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Number Of Draws & Frequency?

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THRUST's avatar - f35l

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Posted: July 16, 2010, 12:21 am - IP Logged

I have seen many 4/5 and even 5/5 hits using 14 most frequent in 100 draws...when I brought this up before people said you don't need to go by so many as 100 draws...I looked into 12 draws but it doesn't seem the best maybe 20 draws???

I need some insight into this.

By the way this is concerning Cash 5...but seen the same with Win For Life.

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    Posted: July 16, 2010, 12:44 am - IP Logged

    How did you decide which  numbers to use when numbers that had hit fourteen times covered the 12th to the 19th most popular numbers?  Did you use the three lowest or the three highest numbers of the group to make up your group of fourteen?  That situation happened many times when I compared the past 100 drawings in Ohio Rolling Cash5.

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      Posted: July 16, 2010, 8:57 pm - IP Logged

      I just used the 14 most frequent out of 100 from all 34 numbers. (-)Least (+) Most

      (-)32-02-13-24-18-30-11-14-26-06-15-17-29-05-12-20-22-31-08-16-23-25-33-07-01-21-27-34-03-10-09-19-04-28(+)

      Most frequent is in red. Expected frequency is 15 times. Most 28(26 Times) & Least 32(7 Times)

      Like today 05-11-14-20-24 came up...all in the least frequent 14. So is doesn't work all the time.

      Like I said I always use the most frequent 14 out of 100 draws...but 100 draws may be too much...someone suggested 12...but maybe 20 or so may be better??? I really don't know that is why I am asking.

      Or would playing the 14 middle frequent be better to get some of the most and some of the least???

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        Posted: July 16, 2010, 11:10 pm - IP Logged


           CYL 0         04/08/10 TO 07/16/10 �SKIP 0 + 100 DRAW x 0

             7: 21    25: 15    38: 12    14: 10    41: 0     51: 0
             3: 21    18: 15    32: 12    10: 10    42: 0     52: 0
            12: 20    17: 15    20: 12    16: 9     43: 0     53: 0
            30: 18    36: 14     6: 12    35: 8     44: 0     54: 0
             4: 18    33: 14     5: 12    37: 7     45: 0     55: 0
            39: 16    28: 14     8: 11    31: 7     46: 0     56: 0
            23: 16    27: 14     1: 11    24: 7     47: 0     57: 0
            19: 16    22: 14    26: 10    34: 6     48: 0     58: 0
             9: 16    11: 13    21: 10    13: 6     49: 0     59: 0
            29: 15     2: 13    15: 10    40: 0     50: 0     60: 0


        This is how my summary page for the last 100 drawings for Rolling Cash5 looks.  When I look at top 14 numbers, they end with 36 but the numbers 33, 28, 27 and 22 hit as many times as 36.   This is what I was asking about.

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          Posted: July 17, 2010, 12:31 am - IP Logged

          I suggest you hold on to the printouts and draw a circle around each winning number, then over time you'll see where your winning numbers come from. 

          If you have the GH software you can go back 100 draws and using the past 100 draws prior as history, chew your way through back up to now.  I suspect you'll find the top 14 numbers aren't as predictive as you think, if they were lottery players would be all over it.

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            Posted: July 17, 2010, 12:52 am - IP Logged

            I suggest you hold on to the printouts and draw a circle around each winning number, then over time you'll see where your winning numbers come from. 

            If you have the GH software you can go back 100 draws and using the past 100 draws prior as history, chew your way through back up to now.  I suspect you'll find the top 14 numbers aren't as predictive as you think, if they were lottery players would be all over it.

            BobP

            On my excel files i did that for the longest time hoping to trap the cold numbers in a wheel i made but as usual the cold numbers came out with the hot numbers many times. It was a year long battle that cost me plenty but i did manage a 150 dollar win on mega millions doing it.

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              Posted: July 17, 2010, 1:22 am - IP Logged

              I suggest you hold on to the printouts and draw a circle around each winning number, then over time you'll see where your winning numbers come from. 

              If you have the GH software you can go back 100 draws and using the past 100 draws prior as history, chew your way through back up to now.  I suspect you'll find the top 14 numbers aren't as predictive as you think, if they were lottery players would be all over it.

              BobP

              Actually, that wasn't a print out but a copy of the page, it's an old DOS program written in Basic.  It does high lite the last five winning numbers and as you said they are all over the place for Rolling Cash5.  Thrust must have tracked a game that acted much differently.

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                Posted: July 18, 2010, 1:36 pm - IP Logged

                I have seen many 4/5 and even 5/5 hits using 14 most frequent in 100 draws...when I brought this up before people said you don't need to go by so many as 100 draws...I looked into 12 draws but it doesn't seem the best maybe 20 draws???

                I need some insight into this.

                By the way this is concerning Cash 5...but seen the same with Win For Life.

                An interesting observation.  I tried to duplicate with Ohio Rolling Cash5 and only got a couple of 4/5 and a few 3/5.  Tried different amount of draws and didn't do any better, numbers were all over the place.

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                  Posted: July 18, 2010, 9:11 pm - IP Logged

                  Determining number of draws to analyze to get useful frequency data is one of the elements of lottery play I've found most challenging.

                  I've been away from here for a while, so I'm not sure if this is a taboo subject as he can be quite controversial at times, but I've found Ion Saliu's "Fundamental Formula of Gambling" (FFG) to be pretty accurate for determining the number of previous draws in which the numbers that appear in the next draw for a given "Degree of Certainty" appear (in a nutshell).  You can read more about his theory as it applies to lotteries here.

                  If I use these numbers of draws in a frequency chart (I usually use the 99.9% value), I have gotten what I consider to be useful results in the frequency charts for the 6/49 draws I've tested with.

                  In short, for a 5/34 lottery, using the FFG, you will need to analyze the following number of draws for the specified Degrees of Certainty (I usually round up when applying this, and then run that number of draws through some software to get frequency/skip charts):

                  99.9% - 43.4 draws

                  99% - 28.95 draws

                  90% - 14.48 draws

                   

                  Just something to try for yourself :)

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                    Posted: July 19, 2010, 11:01 am - IP Logged

                    Determining number of draws to analyze to get useful frequency data is one of the elements of lottery play I've found most challenging.

                    I've been away from here for a while, so I'm not sure if this is a taboo subject as he can be quite controversial at times, but I've found Ion Saliu's "Fundamental Formula of Gambling" (FFG) to be pretty accurate for determining the number of previous draws in which the numbers that appear in the next draw for a given "Degree of Certainty" appear (in a nutshell).  You can read more about his theory as it applies to lotteries here.

                    If I use these numbers of draws in a frequency chart (I usually use the 99.9% value), I have gotten what I consider to be useful results in the frequency charts for the 6/49 draws I've tested with.

                    In short, for a 5/34 lottery, using the FFG, you will need to analyze the following number of draws for the specified Degrees of Certainty (I usually round up when applying this, and then run that number of draws through some software to get frequency/skip charts):

                    99.9% - 43.4 draws

                    99% - 28.95 draws

                    90% - 14.48 draws

                     

                    Just something to try for yourself :)

                    Saliu once made a few posts at LP.  I remember when all his stuff was free but the last time I checked he had started charging for it.  I guess he found out the best way to make money off the lotteries is to sell lottery software.

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                      Posted: July 19, 2010, 11:38 am - IP Logged

                      Saliu once made a few posts at LP.  I remember when all his stuff was free but the last time I checked he had started charging for it.  I guess he found out the best way to make money off the lotteries is to sell lottery software.

                      He is charging an access fee for most of his software now, but 2 of his programs are still free - ToolsLotto6 (for Pick 6 draw analysis) and ToolsLotto5 (for Pick 5 draw analysis) - download links are on those pages but buried a bit towards the bottom.  I use ToolsLotto6 a fair bit for the frequency/skip charts as it generates a text file that can be fairly easily parsed by custom Perl scripts :)