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# VTracks alternative.

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 Posted: October 8, 2010, 9:13 am - IP Logged

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The 35 that I posted do appear to be the 35 boxed VTracks.

As to all the other stuff that you posted about there on that post, I got no time to try to look into it today, maybe this weekend.

Thanks a lot!

No problem! It takes some time to get your head wrapped around it, but like I said, I look at all the possibilities of the next draw from the digits being boxed. All the work is from a boxed perspective and the last thing you will want to do is order your solution(s) for a strait play.

35 trac sets is manageable and takes the 220 boxed combinations into subgroups.

DD

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Lantern, see my post in vtrac for dummies Jan 10, 2010.

At first glance it looks like the 35.

Winsum is the first to point out the 35 but he might have gotten the idea from the author of vtracs. The 125 are still important but if you look at the thread above there are sub groups within the 35. Not every boxed vtrac delivers 8 combinations (the vtrac Mirror).

Raven pointed that out in a thread of yours in the spring. He/she/it did not explaine in depth what he/she/it posted. There are 5 tracs with 4 combinations, 10 tracks with 8 and 20 tracs with 6 combinations. 5+10+20=35. Tracs rarely repeat draw to draw so you could say you have a 1:34 chance to get the next one right! If you correctly select the next trac and it has 4 BOXED combinations (the mirrors,.. search is your friend here) , you have a 1:4 chance to get it right. If trips are not due by that trac, then you have a 1:3 chance to select the right BOXED combination. Play all three boxed.

DD

Which Group(s) to consider for Play: 1 & 2 Digit Repeats:

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Which Group(s) to consider for Play: 1 & 2 Digit Repeats:

Okay Raven, ( an excellent link BTW) In the context of the thread and variations of vtracs,.....

My turn to ask for help. I would like you to expand the explanation on these facts you presented. Can you express yourself a bit more about your findings like what data was used, the period, etc. What exactly repeats? Digits of the last Vtrac? I know there are subtle importance’s in your results- help me see them with your eyes. You are suggesting one should play the 1 & 2 VTRAC digit repeats or favor them in the next draw because they amount to 36.1% + 35.8% = 72.3% of events?

RAVEN SAYS IN THE LINK ABOVE:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Vtracs Repeats: (Mid-to-Mid & Eve-to-Eve)

0-Digit Repeats=14.3%                 ( how did you get these %’s? How many draws/records/sample? I can't get past this easily  ¿ DD)
1-Digit Repeats=36.1%
2-Digit Repeats=35.8%
3-Digit Repeats=13.8%

(Therefore, Dimwhit Drawers  )

If the Last Drawn Vtrac=v123       (one would be selecting a vtrac for the next draw from these 4 groups based on repeatability anticipated? Y?N? DD)

For a 0-Digit Vtrac Repeat:            (select from these ONLY IF V123 was the last drawn Vtrac and you anticipate Zero digit repeats? Y?N? DD)

v444, v445, v455, v555

For a 1-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v144, v145, v155
v244, v245, v255
v344, v345, v355

For a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v114, v115, v124, v125, v134, v135
v224, v225, v234, v235, v334, v335

For a 3-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v111, v112, v113, v122, v123
v133, v222, v223, v233, v333

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thank you Raven, sorry about being so thick, but it happens before the lights come on. BTW, got a new thingy that works out real good- so good it may be the final link in the chain. It is a jaw dropper, I call it the "Fifth Ace", or "what's up your sleeve?" Wana trade anything? Let's co-op. I really don't want to learn excel to make the sheets unless that is part of the challenge.

DD

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Okay Raven, ( an excellent link BTW) In the context of the thread and variations of vtracs,.....

My turn to ask for help. I would like you to expand the explanation on these facts you presented. Can you express yourself a bit more about your findings like what data was used, the period, etc. What exactly repeats? Digits of the last Vtrac? I know there are subtle importance’s in your results- help me see them with your eyes. You are suggesting one should play the 1 & 2 VTRAC digit repeats or favor them in the next draw because they amount to 36.1% + 35.8% = 72.3% of events?

RAVEN SAYS IN THE LINK ABOVE:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Vtracs Repeats: (Mid-to-Mid & Eve-to-Eve)

0-Digit Repeats=14.3%                 ( how did you get these %’s? How many draws/records/sample? I can't get past this easily  ¿ DD)
1-Digit Repeats=36.1%
2-Digit Repeats=35.8%
3-Digit Repeats=13.8%

(Therefore, Dimwhit Drawers  )

If the Last Drawn Vtrac=v123       (one would be selecting a vtrac for the next draw from these 4 groups based on repeatability anticipated? Y?N? DD)

For a 0-Digit Vtrac Repeat:            (select from these ONLY IF V123 was the last drawn Vtrac and you anticipate Zero digit repeats? Y?N? DD)

v444, v445, v455, v555

For a 1-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v144, v145, v155
v244, v245, v255
v344, v345, v355

For a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v114, v115, v124, v125, v134, v135
v224, v225, v234, v235, v334, v335

For a 3-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v111, v112, v113, v122, v123
v133, v222, v223, v233, v333

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thank you Raven, sorry about being so thick, but it happens before the lights come on. BTW, got a new thingy that works out real good- so good it may be the final link in the chain. It is a jaw dropper, I call it the "Fifth Ace", or "what's up your sleeve?" Wana trade anything? Let's co-op. I really don't want to learn excel to make the sheets unless that is part of the challenge.

DD

The concept of Repeat Digits or Wheeling shouldn't be new to you when applied to Vtracs!

Here's an Example of a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

NJ 10/13 Eve=236 v342

For a 0-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v111, v115, v155, v555

For a 1-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v112, v113, v114
v125, v135, v145
v255, v355, v455

For a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v122, v123, v124, v133, v134, v144
v225, v235, v245, v335, v345, v445

For a 3-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v222, v223, v224, v233, v234
v244, v333, v334, v344, v444

NJ 10/14 Eve=428 v534

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The concept of Repeat Digits or Wheeling shouldn't be new to you when applied to Vtracs!

Here's an Example of a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

NJ 10/13 Eve=236 v342

For a 0-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v111, v115, v155, v555

For a 1-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v112, v113, v114
v125, v135, v145
v255, v355, v455

For a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v122, v123, v124, v133, v134, v144
v225, v235, v245, v335, v345, v445

For a 3-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v222, v223, v224, v233, v234
v244, v333, v334, v344, v444

NJ 10/14 Eve=428 v534

Thanks for the example, I need to study it.

Sometimes it is difficult to get a new perspective but try playing the game of Chess with the board rotated 180 degrees and you will see what I mean. If you are white, black will be closest to you.

I value the different perspectives but to be honest, what is axiomatic for some is unseen for others. I appreciate your help and the example. Can you answer the questions?

Regards,

DD

As for alterations to Vtracs there is something called Neighbors that falls in line with the thread. I did a System's forum write-up on Vtrac mirror combinations and one on Neighbors mirror combinations. Here the use of 'mirror' as used for the 125 Vtracs from the menu bar takes on a whole new meaning to what constitutes a 'mirror'. They are the combinations from which a Vtrac or Neighbor or any substitution scheme similar delivers in whole. Each 'trac' can produce 8 combinations for play that are played strait. My boxed method for selecting the next vtrac gets me started with 35 (34) BOXED vtracs to determine the next vtrac, regardless of it's order with no permutations. So Vboxed123= V231 and V231 is not on the chart because Vboxed123 covers 48 permutations/combinations of the mirrors including those of V231. Once the next vtrac is selected, there is a place where only one playable combination agrees from another scheme's mirrors. Odds are 1:1000.

You have to backtest, then turn the table so-to-speak to forward test.

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Okay Raven, ( an excellent link BTW) In the context of the thread and variations of vtracs,.....

My turn to ask for help. I would like you to expand the explanation on these facts you presented. Can you express yourself a bit more about your findings like what data was used, the period, etc. What exactly repeats? Digits of the last Vtrac? I know there are subtle importance’s in your results- help me see them with your eyes. You are suggesting one should play the 1 & 2 VTRAC digit repeats or favor them in the next draw because they amount to 36.1% + 35.8% = 72.3% of events?

RAVEN SAYS IN THE LINK ABOVE:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Vtracs Repeats: (Mid-to-Mid & Eve-to-Eve)

0-Digit Repeats=14.3%                 ( how did you get these %’s? How many draws/records/sample? I can't get past this easily  ¿ DD)
1-Digit Repeats=36.1%
2-Digit Repeats=35.8%
3-Digit Repeats=13.8%

(Therefore, Dimwhit Drawers  )

If the Last Drawn Vtrac=v123       (one would be selecting a vtrac for the next draw from these 4 groups based on repeatability anticipated? Y?N? DD)

For a 0-Digit Vtrac Repeat:            (select from these ONLY IF V123 was the last drawn Vtrac and you anticipate Zero digit repeats? Y?N? DD)

v444, v445, v455, v555

For a 1-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v144, v145, v155
v244, v245, v255
v344, v345, v355

For a 2-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v114, v115, v124, v125, v134, v135
v224, v225, v234, v235, v334, v335

For a 3-Digit Vtrac Repeat:

v111, v112, v113, v122, v123
v133, v222, v223, v233, v333

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thank you Raven, sorry about being so thick, but it happens before the lights come on. BTW, got a new thingy that works out real good- so good it may be the final link in the chain. It is a jaw dropper, I call it the "Fifth Ace", or "what's up your sleeve?" Wana trade anything? Let's co-op. I really don't want to learn excel to make the sheets unless that is part of the challenge.

DD

"how did you get these %'s? How many draws/records/sample? I can't get past this"

Where else would they come from?

There are 3,254 New Jersey Pick 3 Midday drawings since November 12, 2001
There are 12,210 New Jersey Pick 3 Evening drawings since May 22, 1975

Is the sample too large?

The advantage to Excel is: If there is no Software that tracks things you want to track, you can write your own!

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This is why excel is needed. I wish I could expand more on vtracs for all who need the info but its best explainable when You have past draws in an excel sheet.

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"how did you get these %'s? How many draws/records/sample? I can't get past this"

Where else would they come from?

There are 3,254 New Jersey Pick 3 Midday drawings since November 12, 2001
There are 12,210 New Jersey Pick 3 Evening drawings since May 22, 1975

Is the sample too large?

The advantage to Excel is: If there is no Software that tracks things you want to track, you can write your own!

Well thank you. That adds light to your percentages having derived them from a large sample.

Wise guy.

DD

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