robert

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The Pick 5 contains 39 numbers

Interested to determine how many lines of 13 numbers would guarantee 4.

Robert

A 4if4 with 13 numbers requires 167 lines.

1  2  3  4  8
1  2  3  5  6
1  2  3  5  8
1  2  3  5 13
1  2  3  6  9
1  2  3  7 11
1  2  3  8 10
1  2  3 11 12
1  2  4  5 11
1  2  4  6 13
1  2  4  7 10
1  2  4  8  9
1  2  4  8 11
1  2  4  9 12
1  2  5  7 12
1  2  5  9 10
1  2  6  7  9
1  2  6  8 12
1  2  6 10 11
1  2  7  8 13
1  2  9 11 13
1  2 10 12 13
1  3  4  5 10
1  3  4  6  7
1  3  4  7 12
1  3  4  9 11
1  3  4 11 13
1  3  5  7 10
1  3  5  8  9
1  3  5 11 12
1  3  6  7  8
1  3  6 10 13
1  3  6 11 12
1  3  7  9 13
1  3  8 10 11
1  3  8 12 13
1  3  9 10 12
1  4  5  6 12
1  4  5  7  9
1  4  5  8 13
1  4  6  7 11
1  4  6  8 12
1  4  6  9 10
1  4  6  9 13
1  4  6 12 13
1  4  7  8 10
1  4  7 10 13
1  4 10 11 12
1  5  6  7 13
1  5  6  8 10
1  5  6  9 11
1  5  7  8 11
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1  5  9 12 13
1  5 10 11 13
1  6  7 10 12
1  6  8  9 12
1  6  8 11 13
1  7  8  9 12
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1  7 11 12 13
1  8  9 10 13
1  8  9 11 12
2  3  4  5 12
2  3  4  6 11
2  3  4  7 11
2  3  4  8 13
2  3  4  9 10
2  3  5  7 10
2  3  5  9 11
2  3  5 10 13
2  3  6  7 13
2  3  6  8  9
2  3  6  8 11
2  3  6 10 12
2  3  7  8 12
2  3  7  9 12
2  3  9 10 11
2  3  9 12 13
2  3 10 11 13
2  4  5  6  8
2  4  5  7  8
2  4  5  9 13
2  4  5 10 11
2  4  6  7  9
2  4  6  7 12
2  4  6 10 13
2  4  7 12 13
2  4  8 10 12
2  4  9 10 11
2  4 11 12 13
2  5  6  7 11
2  5  6  9 10
2  5  6 12 13
2  5  7  9 12
2  5  7 11 13
2  5  8  9 12
2  5  8 10 11
2  5  8 10 13
2  5 10 11 12
2  6  7  8 10
2  6  8  9 13
2  6  9 11 12
2  6 11 12 13
2  7  8  9 11
2  7  9 10 13
2  7 10 11 12
2  8  9 10 12
2  8 11 12 13
3  4  5  6  9
3  4  5  7 13
3  4  5  8 11
3  4  5  8 12
3  4  6  8 10
3  4  6  9 12
3  4  6 12 13
3  4  7  8  9
3  4  7 10 11
3  4  9 10 13
3  4 10 11 12
3  5  6  7 11
3  5  6  7 12
3  5  6  8 13
3  5  6 10 11
3  5  7  8 10
3  5  7  9 13
3  5  9 10 12
3  5 11 12 13
3  6  7  9 10
3  6  8 10 12
3  6  9 11 13
3  7  8 11 13
3  7  9 11 12
3  7 10 12 13
3  8  9 10 13
3  8  9 11 12
4  5  6  7 10
4  5  6 11 13
4  5  7 11 12
4  5  8  9 10
4  5  9 11 12
4  5 10 12 13
4  6  7  8 13
4  6  8  9 11
4  6 10 11 12
4  7  8 11 12
4  7  9 10 12
4  7  9 11 13
4  8  9 12 13
4  8 10 11 13
5  6  7  8  9
5  6  7  9 11
5  6  8 11 12
5  6  9 10 12
5  6  9 10 13
5  7  8 12 13
5  7  9 10 11
5  7 10 12 13
5  8  9 11 13
6  7  8 11 12
6  7  9 12 13
6  7 10 11 13
6  8  9 10 11
6  8 10 12 13
7  8  9 10 13
7  8 10 11 12
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According to the book Lotto Wheel Five To Win by Gail Howard, 13 numbers, 4 of 4 win would require 166 lines times 203 equals 33,698.

This past weekend first prize paid \$667,000.  I have mad worse wagers in Las Vegas and Laughlin. (Not to the extent of that amount).  Having an additional eleven risk takers I could accept. Approximately \$3060 for a possible \$40,000.  Not a bad wager.

Robert

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I received the following response with 203 lines required.

In Coverage design your question would
be converted to v=39, k=13, t=4 as C(39,13,4).

The link to the lowest current guaranteed 4 numbers list is 203 and it
was created by Jan de Heer and Steve Muir.

Thoughts?

Robert

Robert

I would be very much interested in the link, can you post it.  I made a search and could not find

the 39-13-4. I would like to have that list.

RL

Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

Trump / 2016 & 2020

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Created by Jan de Heer and Steve Muir

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3 11 12 13 15 16 19 20 23 26 31 34 35

3 13 14 16 22 23 24 27 28 29 31 32 35

4 5 6 8 10 13 15 17 18 24 26 28 35

4 5 6 9 12 15 17 18 20 21 26 30 36

4 5 6 13 14 16 19 26 27 29 34 36 37

4 5 7 8 12 16 20 28 29 33 35 37 38

4 5 7 10 11 12 18 19 23 24 25 27 32

4 5 8 10 13 18 20 24 26 28 32 34 35

4 5 10 14 18 24 29 30 32 33 36 38 39

4 6 7 8 17 24 25 27 30 32 33 35 36

4 6 7 9 10 15 16 19 28 29 30 35 38

4 6 8 9 14 17 21 24 32 35 37 38 39

4 7 9 15 20 21 24 25 26 27 31 32 37

4 7 11 16 17 18 21 26 28 29 35 36 38

4 7 13 14 16 22 25 27 28 31 32 35 38

4 8 12 13 14 15 16 18 21 27 29 30 34

4 9 10 11 13 14 16 17 20 27 29 33 34

4 9 11 12 13 19 21 24 28 30 34 35 37

4 10 13 15 17 18 20 22 24 26 28 34 38

4 11 12 14 15 19 20 24 26 32 33 38 39

5 6 7 8 10 14 15 16 18 23 26 27 31

5 6 7 8 10 14 15 17 18 20 25 38 39

5 6 7 8 10 16 17 20 23 25 27 38 39

5 6 7 8 10 17 20 25 26 31 36 38 39

5 6 8 9 12 17 18 19 21 26 30 33 36

5 6 8 10 11 15 19 20 21 26 33 36 37

5 6 9 10 11 12 17 18 21 26 30 36 37

5 6 12 21 22 24 25 26 29 30 31 35 38

5 7 14 15 17 19 21 24 28 29 31 33 34

5 8 9 10 11 12 15 18 19 20 21 33 37

5 8 9 14 19 20 22 23 25 29 30 32 34

5 8 10 11 12 15 17 18 19 20 30 33 37

5 8 14 15 16 18 23 25 26 27 31 38 39

5 9 10 13 14 18 21 22 23 28 37 38 39

5 9 12 13 15 17 23 27 29 32 35 36 38

5 10 14 15 16 17 18 20 23 26 27 31 39

6 7 8 9 13 14 17 21 22 25 27 29 37

6 7 9 12 14 18 20 24 28 29 31 34 36

6 7 14 15 16 17 18 23 26 27 31 38 39

6 8 9 10 11 15 17 19 20 26 30 33 37

6 8 10 11 12 15 18 19 20 26 33 36 37

6 8 12 13 16 17 22 23 28 30 31 33 36

6 8 14 15 16 17 18 20 23 25 26 27 31

6 10 11 14 15 21 22 23 25 29 32 34 36

6 11 13 18 20 23 27 29 30 32 35 37 38

7 8 10 11 14 24 26 28 29 30 31 34 37

7 9 11 12 14 16 19 21 23 25 30 33 36

7 9 11 14 16 19 21 23 25 30 31 36 39

7 9 11 14 16 19 23 25 27 30 36 37 38

7 9 12 16 19 21 25 27 31 33 37 38 39

7 10 14 15 16 18 20 23 25 26 27 31 38

7 11 12 14 21 23 25 27 31 33 37 38 39

8 9 10 11 15 17 19 20 21 30 33 36 37

8 9 11 15 18 22 24 25 29 31 33 35 38

8 10 13 19 21 23 26 27 29 32 33 35 38

9 11 12 13 19 21 24 28 30 33 35 36 37

9 11 12 14 16 19 23 27 30 33 36 38 39

9 11 12 14 16 19 23 30 31 33 36 37 39

9 11 14 16 19 21 23 27 30 31 36 37 38

9 12 19 21 22 28 30 32 33 34 35 36 37

9 13 15 16 20 21 22 23 26 28 31 37 38

10 17 19 20 22 24 25 29 31 35 36 37 38

12 14 17 18 22 23 25 26 29 32 33 34 37

13 14 15 20 22 24 26 28 30 33 36 38 39

That's a strange looking Pick 5.

Gent
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That's a strange looking Pick 5.

I actually think Robersabel2 got it right. The TS specifically asked: how many lines of 13 numbers would guarantee 4.

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Thanks for the confirmation.  Obviously, to play Pick 5, wheel each line of 13 numbers 166 times.  Guaranteed at least one four, and found one line that would yield 8 four's not taking in account multitude of three's and two's.

Not finished with researching method.

Robert

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Correction on previous...and found previous results would have yielded if not one five, at least one four, and at the most 8 four's not taking in account multitude of three's and two's. (Referring to 203 lines listed).

Robert

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Correction on previous...and found previous results would have yielded if not one five, at least one four, and at the most 8 four's not taking in account multitude of three's and two's. (Referring to 203 lines listed).

Robert

Robert

Consider this. Many of the lines would contain the same 4 numbers.  The odds for a 4 of 5 win in a

5-39 game are 3387 to 1.   If there are at least 10 lines that contain that contain a certin set of 4

numbers then would not the odds of choosing a line of 13 be 1 in 20.3 for a 4 of 5 win with only 166 sets.

I built a program years ago to use this type of system but did not have the list and gave up on building

one.  I think this has very good things that could be done with it.  I am shifting gears and going back

to this method to see what I can do with it.  I can filter 166 sets down to 5 to 10 very easy.  And if the

set selected had all 5 numbers within it, BAMMM!  Do you know if the list is copyrighted or restricted in

in way.

RL

Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

Trump / 2016 & 2020

Ft lauderdale , florida
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I have won   few times 4 numbers  in fantasy 5.
4 numbers  often paid less than \$100.

I also have won 3 numbers on fantasy 5  paying   as much as \$24.50 for 3 numbers.
i  was buying \$20 everyday  for three months ................and did not make it on the win of  5 numbers .
Few days i even put \$40  and did not do any better .

I often had all the numbers chosen but they were not on the same winning line.
If you don't have all the numbers choosen ............you might get several three winning numbers  but not 4.
I believe the garanty of 4 .............if you have choosen all the right 13 numbers .
I stop playing the fantasy 5.

So right now i am back to cash 3.

Ft lauderdale , florida
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By the Way
Florida has only  36 numbers ........should have been easier than 39  and still  did not make  it  to the win of the Jackpot .

Eveyone of us has a dream of thinking that we can beat the odd.............but i think we need a little bit of luck with that.

There is nothing wrong about having that dream............that's  what keep us going ..........I do hope  you get  reward  on your  effort and luck for the Jackpot.

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