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Posted: January 14, 2011, 2:57 pm - IP Logged

I am able to put little more money into a wheel tonight for the Mega Million.  My dilemma is deciding which wheel to play ( I love wheels, I usually win something when I use them).

Should I play an abbreviated wheel 3if5of10 (2 tickets), and play that wheel about 10 times ($20 total), or should I try the abbreviated 2if5of56 ($46 total) and just do that wheel one time.  I don't care that one wheel is cheaper than the other, I'm willing to spend that much today since I have extra money.

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    I don't care that one wheel is cheaper than the other, I'm willing to spend that much today since I have extra money.

    It's usually only after the drawing and losing their extra money that players care about the amount they spend on lottery tickets.  Good luck.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Dawn32's avatar - DawnMarch2012
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      I don't care that one wheel is cheaper than the other, I'm willing to spend that much today since I have extra money.

      It's usually only after the drawing and losing their extra money that players care about the amount they spend on lottery tickets.  Good luck.

      True, but I've been playing it smart for a few years now, I know I can lose all of it, it's a risk either way.

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        Well, the first wheel you picked is literally set up like this...

        1-2-3-4-5

        6-7-8-9-10

         

        and the second doesn't even guarantee a prize.  I wouldn't suggest putting the same wheel down 10 times, unless you mean you are going to change the numbers.

         

        I personally like 2w4if5of7 or 4w4if5of7 wheels because they are cheap enough that you can play 3 or 4 of them.

         

        If you wanted a wheel with 10 numbers - I'd go for a 5w4if5 (51) or a couple of 10w3if5(17).

         

        I really like using wheels for Pick 5 games, where the odds of the game are lower overall.

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          Well, the first wheel you picked is literally set up like this...

          1-2-3-4-5

          6-7-8-9-10

           

          and the second doesn't even guarantee a prize.  I wouldn't suggest putting the same wheel down 10 times, unless you mean you are going to change the numbers.

           

          I personally like 2w4if5of7 or 4w4if5of7 wheels because they are cheap enough that you can play 3 or 4 of them.

           

          If you wanted a wheel with 10 numbers - I'd go for a 5w4if5 (51) or a couple of 10w3if5(17).

           

          I really like using wheels for Pick 5 games, where the odds of the game are lower overall.

          Yes, I would change the numbers for the wheel with 10 numbers.  I thought picking 10 groups of 10 numbers would yield a higher chance of winning but wasn't sure.

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            Posted: January 14, 2011, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

            With the 2if5of56 wheel with 46 lines, you're guaranteed a $2 win if you play all 46 MB and playing all 56 WB you'll have all 5 winning WB numbers some where in the mix which gives you 46 chances to match 5of5 or to win the jackpot.  More chances equal better odds but usually if I have a winner, it's in the first 20 lines.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: January 14, 2011, 5:29 pm - IP Logged

              Mega-Millions / Powerball wheels do not Work. The chance of you finding the right wheel are against you. You only will win the lower tier payoutS with these wheels never a JACKPOT. Just my 2 cents worth , I tried several  softwares never to win even on pick 3 or pick 4 . I developed my own system thru trial and error for all games . I've used several notebooks and pencils over the years . I tried Gail Howards Software didn't like it. Her books are the way to go ....If you want to play Mega-Million / Powerball wait till the games are over $100 Million.

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                Posted: January 14, 2011, 6:27 pm - IP Logged

                With the 2if5of56 wheel with 46 lines, you're guaranteed a $2 win if you play all 46 MB and playing all 56 WB you'll have all 5 winning WB numbers some where in the mix which gives you 46 chances to match 5of5 or to win the jackpot.  More chances equal better odds but usually if I have a winner, it's in the first 20 lines.

                I agree. The more horses you have in the race the better your chances. Having all 56 numbers in play plus all the megaballs assures you of winning no less than $2, and the possibility of trapping a three or 4 combination.

                Be mindful that matching 3 of 5 pays $7. Matching 2 of 56 pays $0 UNLESS you match the megaball on the same line. Then you win $8.

                To come out ahead you have to match 3 of 5 with the megaball or match 4 of 5, both pay $150.

                 

                Good Luck!

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                  Posted: January 14, 2011, 8:25 pm - IP Logged

                  If I had $43 to spend I would do an Abbrev 3 if 3 of 14 wheel which costs $43.  14 numbers is 25% of 56 numbers which is the minimum one should use when wheeling and it guarantees a 3 of 5 win.  But I've moved aways from wheels because the combos generated are not that good and don't match winning combos.  I focus on identifying good sets of numbers.  Once you have a good set of numbers you can create winning combos easy enough without the high cost of wheeling.

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                    Wheels reduce odds fact

                    I have created a system that well out preforms even the best wheels

                    Take this Mega Millions wheel

                    Hit 3 if 3 from 5 takes 12 tickets

                     01  02  03  04  07
                     01  02  04  05  06
                     01  02  04  08  09
                     01  02  05  07  08
                     01  03  04  06  08
                     01  03  05  07  09
                     01  06  07  08  09
                     02  03  05  08  09
                     02  03  06  07  08
                     02  04  06  07  09
                     03  04  05  06  09
                     04  05  06  07  08

                    3 Ball combos covered in 9 balls = 84 / 84 combos: 100.00%
                    4 Ball combos covered in 9 balls = 60 / 126 combos: 47.62%
                    5 Ball combos covered in 9 balls = 12 / 126 combos: 9.52%
                    Ways to win = 156 of 336 winning combinations in 9 numbers

                    Now arrange the numbers on the ticket so no winning combination repeats

                     01  02  03  04  06
                     01  02  05  07  08
                     01  02  09  10  11
                     01  03  05  09  12
                     01  04  07  10  12
                     01  06  08  11  12
                     02  03  07  11  12
                     02  04  08  09  12
                     02  05  06  10  12
                     03  04  05  08  10
                     03  06  07  08  09
                     04  05  06  07  11

                    3 Ball Hits = 120 of 120 possible from 12 tickets: 100.00%
                    4 Ball Hits = 60 of 60 possible from 12 tickets: 100.00%
                    5 Ball Hits = 12 of 12 possible from 12 tickets: 100.00%
                    Ways to win = 192 of 192 possible from 12 tickets: 100%

                    So what would you choose..

                    12 tickets 156 ways from a reduced wheel or

                    12 tickets 192 ways giving 26 more chances of a win for the same price.

                    Wheels reduce odds of hitting prizes fact...

                     

                    Again here is another example of how bad wheels really are

                    if we take a wheel where you hit 3 if 3 and choose 15 numbers

                    Using the MNA system (MNA = Maximized Number Arrangment)

                    Wheel Ways to win = 813 MNA system Ways to win = 960

                      3 Ball Hits = 455 of 600 possible in 60 tickets: 75.83%
                      4 Ball Hits = 298 of 300 possible in 60 tickets: 99.33%
                      5 Ball Hits = 60 of 60 possible in 60 tickets: 100.00%
                      Ways to win = 813 of 960 possible in 60 tickets: 85%

                    01  02  03  10  12
                     01  02  04  05  15
                     01  02  05  07  08
                     01  02  06  09  13
                     01  02  09  11  14
                     01  03  04  10  13
                     01  03  05  06  14
                     01  03  05  10  11
                     01  03  07  08  15
                     01  03  07  11  13
                     01  03  08  09  10
                     01  04  05  09  12
                     01  04  06  08  11
                     01  04  07  09  15
                     01  04  07  10  14
                     01  05  10  13  15
                     01  06  07  08  12
                     01  06  09  10  15
                     01  08  12  13  14
                     01  11  12  14  15
                     02  03  04  08  09
                     02  03  04  13  14
                     02  03  05  11  15
                     02  03  06  07  10
                     02  04  05  06  10
                     02  04  07  11  12
                     02  05  07  13  14
                     02  05  09  12  15
                     02  06  08  14  15
                     02  06  10  11  12
                     02  07  09  10  15
                     02  07  10  12  14
                     02  08  10  12  13
                     02  08  11  13  15
                     03  04  05  07  12
                     03  04  06  11  15
                     03  05  08  09  13
                     03  05  08  12  14
                     03  06  08  09  15
                     03  06  12  13  15
                     03  07  08  09  14
                     03  08  09  11  12
                     03  10  11  14  15
                     04  05  08  11  14
                     04  05  13  14  15
                     04  06  07  08  13
                     04  06  09  12  14
                     04  06  12  13  15
                     04  08  10  12  15
                     04  09  10  11  13
                     04  09  11  13  14
                     05  06  07  08  15
                     05  06  07  09  11
                     05  06  11  12  13
                     05  07  08  10  11
                     05  09  10  12  14
                     06  07  10  13  14
                     06  08  10  11  14
                     07  09  11  14  15
                     07  09  12  13  15

                      3 Ball Hits = 600 of 600 possible in 60 tickets: 100.00%
                      4 Ball Hits = 300 of 300 possible in 60 tickets: 100.00%
                      5 Ball Hits = 60 of 60 possible in 60 tickets: 100.00%
                      Ways to win = 960 of 960 possible in 60 tickets: 100%

                     01  02  03  05  06
                     01  04  06  07  08
                     01  08  09  10  11
                     01  11  12  13  14
                     01  14  15  16  17
                     01  17  18  19  20
                     01  20  21  22  23
                     01  23  24  25  26
                     01  26  27  28  29
                     01  29  30  31  32
                     02  04  08  11  12
                     02  06  09  12  13
                     02  07  10  13  14
                     02  14  17  20  21
                     02  15  18  21  22
                     02  16  19  22  23
                     02  23  26  29  30
                     02  24  27  30  31
                     02  25  28  31  32
                     03  04  09  13  14
                     03  06  08  14  15
                     03  07  11  15  16
                     03  10  12  16  17
                     03  17  21  23  24
                     03  18  20  24  25
                     03  19  25  26  27
                     03  22  27  29  30
                     04  05  10  14  15
                     04  12  15  17  18
                     04  16  18  23  24
                     04  19  20  27  28
                     04  21  24  26  27
                     04  22  25  30  31
                     05  06  11  16  17
                     05  07  08  12  13
                     05  09  15  19  20
                     05  13  17  22  23
                     05  18  25  27  28
                     05  20  23  28  29
                     06  10  15  20  21
                     06  13  18  26  27
                     06  17  24  28  29
                     06  19  21  29  30
                     06  22  23  31  32
                     07  09  14  18  19
                     07  16  17  25  26
                     07  19  23  30  31
                     07  20  26  31  32
                     08  13  15  23  24
                     08  16  20  29  30
                     08  17  26  30  31
                     08  18  22  28  29
                     08  19  24  31  32
                     09  11  17  27  28
                     09  16  21  28  29
                     10  11  18  29  30
                     10  21  27  31  32
                     11  14  19  28  29
                     12  14  21  25  26
                     13  14  24  29  30

                     

                     

                    What can I say the Lottery Statistic Anaylser beat the wheel here by 147 ways to win with the same number of tickets.

                    It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

                    There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                      I am able to put little more money into a wheel tonight for the Mega Million.  My dilemma is deciding which wheel to play ( I love wheels, I usually win something when I use them).

                      Should I play an abbreviated wheel 3if5of10 (2 tickets), and play that wheel about 10 times ($20 total), or should I try the abbreviated 2if5of56 ($46 total) and just do that wheel one time.  I don't care that one wheel is cheaper than the other, I'm willing to spend that much today since I have extra money.

                      The 3if5 wheel reminds me of the time I played a 13 combo 3if5of15 number wheel and matched all 5 numbers in Rolling Cash 5. I was "positive" I had a least a 4 number match, but was really hoping to hit the jackpot. When I looked at my tickets, I only had a 3 number match and ended up losing $3.

                      I've compared all the abbreviated 12 number wheels using the results from Maddog's Challenges and the 3if4 wheel usually has the best result because it balanced. Had SavageGoose played his PB Challenge predictions using the 12 combo 3if4 wheel when they matched 4+1 the other day, they had the 4 number match on the second line and 3 number matches on lines 1 and 3.

                      1. 09-10-11-22-23
                      2. 09-10-13-22-23
                      3. 09-10-22-23-25
                      4. 09-10-22-23-31
                      5. 09-12-24-26-27
                      6. 10-12-24-26-27
                      7. 11-12-13-25-31
                      8. 11-13-24-25-31
                      9. 11-13-25-26-31
                      10. 11-13-25-27-31
                      11. 12-22-24-26-27
                      12. 12-23-24-26-27

                      Don't know how they would have used the bonus numbers but had good chance of matching 3+1. At the very least they had one 4 number match, two 3s and three bonus number matches. Not a bad payoff for a $12 bet!

                       

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                        The 3if5 wheel reminds me of the time I played a 13 combo 3if5of15 number wheel and matched all 5 numbers in Rolling Cash 5. I was "positive" I had a least a 4 number match, but was really hoping to hit the jackpot. When I looked at my tickets, I only had a 3 number match and ended up losing $3.

                        I've compared all the abbreviated 12 number wheels using the results from Maddog's Challenges and the 3if4 wheel usually has the best result because it balanced. Had SavageGoose played his PB Challenge predictions using the 12 combo 3if4 wheel when they matched 4+1 the other day, they had the 4 number match on the second line and 3 number matches on lines 1 and 3.

                        1. 09-10-11-22-23
                        2. 09-10-13-22-23
                        3. 09-10-22-23-25
                        4. 09-10-22-23-31
                        5. 09-12-24-26-27
                        6. 10-12-24-26-27
                        7. 11-12-13-25-31
                        8. 11-13-24-25-31
                        9. 11-13-25-26-31
                        10. 11-13-25-27-31
                        11. 12-22-24-26-27
                        12. 12-23-24-26-27

                        Don't know how they would have used the bonus numbers but had good chance of matching 3+1. At the very least they had one 4 number match, two 3s and three bonus number matches. Not a bad payoff for a $12 bet!

                         

                        Yeah, in real life, even having all the correct numbers doesn't necessarily put them on the same line -- while on the PB/MM challenges, it does.

                        That boosts the challenge's performance.

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                          Yeah, in real life, even having all the correct numbers doesn't necessarily put them on the same line -- while on the PB/MM challenges, it does.

                          That boosts the challenge's performance.

                          I know what you mean; Guru also matched 4 numbers and putting their numbers into the wheel using the same numerical order, the best Guru could do was a 3 match. But the good news is, Guru didn't play that wheel and won $150 on a $5 bet!