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# Determinism vs Randomness and Chance

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Anyone, everyone

I posted a system that uses / wheels digits to build my lines to play.  Over the years I have worked

out several methods of selecting digits that allows me to win more then I play.  For the record, I win

between \$500.00 to \$1000.00 per year more then I spend.  I play between 25 and 35 times a year

and play between 8 and 15 lines.  I normally hit three or four 4 of 5's each year but have hit three in

one day.  I win many 3 of 5's which pays \$10.00 and 2 of 5's which pays \$1.00.   I have never claimed

to be rich or make a living playing the lottery.  My methods require me to wait sometimes for weeks

between plays waiting for the correct time to play.  If I wanted to play more agressive then I could

probably win more but I could also lose more.  I wish I could win any time that I chose to play but that

is not the case.  Jimmy wants me to show the exact method I use and It's not that simple.  There is

no one bit of data but may different things that show that the RNG is about to come home to papa so

to speak.   Below is a list from last nights drawing that shows all the possible 4 of 5's for that drawing

and the digits needed to produce them.   This data -> 3230001000 shows the times each digit hit per

set.   The first digit 3 in the line is the number of times digit 1 was in the set. The next digit 2 is the

times digit 2 is in the set and so on.   You can see from the list that I have many different ways I could

have set my wheel using many different digit combinations and still hit a 4of5.  Some of these will produce

less then 10 total lines using no filters.

Example for first line

01-13-17-22-33  3230001000  1237 <- digits needed for a 4  of 5

digit 1 hit three

digit 2 hit two

digit 3 hit three

digits 4-5-6 no shows

digit 7 hit one

digits 8-9-0 no shows

numbers______1234567890__digits needed

01 13 17 22 33   3230001000   1237
01 13 17 22 34   3221001000   12347
01 13 17 33 34   3041001000   1347
01 13 22 33 34   2241000000   1234
01 17 22 33 34   2231001000   12347
02 13 17 22 33   2330001000   1237
02 13 17 22 34   2321001000   12347
02 13 17 33 34   2141001000   12347
02 13 22 33 34   1341000000   1234
02 17 22 33 34   1331001000   12347
03 13 17 22 33   2240001000   1237
03 13 17 22 34   2231001000   12347
03 13 17 33 34   2051001000   1347
03 13 22 33 34   1251000000   1234
03 17 22 33 34   1241001000   12347
04 13 17 22 33   2231001000   12347
04 13 17 22 34   2222001000   12347
04 13 17 33 34   2042001000   1347
04 13 22 33 34   1242000000   1234
04 17 22 33 34   1232001000   12347
05 13 17 22 33   2230101000   12357
05 13 17 22 34   2221101000   123457
05 13 17 33 34   2041101000   13457
05 13 22 33 34   1241100000   12345
05 17 22 33 34   1231101000   123457
06 13 17 22 33   2230011000   12367
06 13 17 22 34   2221011000   123467
06 13 17 33 34   2041011000   13467
06 13 22 33 34   1241010000   12346
06 17 22 33 34   1231011000   123467
07 13 17 22 33   2230002000   1237
07 13 17 22 34   2221002000   12347
07 13 17 33 34   2041002000   1347
07 13 22 33 34   1241001000   12347
07 17 22 33 34   1231002000   12347
08 13 17 22 33   2230001100   12378
08 13 17 22 34   2221001100   123478
08 13 17 33 34   2041001100   13478
08 13 22 33 34   1241000100   12348
08 17 22 33 34   1231001100   123478
09 13 17 22 33   2230001010   12379
09 13 17 22 34   2221001010   123479
09 13 17 33 34   2041001010   13479
09 13 22 33 34   1241000010   12349
09 17 22 33 34   1231001010   123479
10 13 17 22 33   3230001001   12370
10 13 17 22 34   3221001001   123470
10 13 17 33 34   3041001001   13470
10 13 22 33 34   2241000001   12340
10 17 22 33 34   2231001001   123470
11 13 17 22 33   4230001000   1237
11 13 17 22 34   4221001000   12347
11 13 17 33 34   4041001000   1347
11 13 22 33 34   3241000000   1234
11 17 22 33 34   3231001000   12347
12 13 17 22 33   3330001000   1237
12 13 17 22 34   3321001000   12347
12 13 17 33 34   3141001000   12347
12 13 22 33 34   2341000000   1234
12 17 22 33 34   2331001000   12347
13 14 17 22 33   3231001000   12347
13 14 17 22 34   3222001000   12347
13 14 17 33 34   3042001000   1347
13 14 22 33 34   2242000000   1234
13 15 17 22 33   3230101000   12357
13 15 17 22 34   3221101000   123457
13 15 17 33 34   3041101000   13457
13 15 22 33 34   2241100000   12345
13 16 17 22 33   3230011000   12367
13 16 17 22 34   3221011000   123467
13 16 17 33 34   3041011000   13467
13 16 22 33 34   2241010000   12346
13 17 18 22 33   3230001100   12378
13 17 18 22 34   3221001100   123478
13 17 18 33 34   3041001100   13478
13 17 19 22 33   3230001010   12379
13 17 19 22 34   3221001010   123479
13 17 19 33 34   3041001010   13479
13 17 20 22 33   2330001001   12370
13 17 20 22 34   2321001001   123470
13 17 20 33 34   2141001001   123470
13 17 21 22 33   3330001000   1237
13 17 21 22 34   3321001000   12347
13 17 21 33 34   3141001000   12347
13 17 22 23 33   2340001000   1237
13 17 22 23 34   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 24 33   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 24 34   2322001000   12347
13 17 22 25 33   2330101000   12357
13 17 22 25 34   2321101000   123457
13 17 22 26 33   2330011000   12367
13 17 22 26 34   2321011000   123467
13 17 22 27 33   2330002000   1237
13 17 22 27 34   2321002000   12347
13 17 22 28 33   2330001100   12378
13 17 22 28 34   2321001100   123478
13 17 22 29 33   2330001010   12379
13 17 22 29 34   2321001010   123479
13 17 22 30 33   2240001001   12370
13 17 22 30 34   2231001001   123470
13 17 22 31 33   3240001000   1237
13 17 22 31 34   3231001000   12347
13 17 22 32 33   2340001000   1237
13 17 22 32 34   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 33 34   2241001000   12347 5 OF 5
13 17 22 33 35   2240101000   12357
13 17 22 33 36   2240011000   12367
13 17 22 33 37   2240002000   1237
13 17 22 33 38   2240001100   12378
13 17 22 33 39   2240001010   12379
13 17 22 34 35   2231101000   123457
13 17 22 34 36   2231011000   123467
13 17 22 34 37   2231002000   12347
13 17 22 34 38   2231001100   123478
13 17 22 34 39   2231001010   123479
13 17 23 33 34   2151001000   12347
13 17 24 33 34   2142001000   12347
13 17 25 33 34   2141101000   123457
13 17 26 33 34   2141011000   123467
13 17 27 33 34   2141002000   12347
13 17 28 33 34   2141001100   123478
13 17 29 33 34   2141001010   123479
13 17 30 33 34   2051001001   13470
13 17 31 33 34   3051001000   1347
13 17 32 33 34   2151001000   12347
13 17 33 34 35   2051101000   13457
13 17 33 34 36   2051011000   13467
13 17 33 34 37   2051002000   1347
13 17 33 34 38   2051001100   13478
13 17 33 34 39   2051001010   13479
13 18 22 33 34   2241000100   12348
13 19 22 33 34   2241000010   12349
13 20 22 33 34   1341000001   12340
13 21 22 33 34   2341000000   1234
13 22 23 33 34   1351000000   1234
13 22 24 33 34   1342000000   1234
13 22 25 33 34   1341100000   12345
13 22 26 33 34   1341010000   12346
13 22 27 33 34   1341001000   12347
13 22 28 33 34   1341000100   12348
13 22 29 33 34   1341000010   12349
13 22 30 33 34   1251000001   12340
13 22 31 33 34   2251000000   1234
13 22 32 33 34   1351000000   1234
13 22 33 34 35   1251100000   12345
13 22 33 34 36   1251010000   12346
13 22 33 34 37   1251001000   12347
13 22 33 34 38   1251000100   12348
13 22 33 34 39   1251000010   12349
14 17 22 33 34   2232001000   12347
15 17 22 33 34   2231101000   123457
16 17 22 33 34   2231011000   123467
17 18 22 33 34   2231001100   123478
17 19 22 33 34   2231001010   123479
17 20 22 33 34   1331001001   123470
17 21 22 33 34   2331001000   12347
17 22 23 33 34   1341001000   12347
17 22 24 33 34   1332001000   12347
17 22 25 33 34   1331101000   123457
17 22 26 33 34   1331011000   123467
17 22 27 33 34   1331002000   12347
17 22 28 33 34   1331001100   123478
17 22 29 33 34   1331001010   123479
17 22 30 33 34   1241001001   123470
17 22 31 33 34   2241001000   12347
17 22 32 33 34   1341001000   12347
17 22 33 34 35   1241101000   123457
17 22 33 34 36   1241011000   123467
17 22 33 34 37   1241002000   12347
17 22 33 34 38   1241001100   123478
17 22 33 34 39   1241001010   123479

This is the digit system, My software allows me to click on the digits I want to wheel and click run. Notice

how many of these sets have digits 1-2-3 and many have 1-2-3-4 which would produced a 4 of 5. Some

of these will produce more then one.

RL

Hind site is wonderful isn't it?

Works every time, like magic!

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So much for honoring agreements.  You apparently have decided to continue

dropping off your unrelated garbage in a Topic which I initiated.

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Hind site is wonderful isn't it?

Works every time, like magic!

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So much for honoring agreements.  You apparently have decided to continue

dropping off your unrelated garbage in a Topic which I initiated.

P.S.  To learn how the system above may have been arrived at:

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Very impressive RL. Any time you wish to share your ideas is fine with me. Please don't let some person dictate what you want to do. And please don't some person discourage you.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR \$2)

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Very impressive RL. Any time you wish to share your ideas is fine with me. Please don't let some person dictate what you want to do. And please don't some person discourage you.

rcbbuckeye

Don't be fooled into thinking this is easy, it's not.  For my 5-39 game digits 1-2-3 all show togeather around

70% of the time.

#1.  Try to Time plays to days when digits 1-2-3 hit, I think most can understand the first step.

#2.  73% of drawings for my pick 5 game contain 5 or 6 digits. I will choose 5 or 6 to play based

on digit shows/ totals compared to the expected calculated from entire matrix.

#3. If I chooes to play 5 digits and select digits 1-2-3 first then I only need 2 more digits selections

#4. If I choose to play 6 digits and select digits 1-2-3 first then I only need 3 more digit selections

#5. Digits = 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0

#6. I select 1-2-3 first and then must choose 2 or 3 of the remaining seven.  4-5-6-7-8-9-0

#7. selecting 2 of 7 gives odds of 1 in 21 for picking both correct.

#8. selecting 3 of 7 gives odds of 1 in 35 for picking three correct.

#9. Since I track digits in my database it makes for a good source of information.  I look at many

things to help me make my final 2 or 3 digit selections from the remaining seven.

a. What is the percent of digits repeat on average

b. What is the percent of digits change on average

d. I calculate these values from both the history and the matrix and then make a simple count

using different data sizes from my database to help me decide how well the draws are doing

when compaired to the expected selection from the matrix.

#10. Since I have the advantage of missing or selecting a incorrect digit and still hiting lower

prizes I don't need to be 100% correct in my choice.

#11. I then choose how many of each of the base digits I want to include in each set using steps

from above.

#12. I then select the approaite values and click run.

#13. If I get too many sets to play I may apply a few filters to reduce but if I have to use many filters

to reduce then I don't play.

List of tools I have built over the years that I use to help evaluate or help select digits

Bayesian predictors

Nerual networks

AI

Machine learning / pattern recognition

Pattern recoginiton

Bias search / recognition

The matrix Bible, A complete breakdown of all filters, digits and  group values for my game.

I best like to play when all the data points to single high digit hits meaning that any of the digits

4-5-6-7-8-9-0 that show will occur only once per set.

I also like to play when the base digits 1-2-3 are shown to have a good chance of contributing to

2 of the five numbers drawn. example 21-33,  01-32 ect.  Three base digits number sets are also highly

prized.

Some days I like to just take a big old guess at the final two or three.  I have been using this method

for many years and have developed a very good nack for guessing and being correct by just looking

at the data in my database and making a few counts.   I don't play every day unless the data or my

opinion of the data says it's a good day to play.

Jimmy is famous for not reading post or he would find the information that he thinks I have eluded

from posting.  The exact method that I use is of no importance to players using another matrix but if

one takes the time to study the game they play they can gain some insight on how, what and when

to play.

If I find myself struggling to make selections I don't play.  If I am not feeling good I don't play.  Always

put yourself into a state of relaxation before playing.  If you find yourself trying to make the data fit

some preconceived notion of what you think will hit then don't play.  I think that most understand that

selecting digits shows and totals is essential and was posted to give another method of playing.  Some

people are left hemispheric and some are right.  When I take the test I always show 50/50.  Not sure

if this helps or not but like to think it does.  I use both disciplines and creativeness because the lottery

requires both.

RL

Jimmy

Your reply still shows your intent.  If I took a poll how many people ever considered to look at the lottery

drawings from this perspective, what would be the results?  If I can but give another perspective then I

have achived my goal.

RL

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Hind site? Is that a chair or a sofa?

Maybe you meant Hindsight which means realization of the possibilities after the occurrence.

JIMMY, HOMBRE, we all have those 'if I knew then what I know now moments!!!!' I had one this morning!

When I opened the shed, the left rear lawn tractor tire was FLAT.

If I'd have known that, I WOULDN'T HAVE OPENED THE SHED. That's Hindsight.

But with all my determination was I going to let it stop me?

Well........yeah. Determination is a good thing if you want beat your head against a brick wall.

Determination vs Random Event? The random event can win. I don't have to mow today.

Same with the lottery. I'd like to win TODAY. But if I don't, I was blindsided by a random event.

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Hind site? Is that a chair or a sofa?

Maybe you meant Hindsight which means realization of the possibilities after the occurrence.

JIMMY, HOMBRE, we all have those 'if I knew then what I know now moments!!!!' I had one this morning!

When I opened the shed, the left rear lawn tractor tire was FLAT.

If I'd have known that, I WOULDN'T HAVE OPENED THE SHED. That's Hindsight.

But with all my determination was I going to let it stop me?

Well........yeah. Determination is a good thing if you want beat your head against a brick wall.

Determination vs Random Event? The random event can win. I don't have to mow today.

Same with the lottery. I'd like to win TODAY. But if I don't, I was blindsided by a random event.

Good for you Gary!  You finally found what you were looking for, a spelling mistake in one of my posts.  Keep watching; you just might catch another one.  And if you scrutinize my next post coming up shortly, you might even find a round off error in my arithmetic.

Good work!

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Good for you Gary!  You finally found what you were looking for, a spelling mistake in one of my posts.  Keep watching; you just might catch another one.  And if you scrutinize my next post coming up shortly, you might even find a round off error in my arithmetic.

Good work!

Eeryone,  place  your bets,  Jimmy is about to explode with another set of statistics that will echo

through LP land.  I just hope that he includes the data for 2of3's, 3of3's and not just the 4of5's

that has tipped his plate.  Save yourself the time jimmy. Been there done that so before you waste

your time which is exactly what you are doing, take a deep breath and remember the one word that

I use so often  -----> IF <------ .   The idea here is to remove from the pool of selection.  If one is trying

to make 5 selections from a pool of lets say 59 numbers or picking 5 digits from a pool of 10 and given

a few of these 10 choices are a bit easier to select and that no SP will ever do worse then a QP then

you should conclude that anything you come up with is static and useless.  We know the math and are

selections are made in faith.  We hope we pick the correct digits or numbers.  I make my final selections

based on the belief  that at the drawings will follow the matrix in population and distribution.  I will never

post my exact methods and you have taken this as a way to attack me.  I posted just what I said I would

post and I also hold back what I will hold back.   I use to spend far more but never gained from doing so.

Playing digits works for me and just because you don't have any success using them means nothing.

I know the math and you will never post anything here concerning the odds that I have not already looked

at.

RL

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Anyone, everyone

I posted a system that uses / wheels digits to build my lines to play.  Over the years I have worked

out several methods of selecting digits that allows me to win more then I play.  For the record, I win

between \$500.00 to \$1000.00 per year more then I spend.  I play between 25 and 35 times a year

and play between 8 and 15 lines.  I normally hit three or four 4 of 5's each year but have hit three in

one day.  I win many 3 of 5's which pays \$10.00 and 2 of 5's which pays \$1.00.   I have never claimed

to be rich or make a living playing the lottery.  My methods require me to wait sometimes for weeks

between plays waiting for the correct time to play.  If I wanted to play more agressive then I could

probably win more but I could also lose more.  I wish I could win any time that I chose to play but that

is not the case.  Jimmy wants me to show the exact method I use and It's not that simple.  There is

no one bit of data but may different things that show that the RNG is about to come home to papa so

to speak.   Below is a list from last nights drawing that shows all the possible 4 of 5's for that drawing

and the digits needed to produce them.   This data -> 3230001000 shows the times each digit hit per

set.   The first digit 3 in the line is the number of times digit 1 was in the set. The next digit 2 is the

times digit 2 is in the set and so on.   You can see from the list that I have many different ways I could

have set my wheel using many different digit combinations and still hit a 4of5.  Some of these will produce

less then 10 total lines using no filters.

Example for first line

01-13-17-22-33  3230001000  1237 <- digits needed for a 4  of 5

digit 1 hit three

digit 2 hit two

digit 3 hit three

digits 4-5-6 no shows

digit 7 hit one

digits 8-9-0 no shows

numbers______1234567890__digits needed

01 13 17 22 33   3230001000   1237
01 13 17 22 34   3221001000   12347
01 13 17 33 34   3041001000   1347
01 13 22 33 34   2241000000   1234
01 17 22 33 34   2231001000   12347
02 13 17 22 33   2330001000   1237
02 13 17 22 34   2321001000   12347
02 13 17 33 34   2141001000   12347
02 13 22 33 34   1341000000   1234
02 17 22 33 34   1331001000   12347
03 13 17 22 33   2240001000   1237
03 13 17 22 34   2231001000   12347
03 13 17 33 34   2051001000   1347
03 13 22 33 34   1251000000   1234
03 17 22 33 34   1241001000   12347
04 13 17 22 33   2231001000   12347
04 13 17 22 34   2222001000   12347
04 13 17 33 34   2042001000   1347
04 13 22 33 34   1242000000   1234
04 17 22 33 34   1232001000   12347
05 13 17 22 33   2230101000   12357
05 13 17 22 34   2221101000   123457
05 13 17 33 34   2041101000   13457
05 13 22 33 34   1241100000   12345
05 17 22 33 34   1231101000   123457
06 13 17 22 33   2230011000   12367
06 13 17 22 34   2221011000   123467
06 13 17 33 34   2041011000   13467
06 13 22 33 34   1241010000   12346
06 17 22 33 34   1231011000   123467
07 13 17 22 33   2230002000   1237
07 13 17 22 34   2221002000   12347
07 13 17 33 34   2041002000   1347
07 13 22 33 34   1241001000   12347
07 17 22 33 34   1231002000   12347
08 13 17 22 33   2230001100   12378
08 13 17 22 34   2221001100   123478
08 13 17 33 34   2041001100   13478
08 13 22 33 34   1241000100   12348
08 17 22 33 34   1231001100   123478
09 13 17 22 33   2230001010   12379
09 13 17 22 34   2221001010   123479
09 13 17 33 34   2041001010   13479
09 13 22 33 34   1241000010   12349
09 17 22 33 34   1231001010   123479
10 13 17 22 33   3230001001   12370
10 13 17 22 34   3221001001   123470
10 13 17 33 34   3041001001   13470
10 13 22 33 34   2241000001   12340
10 17 22 33 34   2231001001   123470
11 13 17 22 33   4230001000   1237
11 13 17 22 34   4221001000   12347
11 13 17 33 34   4041001000   1347
11 13 22 33 34   3241000000   1234
11 17 22 33 34   3231001000   12347
12 13 17 22 33   3330001000   1237
12 13 17 22 34   3321001000   12347
12 13 17 33 34   3141001000   12347
12 13 22 33 34   2341000000   1234
12 17 22 33 34   2331001000   12347
13 14 17 22 33   3231001000   12347
13 14 17 22 34   3222001000   12347
13 14 17 33 34   3042001000   1347
13 14 22 33 34   2242000000   1234
13 15 17 22 33   3230101000   12357
13 15 17 22 34   3221101000   123457
13 15 17 33 34   3041101000   13457
13 15 22 33 34   2241100000   12345
13 16 17 22 33   3230011000   12367
13 16 17 22 34   3221011000   123467
13 16 17 33 34   3041011000   13467
13 16 22 33 34   2241010000   12346
13 17 18 22 33   3230001100   12378
13 17 18 22 34   3221001100   123478
13 17 18 33 34   3041001100   13478
13 17 19 22 33   3230001010   12379
13 17 19 22 34   3221001010   123479
13 17 19 33 34   3041001010   13479
13 17 20 22 33   2330001001   12370
13 17 20 22 34   2321001001   123470
13 17 20 33 34   2141001001   123470
13 17 21 22 33   3330001000   1237
13 17 21 22 34   3321001000   12347
13 17 21 33 34   3141001000   12347
13 17 22 23 33   2340001000   1237
13 17 22 23 34   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 24 33   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 24 34   2322001000   12347
13 17 22 25 33   2330101000   12357
13 17 22 25 34   2321101000   123457
13 17 22 26 33   2330011000   12367
13 17 22 26 34   2321011000   123467
13 17 22 27 33   2330002000   1237
13 17 22 27 34   2321002000   12347
13 17 22 28 33   2330001100   12378
13 17 22 28 34   2321001100   123478
13 17 22 29 33   2330001010   12379
13 17 22 29 34   2321001010   123479
13 17 22 30 33   2240001001   12370
13 17 22 30 34   2231001001   123470
13 17 22 31 33   3240001000   1237
13 17 22 31 34   3231001000   12347
13 17 22 32 33   2340001000   1237
13 17 22 32 34   2331001000   12347
13 17 22 33 34   2241001000   12347 5 OF 5
13 17 22 33 35   2240101000   12357
13 17 22 33 36   2240011000   12367
13 17 22 33 37   2240002000   1237
13 17 22 33 38   2240001100   12378
13 17 22 33 39   2240001010   12379
13 17 22 34 35   2231101000   123457
13 17 22 34 36   2231011000   123467
13 17 22 34 37   2231002000   12347
13 17 22 34 38   2231001100   123478
13 17 22 34 39   2231001010   123479
13 17 23 33 34   2151001000   12347
13 17 24 33 34   2142001000   12347
13 17 25 33 34   2141101000   123457
13 17 26 33 34   2141011000   123467
13 17 27 33 34   2141002000   12347
13 17 28 33 34   2141001100   123478
13 17 29 33 34   2141001010   123479
13 17 30 33 34   2051001001   13470
13 17 31 33 34   3051001000   1347
13 17 32 33 34   2151001000   12347
13 17 33 34 35   2051101000   13457
13 17 33 34 36   2051011000   13467
13 17 33 34 37   2051002000   1347
13 17 33 34 38   2051001100   13478
13 17 33 34 39   2051001010   13479
13 18 22 33 34   2241000100   12348
13 19 22 33 34   2241000010   12349
13 20 22 33 34   1341000001   12340
13 21 22 33 34   2341000000   1234
13 22 23 33 34   1351000000   1234
13 22 24 33 34   1342000000   1234
13 22 25 33 34   1341100000   12345
13 22 26 33 34   1341010000   12346
13 22 27 33 34   1341001000   12347
13 22 28 33 34   1341000100   12348
13 22 29 33 34   1341000010   12349
13 22 30 33 34   1251000001   12340
13 22 31 33 34   2251000000   1234
13 22 32 33 34   1351000000   1234
13 22 33 34 35   1251100000   12345
13 22 33 34 36   1251010000   12346
13 22 33 34 37   1251001000   12347
13 22 33 34 38   1251000100   12348
13 22 33 34 39   1251000010   12349
14 17 22 33 34   2232001000   12347
15 17 22 33 34   2231101000   123457
16 17 22 33 34   2231011000   123467
17 18 22 33 34   2231001100   123478
17 19 22 33 34   2231001010   123479
17 20 22 33 34   1331001001   123470
17 21 22 33 34   2331001000   12347
17 22 23 33 34   1341001000   12347
17 22 24 33 34   1332001000   12347
17 22 25 33 34   1331101000   123457
17 22 26 33 34   1331011000   123467
17 22 27 33 34   1331002000   12347
17 22 28 33 34   1331001100   123478
17 22 29 33 34   1331001010   123479
17 22 30 33 34   1241001001   123470
17 22 31 33 34   2241001000   12347
17 22 32 33 34   1341001000   12347
17 22 33 34 35   1241101000   123457
17 22 33 34 36   1241011000   123467
17 22 33 34 37   1241002000   12347
17 22 33 34 38   1241001100   123478
17 22 33 34 39   1241001010   123479

This is the digit system, My software allows me to click on the digits I want to wheel and click run. Notice

how many of these sets have digits 1-2-3 and many have 1-2-3-4 which would produced a 4 of 5. Some

of these will produce more then one.

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

"I use to spend far more but never gained from doing so."

"Playing digits works for me and just because you don't have any success using them means nothing."

I play QuickPicks.

--------------------Referring to the quoted post above-------------------

Finally, RL-RANDOMLOGIC has given us some numbers we can work with.

He said, "For the record, I win between \$500.00 to \$1000.00 per year more then I spend.  I play between 25 and 35 times a year and play between 8 and 15 lines."

I've taken the liberty of averaging and rounding off the high and low yearly estimates:
#Plays   =  (25 + 35) / 2 =  30
#Lines / Play = (8 + 15) / 2 =  12
\$Spent  = Plays * (Lines/Play) = 30 * 12 = \$360 / Year
\$Won  =    \$Spent  + \$(500+1000)/2  = \$360 + \$750 = \$1110 / Year
ROI = Return On Investment = (\$Won / \$Spent) =  1110 / 360  = 3 / 1 (Rounded)

This is very impressive indeed.  \$3 won for every \$1 spent!

Back in May, 2010(1), RL told us he won \$25,000 after taxes (in 1999), and in June, 2010(2) he told us he won \$37,000 before taxes at an unspecified time.  Let's assume these two reports are for one and the same win of \$25,000 after taxes. (BTW, this puts him in the 32% tax bracket.) Since most people reading this are pretty good with numbers, I'm guessing you can see that we have a problem here!  If RL is only spending \$360 per year and winning \$1110 per year, he would have needed at least 23 years of play in Missouri to account for this \$25K.  Since the MO lottery has been around since 1986, and he claims to have played for many years, this is possible, but it would require RL to have won little or nothing other than the \$25K hit.  But that was supposedly in 1999, and he claims to make most of his money from the minor prizes!

So, the bottom line is, RL-RANDOMLOGIC's winnings reports JUST DON'T ADD UP!

On a more general note - does it make sense to you that someone who claims they want to help as many people as possible by building homeless shelters and other good works, if they really had a system of lottery play that netted them \$3 for every \$1 they spent, would NOT collaborate with a reliable money management expert and figure out a way to make more than \$750 per year?  Do you REALLY believe that?

If RL's \$37K before taxes and \$25K after taxes are two distinct hits, think about the implications of THAT in light of the above.

Another thing to think about is the fact that RL has hinted on several occasions that his system works because of anomalies in the Missouri computerized Lotto system.  But yet, if we read what he said back in May of last year(3), he seems to believe the opposite.  Go figure.

Finally, in his post above, grinding out the digit details of the results of the previous day's drawing, are you really convinced when he looks back at a drawing that's already occured and asks, "Note how easily my settings COULD have matched this."  (This is a paraphrase.)

So what is the REAL TRUTH here?

Garyo1954:  Did you find any spelling mistakes or round-off errors in this post?  Let me know if you do.  Thanks.

P.S.  If RL-RANDOMLOGIC replies to this and seems to be convincing you that his conflicting statements over time really are not conflicting, and that my observations above are all wrong, run this video again, and think about it:

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Jimbo

For the record the amount was \$36,764.70. 28% feds and 4% state. This winning is not
included in my figures because you posted that unless a person wins a jackpot then they
will never win in the long run. Back in the days of the 5-30 it was nothing to win a
4 of 5 a couple times a month and if I remember correctly it payed \$100.00. A 3 of 5
payed \$10.00 and a 2 of 5 paid nothing.

When I give my figures for winning they are for the current game which has been running
since 08/2008. Before that Show Me cash was a 5-44 game which paid \$750.00 for a 4 of 5.

I have  explained this many times that one of the most important reasons for winning is
to wait on the draw. Playing day to day would be a losing proposition, one I avoid like
the plague.

This part would be very close for the last year. I had a few months which winners fell off
but the problem was in the bayesian predictor which I quit using and my winnings came back.

#Plays   =  (25 + 35) / 2 =  30
#Lines / Play = (8 + 15) / 2 =  12
\$Spent  = Plays * (Lines/Play) = 30 * 12 = \$360 / Year
\$Won  =    \$Spent  + \$(500+1000)/2  = \$360 + \$750 = \$1110 / Year
ROI = Return On Investment = (\$Won / \$Spent) =  1110 / 360  = 3 / 1 (Rounded)

Take out the \$25.000 cash which is the same win as the \$36,764.70 before taxes and then rerun
the figures. I think they would be a little low but the ROI would still fall very close. Some
of my best years I played closer to \$1000.00 per year but was a different game then.

Finally, in his post above, grinding out the digit details of the results of the previous day's
drawing, are you really convinced when he looks back at a drawing that's already occured and asks,
"Note how easily my settings COULD have matched this." (This is a paraphrase.)

The reason this example was given was to show that the digits selected are a little forgiving
when it comes to selection. I played on paper yesterday and chose digits 1-2-3-5-6-8-0 to play

Here are the sets that I could have won a 4 of 5 using thees digits even when 2-3-5-6-8 showed
05 06 10 28 33   1120110101   1235680
05 06 10 28 35   1110210101   1235680
06 10 28 33 35   1130110101   1235680

I added the digit 0 to my list at the last minute and so my best picks were 1-2-3-5-6-8
01 05 06 28 33   1120110100   123568
01 05 06 28 35   1110210100   123568
01 06 28 33 35   1130110100   123568
05 06 11 28 33   2120110100   123568
05 06 11 28 35   2110210100   123568
05 06 12 28 33   1220110100   123568
05 06 12 28 35   1210210100   123568
05 06 13 28 33   1130110100   123568
05 06 13 28 35   1120210100   123568
05 06 16 28 33   1120120100   123568
05 06 16 28 35   1110220100   123568

plus many, more 4 of 5's were possible.

winning set
05 06 28 33 35   0130210100   23568 5 OF 5

I sent these picks to another person before the draw so I am not making this up as I know you
will be thinking.

You can see from this list I had all the digits that hit plus 1 and 0 which did not hit but
even with these incorrect digits I would have still been in the running for a 4 of 5 and many
3 of 5 hits.

This is a average day that I don't play. I was unsure of digit 0 but I did think that digit 1
would hit.  Another tip I give many people is that when one of the base digits misses then it
is very likely that several others will follow. Wait the game out until 1-2-3 start a long run
of hits before playing again. It is not uncommon for 1-2-3 to hit over 10 drawings in a row for
my 5-39 game.

To those that are somehow effected by my spelling I would like to say in my defence that I have
been dyslexic from my youth. I have no phonic capibilities. Every word I use I have memeorized
as I cannot sound out a word for the correct spelling. This is also the reason that I use simple
text whenever I post. I can however understand anything one wishes to write.

RL

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Interesting set of posts RL.  Thanks.

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RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

"I use to spend far more but never gained from doing so."

"Playing digits works for me and just because you don't have any success using them means nothing."

I play QuickPicks.

--------------------Referring to the quoted post above-------------------

Finally, RL-RANDOMLOGIC has given us some numbers we can work with.

He said, "For the record, I win between \$500.00 to \$1000.00 per year more then I spend.  I play between 25 and 35 times a year and play between 8 and 15 lines."

I've taken the liberty of averaging and rounding off the high and low yearly estimates:
#Plays   =  (25 + 35) / 2 =  30
#Lines / Play = (8 + 15) / 2 =  12
\$Spent  = Plays * (Lines/Play) = 30 * 12 = \$360 / Year
\$Won  =    \$Spent  + \$(500+1000)/2  = \$360 + \$750 = \$1110 / Year
ROI = Return On Investment = (\$Won / \$Spent) =  1110 / 360  = 3 / 1 (Rounded)

This is very impressive indeed.  \$3 won for every \$1 spent!

Back in May, 2010(1), RL told us he won \$25,000 after taxes (in 1999), and in June, 2010(2) he told us he won \$37,000 before taxes at an unspecified time.  Let's assume these two reports are for one and the same win of \$25,000 after taxes. (BTW, this puts him in the 32% tax bracket.) Since most people reading this are pretty good with numbers, I'm guessing you can see that we have a problem here!  If RL is only spending \$360 per year and winning \$1110 per year, he would have needed at least 23 years of play in Missouri to account for this \$25K.  Since the MO lottery has been around since 1986, and he claims to have played for many years, this is possible, but it would require RL to have won little or nothing other than the \$25K hit.  But that was supposedly in 1999, and he claims to make most of his money from the minor prizes!

So, the bottom line is, RL-RANDOMLOGIC's winnings reports JUST DON'T ADD UP!

On a more general note - does it make sense to you that someone who claims they want to help as many people as possible by building homeless shelters and other good works, if they really had a system of lottery play that netted them \$3 for every \$1 they spent, would NOT collaborate with a reliable money management expert and figure out a way to make more than \$750 per year?  Do you REALLY believe that?

If RL's \$37K before taxes and \$25K after taxes are two distinct hits, think about the implications of THAT in light of the above.

Another thing to think about is the fact that RL has hinted on several occasions that his system works because of anomalies in the Missouri computerized Lotto system.  But yet, if we read what he said back in May of last year(3), he seems to believe the opposite.  Go figure.

Finally, in his post above, grinding out the digit details of the results of the previous day's drawing, are you really convinced when he looks back at a drawing that's already occured and asks, "Note how easily my settings COULD have matched this."  (This is a paraphrase.)

So what is the REAL TRUTH here?

Garyo1954:  Did you find any spelling mistakes or round-off errors in this post?  Let me know if you do.  Thanks.

P.S.  If RL-RANDOMLOGIC replies to this and seems to be convincing you that his conflicting statements over time really are not conflicting, and that my observations above are all wrong, run this video again, and think about it:

Very simply....

You refuse to stop attacking RL because tearing someone down makes you feel superior.

In reality, you are a very inferior person.

This is my one and only post to you, to try to show others what you are really about.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR \$2)

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Some of these threads could actually be pretty good if it weren't for his attacks.

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Jim! Jimmy! Jimbo! Duddddddddde!

People gonna think you be hating on me now! I can't help I was born stupid! Hind site. Hindsight. No big deal, just funny if you think about it. I make enough mistakes to fill an encyclopedia. But don't underestimate me, as soon as I've done the stupidest thing you can imagine, I'll do something stupider just to prove you're wrong!

Would like to tell you how I come up with the megaplier 4 last night but my dog is eating my ham and egg croissant. It's an old secret family formula me and the neighbor lady put together last night.

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This morning, while reading over my recent posts and the responses they have elicited, I came to the decision that it is a futile endeavor.  Why?  Because after doing a little research, I realize that the reason for much of the strife here over the issue of randomness goes much deeper than the lottery.  It is a fundamental difference in philosophy between those who abhor what I post here and myself.  My opponents have a much more deterministic view of the world than I do.  For example, RL-RANDOMLOGIC has read the Bible at least 40 times:

I have only read what was necessary to satisfy course requirements, most memorably, The Book of Ecclesiastes, which I enjoyed.  Religion for me provides perspective for the study of philosophy, sociology, and psychology.  Here are a couple of references with excerpts that help to explain why I have decided to stop "preaching!"

Randomness vs Determinism

http://pjmazumdar.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/randomness-vs-determinism/

"Determinism would seem to be seriously challenged by quantum theory, which has proved randomness in as far as quantum events are concerned. This is however rejected by determinative thinkers who hold that determinism still holds at the macroscopic level.  Thus a determinism adherent would hold for example that if we could have a sort of supercomputer, he would be able to predict every bubble in a wave or every toss of a coin.  So a determinism adherent would say that in a macroscopic case, say a billiard ball hitting the side of the table and bouncing back, we could predict exactly by knowing the angle at which the ball hits the table and its initial velocity, the resultant angle and velocity after hitting the table.

"But is this so? In fact, this is not really true and randomness still enters the picture. The path of the ball is not in fact totally predictable but has random fluctuations in its path, but these fluctuations are of a quantum proportion and therefore are not measured in macroscopic measurements."

Chance

http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/chance.html

"The core idea of chance and indeterminism is closely related to the idea of causality. Indeterminism for some is simply an event without a cause, an uncaused cause or causa sui that starts a new causal chain. If we admit some uncaused causes, we can have an adequate causality without the physical necessity of strict determinism - which implies complete predictability of events and only one possible future."

RL-RANDOMLOGIC's chances of convincing me that his Base-Ten-Digits Numerological System gives him an edge in the lottery are about as good as someone convincing a devout Catholic that they have irrefutable evidence that Gabriel was an apprentice carpenter to Joseph of Nazareth who was dismissed shortly after Joseph's wife became pregnant.

It's futile.  We must agree to disagree.

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  I hope the links above provide good sources for further investigation of these issues.

To Whom It May Concern,

Jimmy keeps attacking!  How quickly you forget.  If you start at the top of this Topic, which I initiated, you will see that I was trying to remove myself from this futile debate with RL-RANDOMLOGIC.  It's too much like debating evolution.  The 10,000 year old earth types are not content to go about their business with their beliefs, they feel compelled to attack the scientists who present an abundance of evidence to the contrary.  The bible thumpers smile and feel satisfied and proud to proclaim they "ain't related to no monkey," leaving the scientists frustrated and often in legal battles with their children's school districts, or if they're teachers, fighting for their jobs.

If you want to know the truth of what has transpired in this thread, you will reread it from the top.  If you do, I think you will see that I didn't start again aggressively going after RL-RANDOMLOGIC until he reneged on his promise to stay out of my business.  He and his 2 friends have hijacked the Topic.   Don't take my word for this - go ahead, read it again.  It's not that long.

I see garyo1954 just said, "...as soon as I've done the stupidest thing you can imagine, I'll do something stupider just to prove you're wrong!," and he did just that, again!

If you are satisfied when RL-RANDOMLOGIC does a workout for his system the day after a draw, as he did here in one of his latest posts, and feel no need to request that he do one for the next day, even if he doesn't plan on betting, you are a fool!.  If he is able to analyse a draw after the fact without revealing the proprietary aspects of his selection process, there is no reason why he can't do it for the next day.

Here, again, I will attempt to end this exchange by repeating what I wrote above in this thread:

"In the meantime, because the mathematics to theoretically prove or disprove the efficacy of any number selection system for lotteries is not a reasonable goal for most of us here, a computer simulation or a backtest is the only approach that makes any sense.  Consequently, until you are prepared to demonstrate your system in this way, it would really make me happy if you would take the thousands of dollars you've had the good fortune to win, parlay it, and leave those interested free to examine some interesting Monte Carlo Software techniques that I would like to introduce which could prove useful not only in understanding the lottery, but other more general areas where stochastic processes exist.

"You are free to explore your interests in other Topics here, and unless you are mounting attacks on me, either directly, or through innuendo, I will feel no need to interrupt you."

--Jimmy4164

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Jimbo

For the record the amount was \$36,764.70. 28% feds and 4% state. This winning is not
included in my figures because you posted that unless a person wins a jackpot then they
will never win in the long run. Back in the days of the 5-30 it was nothing to win a
4 of 5 a couple times a month and if I remember correctly it payed \$100.00. A 3 of 5
payed \$10.00 and a 2 of 5 paid nothing.

When I give my figures for winning they are for the current game which has been running
since 08/2008. Before that Show Me cash was a 5-44 game which paid \$750.00 for a 4 of 5.

I have  explained this many times that one of the most important reasons for winning is
to wait on the draw. Playing day to day would be a losing proposition, one I avoid like
the plague.

This part would be very close for the last year. I had a few months which winners fell off
but the problem was in the bayesian predictor which I quit using and my winnings came back.

#Plays   =  (25 + 35) / 2 =  30
#Lines / Play = (8 + 15) / 2 =  12
\$Spent  = Plays * (Lines/Play) = 30 * 12 = \$360 / Year
\$Won  =    \$Spent  + \$(500+1000)/2  = \$360 + \$750 = \$1110 / Year
ROI = Return On Investment = (\$Won / \$Spent) =  1110 / 360  = 3 / 1 (Rounded)

Take out the \$25.000 cash which is the same win as the \$36,764.70 before taxes and then rerun
the figures. I think they would be a little low but the ROI would still fall very close. Some
of my best years I played closer to \$1000.00 per year but was a different game then.

Finally, in his post above, grinding out the digit details of the results of the previous day's
drawing, are you really convinced when he looks back at a drawing that's already occured and asks,
"Note how easily my settings COULD have matched this." (This is a paraphrase.)

The reason this example was given was to show that the digits selected are a little forgiving
when it comes to selection. I played on paper yesterday and chose digits 1-2-3-5-6-8-0 to play

Here are the sets that I could have won a 4 of 5 using thees digits even when 2-3-5-6-8 showed
05 06 10 28 33   1120110101   1235680
05 06 10 28 35   1110210101   1235680
06 10 28 33 35   1130110101   1235680

I added the digit 0 to my list at the last minute and so my best picks were 1-2-3-5-6-8
01 05 06 28 33   1120110100   123568
01 05 06 28 35   1110210100   123568
01 06 28 33 35   1130110100   123568
05 06 11 28 33   2120110100   123568
05 06 11 28 35   2110210100   123568
05 06 12 28 33   1220110100   123568
05 06 12 28 35   1210210100   123568
05 06 13 28 33   1130110100   123568
05 06 13 28 35   1120210100   123568
05 06 16 28 33   1120120100   123568
05 06 16 28 35   1110220100   123568

plus many, more 4 of 5's were possible.

winning set
05 06 28 33 35   0130210100   23568 5 OF 5

I sent these picks to another person before the draw so I am not making this up as I know you
will be thinking.

You can see from this list I had all the digits that hit plus 1 and 0 which did not hit but
even with these incorrect digits I would have still been in the running for a 4 of 5 and many
3 of 5 hits.

This is a average day that I don't play. I was unsure of digit 0 but I did think that digit 1
would hit.  Another tip I give many people is that when one of the base digits misses then it
is very likely that several others will follow. Wait the game out until 1-2-3 start a long run
of hits before playing again. It is not uncommon for 1-2-3 to hit over 10 drawings in a row for
my 5-39 game.

To those that are somehow effected by my spelling I would like to say in my defence that I have
been dyslexic from my youth. I have no phonic capibilities. Every word I use I have memeorized
as I cannot sound out a word for the correct spelling. This is also the reason that I use simple
text whenever I post. I can however understand anything one wishes to write.

RL

"Playing day to day would be a losing proposition, one I avoid like the plague."

That's really bad news for Jimmy because all his statistics are based on playing the same number the same way everyday; sometimes for years.

"If you play \$1 on a straight daily, every 2 or 3 years you'll hit for \$500." and "My backtests of 33+ years of the PA [000-999] lottery resulted in an average straight hit rate of 1 per 1000 draws, and this was true applying various TTT schemes as well as "systems" like betting on "yesterday's winner"."

I've never spoke with anyone playing the same number every day for 2 or 3 years, but while it's possible they would continue to play to recoup some of their losses, suggesting someone would play the same number every day for over 33 years is incredibly stupid. When I read Jimmy's statistics based on his mind boggling suggestion that a group of Challenge players would wager \$3168 two or four times a week for a year, it was easy to see his statistics have no credibility and are worthless.

"To those that are somehow effected by my spelling I would like to say in my defence that I have
been dyslexic from my youth. I have no phonic capibilities."

I've had no problems understanding your posts and it doesn't look like the others that have actually played pick-5 games have a problem either. Playing Ohio Rolling Cash 5 is one of the things I miss after moving to Kentucky.

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