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Posted: February 7, 2011, 9:38 pm - IP Logged

Well the lottery losses just keep adding up for me. I dont know if im the unluckiest frequent player ever or im just not meant to win. I have played every game left and right sometimes rolls at a time and the most ive come away with over a 4 month scratch off spree is $200 bucks. Just when I feel comfortable playing the first few tickets on a roll they have all been losing  all of a sudden. Its hard to come up with a strategy when 15 tickets in a row lose. I was doing well a few days ago just when I had a win streak going I lose $700 just like that. I feel like i deserve at least $500 here and there but no it never happens. 

Who has been at this point and what would you do ?

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    Hi, James - I know it's hard, but if you can't afford the losses, it's best to stop and start fresh, or cut back at least. Sometimes I make the biggest profits with a few tickets at a time. Those consecutive losing ticket streaks in FL seem even worse than PA ones right now - another reason to cut back or stop for a bit.

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      On one of the lottery shows there was a lady who won 2 million dollar scratch tickets on 2 separate occasions at the same store. Her 'strategy' was to play one ticket a day.

      My wife and I liked that idea...instead of chasing after a winning ticket and ending up losing most of our money, the one-a-day idea takes that emotion out of it. I'm not saying this will net a million dollar ticket, but it's a more disciplined way to play. If we win something, great, we've covered some losses and get to play another day. If we lose, it was only a $10 loss and a free entry into a second hand drawing.

      No, it's not necessarily a 'winning' strategy and I don't expect to win like she did, but it sure cuts down buying all those tickets trying to chase after a winner.  One ticket a day. That's all.

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        Well the lottery losses just keep adding up for me. I dont know if im the unluckiest frequent player ever or im just not meant to win. I have played every game left and right sometimes rolls at a time and the most ive come away with over a 4 month scratch off spree is $200 bucks. Just when I feel comfortable playing the first few tickets on a roll they have all been losing  all of a sudden. Its hard to come up with a strategy when 15 tickets in a row lose. I was doing well a few days ago just when I had a win streak going I lose $700 just like that. I feel like i deserve at least $500 here and there but no it never happens. 

        Who has been at this point and what would you do ?

        don't be to down on yourself they print 5 to 20 million tickets for each scratch off game. You should purchase your scratch tickets at the stores with the high volume sales they are the stores most likely to sell the big winners.

        Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

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          don't be to down on yourself they print 5 to 20 million tickets for each scratch off game. You should purchase your scratch tickets at the stores with the high volume sales they are the stores most likely to sell the big winners.

          The main store I purchase from sells at least 2 books of each scratcher per day. This past month there have been a $10K winner, $1K winner and 3 $500 winners. 

          I do hit $100 a lot but obviously that is not enough for me. The money goes straight back to new tickets. 

          Whats funny ive been the type to always find money on the ground. Last year alone I found 6 different $100 dollar bills and numerous smaller bills. So I know I have some luck but when I try my luck at gambling its only mediocre. One of my life goals is to win $10K or more on a scratcher. If / when I do is when I will cut back drastically on playing.

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            On one of the lottery shows there was a lady who won 2 million dollar scratch tickets on 2 separate occasions at the same store. Her 'strategy' was to play one ticket a day.

            My wife and I liked that idea...instead of chasing after a winning ticket and ending up losing most of our money, the one-a-day idea takes that emotion out of it. I'm not saying this will net a million dollar ticket, but it's a more disciplined way to play. If we win something, great, we've covered some losses and get to play another day. If we lose, it was only a $10 loss and a free entry into a second hand drawing.

            No, it's not necessarily a 'winning' strategy and I don't expect to win like she did, but it sure cuts down buying all those tickets trying to chase after a winner.  One ticket a day. That's all.

            People are known to say stuff like that after they have won a jackpot. Like in Powerball "I picked the numbers myself" or with scratchers "A voice in my head told me to buy that scratcher" and it happened that it won. The truth is you look at the winners gallery 99% of those people have addict scratcher written all over them. The casual buy-1-ticket-and-win players are very few and far apart.

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              People are known to say stuff like that after they have won a jackpot. Like in Powerball "I picked the numbers myself" or with scratchers "A voice in my head told me to buy that scratcher" and it happened that it won. The truth is you look at the winners gallery 99% of those people have addict scratcher written all over them. The casual buy-1-ticket-and-win players are very few and far apart.

              You asked 'who has been at this point and what would you do' and I answered what I would do because I was at that point. My post was not so much about her winning, but rather about the idea of buying a ticket a day. We cut our losses and all that lost money on losing tickets by going to just buying 'one-a-day'.

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                im playing one a day im not under yet i spree every couple days tho, not more then i can afford

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                  I look at Scratchers realistically. They are not designed for you to make a profit, on the contrary, they are designed for you to lose money in the long run. But they do have much better payback overall than the regular draw/jackpot lottery games. We're all just trying to keep playing until we hit some big wins to get out ahead of the odds.

                  Look at it this way: All state lotteries are only designed to give the public back only about 50% of what it gambles. If you are playing a long time are are getting back 50%, that's pretty good! If you are like me, who is probably worse off than you are, you are still sitting at the bottom end of Scratcher payback odds, which is only getting back about 25% of what you spent. In FL you have some bigger tickets with better odds of getting back at least 33% of what you spent. Still, all of that is much worse the casino gambling which over the long run can give you back 80-90%. So the only way to break out of the Scratcher odds cycle is to hit some big medium sized wins or the 2nd or top prize.

                  Like some others, I limit how much I spend in a store a day and just keep playing with the realistic expectation of losses but with the hopes of hitting a large prize one day. In CA that means if I drop $20 a day and the largest tickets we have is $5 then I can buy 4, with the knowledge that out of those 4, only 1 will be a winner. But that's better then the draw/jackpot lottery games where you only get back $1 for every $10, $20 or $40 you shell out.

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                    Well the lottery losses just keep adding up for me. I dont know if im the unluckiest frequent player ever or im just not meant to win. I have played every game left and right sometimes rolls at a time and the most ive come away with over a 4 month scratch off spree is $200 bucks. Just when I feel comfortable playing the first few tickets on a roll they have all been losing  all of a sudden. Its hard to come up with a strategy when 15 tickets in a row lose. I was doing well a few days ago just when I had a win streak going I lose $700 just like that. I feel like i deserve at least $500 here and there but no it never happens. 

                    Who has been at this point and what would you do ?

                    Hi James

                     

                    Ive been following alot of your posts over the last few weeks, as you and I seem to comment on alot of the scratch threads.

                     

                    One thing I would suggest is not playing 10-15 at a time. I personally only buy 1 $20 scratcher at a time (per game) and if it looses, sometimes I will go back into the store and buy the next in line. I may buy 2-3 at a time but for different games.

                    For example:

                    1 BDB

                    1  $200K Year for LIfe

                    1 $3 Million Dollar Monopoly

                     

                    Ive been playing for quite some time and rarely even buy 2-3 in a row. With my expriences in scratch off (especially in FL) I think its better to just spread your money out over different stores. If you know your going to spend a few hundred that day, then buy 2-3 games from several different stores.

                     

                    The thing is, there are many players that use your strategy, especially at bigger stores. Who's to say the guy before you didn't chase a win and won $500  before you got there?

                    Buying 1-3 max per game (in a row) seems to do the trick. I set my limit at 3 max and if I get NO winners, then move onto another store.

                     

                    There has been so many times in the past where I kept saying to myself  "dayum Ive bought 4 in a row now, the 5th has to be a winner"...and then it will eventually add up to 5,6,7,8, 9, 10 etc etc...Then finally when you win $100 you end up in the hole $100 because youv'e bought 10 of them.

                     

                    To make a long story short, try getting 1-2 at a time per game and move to the next store.

                     

                    I also tend to stick to 1-2 games at a time. As of now Im playing the $20 -  200K Lucky for life mainly because it is due a winner (last $1 Mill winner 3/16/2010, last $4 Mill winner: 8/06/2010) ..

                    Im not playing BDB (b/c there was a winner 1/24/11), Gold Rush (there is only 2 top prize winners left), Florida Milionaires club (there has already been 2 - $1 Million dollar winners this past month).....

                    Good luck to you!

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                      People are known to say stuff like that after they have won a jackpot. Like in Powerball "I picked the numbers myself" or with scratchers "A voice in my head told me to buy that scratcher" and it happened that it won. The truth is you look at the winners gallery 99% of those people have addict scratcher written all over them. The casual buy-1-ticket-and-win players are very few and far apart.

                      James I wish a voice in my head would tell me which ticket to buy and that it would be a million dollar choice.

                      I'll tell you what you need to do..just buy 2 - 4 and stop. I don't mean for the day, I mean at that machine or counter. Don't buy up to the winner.

                      I think what's happening is you're stuck on bad packs or stuck with the idea the winner is there somewhere....the problem is: you do not know

                      who was there before you and whether they won $1,000 or $20 or $500. You also cannot tell at what point in the pack the winner is hiding.

                      When I say the winner, it might only be $100. It is nice to win $100 but when you actually want the thousand, and who doesn't, but also are

                      determined to find it, then that's where all your money is going to go - chasing the bigger win.

                      10 tickets @ $20 is $200 - realistically, that's not a whole lot of tickets out of a pack - it's 1/3...there's another 2/3 remaining.

                      Frustration is probably driving you. I think you've lost the thrill of the game. It is fun to play but only to a point where it remains fun and to a

                      point where you are satisfied with what you win.

                      You are asking for a strategy, the first is to really work on how you look at a game where most people are losers or are only winning $5 - $20.

                      These games are not set up to make a bunch of happy winners, there's a lot of miserable losers too. I've had my share of complaints about

                      tickets but I still like to play. I've said before I'm going to find that $1Mill but I don't need it to be today..or next week either. In my lifetime

                      would be fine and the sooner the better but when it happens, it happens.

                      There are so many tickets and so few prizes. Think of all the retailers in a 10 mile radius..then think of your whole state. How many places

                      do you think are selling tickets? Tons. If you have a ticket that's offering 3 $1MILL prizes, that's 3 out of millions of tickets across the state.

                      Where is it? In the pack of 30 you're working on? Probably not.

                      I think the next strategy you have to work on is walking away. I guess we've all been guilty at times of spending more than we wanted to

                      on instants whether it's $1 or $10 tickets but when you're making that a habit your mindset changes from oh, let me try a few of those to,

                      sob, where's that winner! That can run into hundreds of dollars, I think I've seen posts where you have plunked down hundreds of dollars

                      and maybe thousands...Confused

                      I think the biggest, best strategy for you is to slow down, big time. Tell that voice in your head to shut up after you buy a couple tickets and

                      they lose...then LEAVE and don't go back...there, anyway. Don't chase instant winners in one pack, they just aren't always waiting for you. I

                      don't think there is a guaranteed winning strategy to instants...winning rests on the player and how they think. If one winning strategy just

                      means not losing $1,000 in a day by walking away, that sounds like a winner to me.

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                        I look at Scratchers realistically. They are not designed for you to make a profit, on the contrary, they are designed for you to lose money in the long run. But they do have much better payback overall than the regular draw/jackpot lottery games. We're all just trying to keep playing until we hit some big wins to get out ahead of the odds.

                        Look at it this way: All state lotteries are only designed to give the public back only about 50% of what it gambles. If you are playing a long time are are getting back 50%, that's pretty good! If you are like me, who is probably worse off than you are, you are still sitting at the bottom end of Scratcher payback odds, which is only getting back about 25% of what you spent. In FL you have some bigger tickets with better odds of getting back at least 33% of what you spent. Still, all of that is much worse the casino gambling which over the long run can give you back 80-90%. So the only way to break out of the Scratcher odds cycle is to hit some big medium sized wins or the 2nd or top prize.

                        Like some others, I limit how much I spend in a store a day and just keep playing with the realistic expectation of losses but with the hopes of hitting a large prize one day. In CA that means if I drop $20 a day and the largest tickets we have is $5 then I can buy 4, with the knowledge that out of those 4, only 1 will be a winner. But that's better then the draw/jackpot lottery games where you only get back $1 for every $10, $20 or $40 you shell out.

                        Exactly! You and dr made great points. I know how addictive these games are, believe me. But I try to keep the fun in playing. It sounds like James has lost the fun involved. I usually buy only up to 2 of each game unless they are $2 tickets - and I only play more than 5 of those if I want to build up. When games are brand new, I'll buy more in a row sometimes.

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                          Wow great info here guys ! Some eye-opening stuff.

                          From now on I will cut back on chasing winners. I will also cut back on anything under $10 as I find my loose bills going towards these scratchers with horrible odds. Gonna also cut back on the games I truely hate - FMC, $200 Million Spectacular, LFL $200K. I figured if I hate playing them then why waste money on them ? 

                          I love $3 Million Monopoly for example. And its good motivation to find the symbols in that game. Cash Bonanza is another favorite although its days are numbered with only 1 top prize remaining. If I would of only stuck to these 2 scratchers and BDB I would be UP at least $1K right now. Its the games I hate and repetetive buying that has put me in the hole. If there are 15 losers in a row that has gotta be a sign the whole roll is cold or even multiple rolls of that game in that store are cold.

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                            Try getting an image in your head BEFORE going into a store or even getting to a store -- maybe as you sleep or before you leave the house. Picture a certain game, or a certain *color* of a game, maybe a certain store that may stick out in your mind and try that place.

                            This has been fun for me and has actually given me winners before on several occasions. Nothing major yet, but better than losing every time.

                            Maybe its forced preminition, maybe its a gut feeling, either way its all luck and so far hasnt been too bad.

                            But again I am very conservative with tickets so I dont do this a whole lot.

                            As an example just this morning I was in Publix and on a WHIM on the way out I bought a scratcher and it was a loser. Seems like when I buy them on a whim instead of planning it I lose.

                            Good luck James, I really hope you find a fat winning ticket soon!

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                              Try getting an image in your head BEFORE going into a store or even getting to a store -- maybe as you sleep or before you leave the house. Picture a certain game, or a certain *color* of a game, maybe a certain store that may stick out in your mind and try that place.

                              This has been fun for me and has actually given me winners before on several occasions. Nothing major yet, but better than losing every time.

                              Maybe its forced preminition, maybe its a gut feeling, either way its all luck and so far hasnt been too bad.

                              But again I am very conservative with tickets so I dont do this a whole lot.

                              As an example just this morning I was in Publix and on a WHIM on the way out I bought a scratcher and it was a loser. Seems like when I buy them on a whim instead of planning it I lose.

                              Good luck James, I really hope you find a fat winning ticket soon!

                              So funny you mention this because this is how I buy my tickets 90% of the time...Ive said it before and ill say it again now. 90% of the time before I enter a store I already know which ones I plan on buying.

                               

                              I think planning ahead really helps. Things may change a bit if you ask the clerk about any recent winners, and the clerk says "yea there was a $500 winner on Gold Rush 30 minutes ago"...Then I would stay away from that Gold Rush book if thats the game I had planned on buying.

                               

                              Good advice