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A Different type of Wheel, Call it: Groups wheel or Sets wheel...

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Honduras
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 Posted: February 23, 2011, 11:55 pm - IP Logged

lets use Pick6, let say you want to wheel, 30 numbers for a 5/6....It might costs you like, \$4,000 i dont know i am just saying....

let´s say the first 30 numbers in the Pick6/49 were going to play...

you use 2 wheels 1 from 1-15 pick3 abbreviated wheel the other from: 16-30 abbreviated wheel...

you could get a: 2/3 abbreviated wheel from: 1-15 and a 2/3 or 3/3 abbreviated wheel from: 16-30...

lets say the, 1-15 came out to: 20 tickets and the 16-30 came out to, 30 tickets...YOU THEN MULTIPLY THE 20 TICKETS PAIR THEM UP WITH THE 30 TICKETS IT SHOULD BE: 20 X 30 = \$600 less than the: \$4,000 you was going to pay for the same....

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I'm sorry you're going to have to explain this more clearly if you want anybody to understand it.  There's literally no possible way to have the same wheel that would regularly cost 4000 dollars for 600 dollars.

But if I understand what you are sayingis that you'd split the field in half, and then play 2 seperate  wheels, one 2 if 3 wheel and one 3 if 3 with it,  I'm not a big fan of splittin the field of numbers you chose in half, but if you meant you were just playing two seperate wheels, the I guess it's all the same.  Because then you're just playing 2 seperate wheels.  It wouldn't necessarily achieve the same results as a 5/6 wheel - but those wheels are expensive in general, so I wouldn't consider playing any of them.

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lets use Pick6, let say you want to wheel, 30 numbers for a 5/6....It might costs you like, \$4,000 i dont know i am just saying....

let´s say the first 30 numbers in the Pick6/49 were going to play...

you use 2 wheels 1 from 1-15 pick3 abbreviated wheel the other from: 16-30 abbreviated wheel...

you could get a: 2/3 abbreviated wheel from: 1-15 and a 2/3 or 3/3 abbreviated wheel from: 16-30...

lets say the, 1-15 came out to: 20 tickets and the 16-30 came out to, 30 tickets...YOU THEN MULTIPLY THE 20 TICKETS PAIR THEM UP WITH THE 30 TICKETS IT SHOULD BE: 20 X 30 = \$600 less than the: \$4,000 you was going to pay for the same....

Let's make it a little easier to discuss by working with 20 numbers for that 5/6 guarantee.  That wheel would require 1,154 lines.  (20,6,5,6)=1154

Divided into two groups of 10

For the 3/3 that takes (10,3,3,3)=120

For the 2/3 that takes (10,3,2,3)=8

To make our Pick-6 combinations we'd have to pair up each of the 120 lines with each of the 8 for a total of 8 x 120 = 960 which is darn close to our 1154 lines, but not exactly and I'll tell you why.

Our new wheel is not a 100% (20,6,5,6)=960, it is conditional on 3 of the winning numbers falling on each half, no more, no less on a side.  In short, the savings is a result of the greater risk, hence no real savings at all.

Good idea though.  BobP

bgonÃ§alves
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 Posted: February 24, 2011, 11:32 am - IP Logged

pumpi 76=

Note that  C(50,5,3,5)=C(26,5,3,3)+C(24,5,3,3)
because if you divide 50 numbers into 2 groups, then at least 3 of 5
numbers must be either in one or in another group.  You can find
C(26,5,3,3) =260 and C(24,5,3,3)<=231  Taking 2*C(25,5,3,3)<=2*256=512 would be bigger, because 26 has a nice
symmetry.

So, obviously 17296 is far too much. But let’s take a look at your
idea to take one number from [2..18], one from [6..36] and one from
[34..49]. This gives you 17*31*16=8432 VARIATIONS. The number of
COMBINATIONS is of course not 6 times smaller, because the three
intervals don’t coincide. But since at least two and two partly
overlap, it should be somewhere between this number and half less. Rough
guess about 6000. Even if you avoid overlapping, say [2..17],[18..33]
and [34..49], you still have 16*16*16 = 4096 games, which is over 8
times more expensive than 491 above.

Even so, it’s not exactly 100% guarantee. But with such redundancy,
it obviously can’t be much less either. You are right about that. But
the same is true for any random choice of 4096 or so games. Ordering
makes no difference here, all balls are equal.

But even with only 491, I doubt you can make a profit. I’m sure that
the prize for 3 in 5 is small enough that the Lottery, not you, makes
the profit. On average of course, not when you are lucky.

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