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A National Lottery During Our Lifetime

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dphillips's avatar - littleuns
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Posted: October 29, 2010, 3:50 pm - IP Logged

Our state lotteries are substantial and rewarding, depending upon which lottery is being played and the payout. However, do you forsee a national lottery in our lifetime -- 10 or 20 years from now? Who knows, a national lottery could generate billions of dollars (imagine someone winning a billion dollar lottery)?  The majority of us are impressed when a person wins 100 million dollars or more, of course, that's enough money to retire -- even after taxes.

Quite frankly, I don't think I'll live long enough to see no taxation on lottery winnings: maybe the next generation will be the recepient of that gift.

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    Posted: October 29, 2010, 4:50 pm - IP Logged

    Powerball was originally called LOTTO USA. Maybe the intention was that it woulld become a national lottery and thus the name, but then the name changed.

    I'm not sure if we'll ever see a national lottery, especiially with "holdout" states.

    I think there should be one. Let the post office sell the tickets, and give them a piece of ticket sales.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: October 29, 2010, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

      "I'm not sure if we'll ever see a national lottery, especiially with "holdout" states."

      States have no say in whether or not we get a national lottery, because national lotteries are run by nations, not  groups of states. If every state eventually offers PB, MM, or some other game we'll have a nationwide lottery. It will take an act of congress to get a national lottery. If that happens there probably won't be any hold out states, because the government can sell the tickets wherever they want.

      Of course most conservatives and a few state AG's will  try to stop them, claiming that a national lottery is unconstitutional. If it wasn't for the obvious effect on commerce, I suppose it would be, unless everybody agrees that the lottery is a way of collecting taxes.

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        Posted: October 29, 2010, 11:57 pm - IP Logged

        KY Floyd,

        Let's say there is a national lottery. You say states have no say in whether there is one. So we'll say there is one but how do people in Utah, for example, buy tickets since it is against the law to do so?

        You can't have a national lottery until it is legal to buy a lottery ticket in all the states in a nation.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: October 30, 2010, 12:07 am - IP Logged

          No Worry: Federal Law Trumps State Law!

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            No Worry: Federal Law Trumps State Law!

            Amendment X

            The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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            Furthermore, the power and authority and sovereignty the federal government has usurped from the states in the total corruption of the Commerce Clause is a crime that should not go unpunished for all those guilty of it and still living  (In my humble opinion).


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              Posted: October 30, 2010, 2:20 am - IP Logged

              What I like to see as a pick 3 player at heart, is a national p-3 game. It will be pari-mutuel, so larger payouts will be more enticing. Instead of a fixed 500 dollar payout, a fair tier payout scale system can be formed to reward those who beat the system rewarding them to thousands instead of hundreds.

              California is pari-mutuel state. I won 526 bucks on 026 five or so years ago. A national game would've theoretically netted me upwards of 2 grand or more....

               

               

               

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                Posted: October 30, 2010, 10:21 am - IP Logged

                KY Floyd,

                Let's say there is a national lottery. You say states have no say in whether there is one. So we'll say there is one but how do people in Utah, for example, buy tickets since it is against the law to do so?

                You can't have a national lottery until it is legal to buy a lottery ticket in all the states in a nation.

                If a National lottery was enacted the Federal Government could put terminals (as you suggested) in U.S. Post Offices because they are on Federal property within each state. It's not illegal for Utah residents to gamble in Nevada or Colorado or to buy lottery tickets in states with a lottery. So the same laws would apply to a National lottery.

                There are some states that are now considering privatizing their lotteries and if or when that happens the Federal Government could create a controlling agency where circumstances could eventually lead to a National lottery. As for now I don't see the necessity for a National lottery when the Feds are already getting their cut by way of Federal income tax.

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                  Posted: October 30, 2010, 10:37 am - IP Logged

                  rdgrnr,

                  Good research!

                  joker17,

                  That would be nice but I doubt anyone running a Pick 3 is going to pay true odds or even better than true odds. On top of all the losers, the gambling operators consider the disparity between what is paid on a bet and the true odds against winning that bet "how they make money". True, Pass Line and Don't Pass odds on a crap game pay true odds, but you have to have a flat bet to take or lay the odds.

                  Stack47,

                  Excellent point about the taxes.

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Posted: October 30, 2010, 10:41 am - IP Logged

                    What I like to see as a pick 3 player at heart, is a national p-3 game. It will be pari-mutuel, so larger payouts will be more enticing. Instead of a fixed 500 dollar payout, a fair tier payout scale system can be formed to reward those who beat the system rewarding them to thousands instead of hundreds.

                    California is pari-mutuel state. I won 526 bucks on 026 five or so years ago. A national game would've theoretically netted me upwards of 2 grand or more....

                     

                     

                     

                    When Ohio began their Pick-4 game, it was pari-mutuel and a straight win averaged $12,000 and the box win averaged $500. A co-worker hit a $2 box and thought he won $1000, but so many other players had the same combo each $1 box ticket only paid $86. The other day I saw the number 6666 all day long so I decided to play it in the Pick-4 only to find it was sold out.

                    While their might be benefit to pari-mutuel payoffs when certain numbers are drawn, the playoffs could be quite a bit less than $500 on other numbers. Many states come close to or do sell out triples and quads every day. With pari-mutuel payoffs, there would be no limit on the number of tickets sold on any combo and payoffs on triples and quads would drop drastically.

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                      Posted: October 30, 2010, 11:18 am - IP Logged

                      Given the deplorable political situation in our country, it's doubtful, IMHO, that Congress could enact a federal lottery.

                      Every lottery state would oppose it because it would take $$$ away from local school kids.

                      The best chance of a 'national lottery' will come next year when the Powerball and Mega Millions folks introduce  the next
                      jackpot game. A Texas lottery official recently called it a "supreme' game, but gave no specific details.

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                        Posted: October 30, 2010, 4:18 pm - IP Logged

                        A search for "History of lotteries in america" turns up a lot of interesting information.

                        Here's one of many hits:

                        TThe History of Lottery in America

                        The History of Lottery in America

                        The lottery history in the United States goes back to the colonial times, when Virginia and other colonies were organizing lotteries to get funds for financing all kinds of public works. The lottery money built the roads and bridges, schools, churches and hospitals. Education was also helped a great deal by the lotteries. In 1746 the colony of New York ran a lottery with a purpose of raising few thousands pounds to found a college. Later, that college became Columbia University. Many other universities including Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth and others were financed in big part by the lotteries.

                        The lotteries also helped to raise funds to support military operations. Massachusetts and other colonies had to rely heavily on the lottery revenue to finance military actions against Canada during the French and Indian War. Guns, ammunition, uniforms and equipment were bought and produced by the lottery profits. For awhile the First Continental Congress was considering in 1776 an idea to use a lottery to come up with millions to finance American Revolution, but eventually the plan was rejected.

                        In the early 1800s the popularity of the lottery reached its peak. In 1830s 400 lotteries were running on a regular basis in the few Northern states. The popularity and the growth of the lotteries inevitably led to the endless abuses and fraud perpetrated by the lottery operators. The public and the states were duped out of millions. The strong reaction from the public forced the Congress to take the decisive action. The pivotal point in the US lottery history came in 1868 when the Congress produced the legislation prohibiting the use of mail for lottery promotion. After that the lotteries practically disappeared all over the country with the exception of the Louisiana Lottery, which stopped its operations in 1906.

                        Almost 60 years later the state of New Hampshire decided to revive the state lottery to raise necessary funds for the state’s education system. Soon after that New Jersey and New York followed New Hampshire into the new Lottery era. At the present time the whole country is consumed by the lottery fever once again and the lottery history in the United States continues into the future.

                        Copyright Progress Publishing Co.

                        Selected References:

                        George Sullivan  The History of Lotteries  Leo Markun  A History of Gambling
                        Jeffrey Feinman  The Prize Winner's Handbook Alice Fleming  Something for Nothing/A History of Gambling

                        Taken from the site:

                        http://www.crapsdicecontrol.com/lottery_history.htm

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                        So will things go full circle?

                        Who knows?

                        Historically, ever time previously America has had a gambling craze all gambling had been outlawed. Then came Vegas!

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

                          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                          Posted: October 30, 2010, 11:50 pm - IP Logged

                          A search for "History of lotteries in america" turns up a lot of interesting information.

                          Here's one of many hits:

                          TThe History of Lottery in America

                          The History of Lottery in America

                          The lottery history in the United States goes back to the colonial times, when Virginia and other colonies were organizing lotteries to get funds for financing all kinds of public works. The lottery money built the roads and bridges, schools, churches and hospitals. Education was also helped a great deal by the lotteries. In 1746 the colony of New York ran a lottery with a purpose of raising few thousands pounds to found a college. Later, that college became Columbia University. Many other universities including Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth and others were financed in big part by the lotteries.

                          The lotteries also helped to raise funds to support military operations. Massachusetts and other colonies had to rely heavily on the lottery revenue to finance military actions against Canada during the French and Indian War. Guns, ammunition, uniforms and equipment were bought and produced by the lottery profits. For awhile the First Continental Congress was considering in 1776 an idea to use a lottery to come up with millions to finance American Revolution, but eventually the plan was rejected.

                          In the early 1800s the popularity of the lottery reached its peak. In 1830s 400 lotteries were running on a regular basis in the few Northern states. The popularity and the growth of the lotteries inevitably led to the endless abuses and fraud perpetrated by the lottery operators. The public and the states were duped out of millions. The strong reaction from the public forced the Congress to take the decisive action. The pivotal point in the US lottery history came in 1868 when the Congress produced the legislation prohibiting the use of mail for lottery promotion. After that the lotteries practically disappeared all over the country with the exception of the Louisiana Lottery, which stopped its operations in 1906.

                          Almost 60 years later the state of New Hampshire decided to revive the state lottery to raise necessary funds for the state’s education system. Soon after that New Jersey and New York followed New Hampshire into the new Lottery era. At the present time the whole country is consumed by the lottery fever once again and the lottery history in the United States continues into the future.

                          Copyright Progress Publishing Co.

                          Selected References:

                          George Sullivan  The History of Lotteries  Leo Markun  A History of Gambling
                          Jeffrey Feinman  The Prize Winner's Handbook Alice Fleming  Something for Nothing/A History of Gambling

                          Taken from the site:

                          http://www.crapsdicecontrol.com/lottery_history.htm

                          _____________________________________________

                          So will things go full circle?

                          Who knows?

                          Historically, ever time previously America has had a gambling craze all gambling had been outlawed. Then came Vegas!

                          I don't think you'll ever see it outlawed again.

                          They've gotten us so far into debt they could never afford to lose the lottery income.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

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                            Posted: October 30, 2010, 11:59 pm - IP Logged

                            Our state lotteries are substantial and rewarding, depending upon which lottery is being played and the payout. However, do you forsee a national lottery in our lifetime -- 10 or 20 years from now? Who knows, a national lottery could generate billions of dollars (imagine someone winning a billion dollar lottery)?  The majority of us are impressed when a person wins 100 million dollars or more, of course, that's enough money to retire -- even after taxes.

                            Quite frankly, I don't think I'll live long enough to see no taxation on lottery winnings: maybe the next generation will be the recepient of that gift.

                            ... depends on how much a billion will buy when the time comes.

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                              Posted: October 31, 2010, 12:48 am - IP Logged

                              I don't think you'll ever see it outlawed again.

                              They've gotten us so far into debt they could never afford to lose the lottery income.

                              Yeah, I don't think so either, rdgrnr.

                              Especially in this electronic age.

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.