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The Great Lottery Revolt

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The states work for its CITIZEN. Should the odds of winning be tipped a little more to the players?

Yes [ 22 ]  [50.00%]
No [ 4 ]  [9.09%]
Send 90% to fund schools. [ 1 ]  [2.27%]
Tipped the scale towards me! [ 5 ]  [11.36%]
Send it all to balance the federal deficit. [ 1 ]  [2.27%]
The states don't believe that they work for US! [ 11 ]  [25.00%]
Total Valid Votes [ 44 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 2 ]  
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Posted: April 28, 2011, 2:33 pm - IP Logged

Googly!, that is funny. I'm a conservative. Conserving our nation should supercede party loyalties. Thanks for passing along the good luck on my Powerball plays. Join the Lottery Party today.

10-4, Googler.

Keep on rockin' in the free world!


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

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    Posted: April 28, 2011, 6:33 pm - IP Logged

    ..geez no, don't get started!

    I think we should get a better shake from the lotteries.  If offshore lottery companies can make money and offer $900 for a Pick3 win, I think at least $700 from the State Lotteries is more than possible.

    They don't call it a tax, we shouldn't be paying such a high price. Otherwise call it a tax.

    Still leaves money for education.

    Schools don't need unions.  Schools don't need expensive labor and pensions to provide decent education.  Schools don't need excessive salaries for administration.  Schools don't need fancy expensive buildings either. 

    How about taxing the oil companies a few billion to foot the education bill?  Better yet, how about calling it gouging and force them to lower the price at the gas pump?  I really don't care if gas is $10/gallon in foreign countries, I care that gas should be around $2.00 to $2.50/gallon here.

    I never did learn that pledge to the flag, don't see that as important at all.

    Last I checked, the oil companies are taxed by our government, and I am not talking about the state sales tax that varies from state to state.  Largely those companies that meet some government incentive end up not paying much, if any, taxes at all like GE (blame that on Obama folks...this whole big push on "green" energy...one has to wonder if Obama is invested in companies that are "shielded" from high taxes and such). 

    Another point I think many people seem to "overlook" is that any for profit company is in their particular line of business to make a profit.  Those companies making millions and billions in profit need to do that in order to 1) stay in business (does anyone remember TWA?  How about Circuit City? I rest my case), 2) produce the goods and services that employ so many people, 3) pay taxes to the government (did you know that unprofitable companies do not pay taxes?  After expenses are factored in, if a company has not yielded a profit there is no taxable income aside from the payroll taxes those companies pay for their employees.).  Also, I don't think I would want to be the CEO of a company hoping for a bailout from Uncle Obama.  GM, Chrysler, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and a number of financial institutions "lucked" out, but many more are not so "fortunate" (i.e. Lehman Bros, Goldman Sachs, Washington Mutual).  I am a believer in owning up to responsibility and consequences for ones actions and decisions.  For example, if a Navy ship captain runs his ship aground or collides with either another vessel or a pier, that captain is IMMEDIATELY relieved of his post, and depending on the administrative proceedings that follow, that captain's career is over.  No golden parachute is offered...he/she leaves and if eligible to draw pension, they do so.  But sometimes the proceedings also carry a punitive and financial penalty, so they do pay a price for their negligence.  That sense of responsibility seems to be absent from corporate operations.  I always thought that any CEO that was at the helm of a company that went into dire financial straits and benefited from a bailout should have been made to repay any salary and bonuses paid out to them during the period that marked the downfall for that company.  Such action would discourage the irresponsible behavior we have witnessed the past few years (and no, former Pres. Bush is not to blame for the bone headed decisions those CEOs and board of directors made that led to the financial meltdown...if you want to place any blame on any President, then one would need to go as far back as Franklin D Roosevelt (FDR) with the enactment of the New Deal and Social Security, Lyndon B. Johnson with the enactment of the Great Society and Medicare/Medicaid and amendments to Social Security, Jimmy Carter and home ownership initiatives, Bill Clinton and loosing of financial regulations (some of which were for the good, but others which were exploited and ultimately led to the recent financial meltdown).  So many people focus on the past 8 years and that was a good move on Obama's part as he never would have been elected if he would have shot down FDR, LBJ, JC, or Bill "I did not have *** with that girl" Clinton.  He could only place the blame on Bush to get elected even though Bush was not to blame for many of the country's ills.  It worked, but now we see that the policies that Obama is championing are not working at all...and will you people who keep saying, "Give him a chance...give him time....he has only been in office for two years" please give me a break.  Think about it this way...if you were a supervisor and had an employee who was not cutting the mustard, making the grade, producing positive results for your company, would you be willing to "give him/her a chance....give him/her time....he/she has only been on the job for (enough time to where he/she should have "gotten it" already)?  I don't think so. 

    But back to my point....I just wanted to point out that oil companies ARE already taxed and when they or any subsidiary goes bankrupt, the government is not there to bail them out.  So they are entitled to make a profit in order to stay in business and employ so many people in the US and around the world.  I agree with you on the schools and unions....unions.....don't really care for them as they are so out of touch with the business needs.  All businesses seek to cut costs to be sustainable and profitable...but that is usually not in the vocabulary of union leaders.  Union leaders focus is on wages, benefits, and work rules....so in my opinion, there really is no need for unions and if I were elected to presidency or congress, I would seek to get all unions outlawed.  By the same token, I would have my justice department go aggressively after CEOs who irresponsibly ran their companies into the ground...I would make them pay and pay dearly.  So I am all for fairness and I think that is how you look out for the little guy...not through some big wig union leader who drives a luxury car and lives the high life off the little people.  Ditto for those mega church pastors...or even the smaller church leaders who drive the luxury cars while those single mothers, working class married couples, and elderly members drive beaters or modest cars, and live modest lifestyles because they are paying money they do not have to the church out of obligation (no I do not believe tithing is still in effect for the church...just read Hebrews and the rest of the New Testament if you don't believe me).

    Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

    The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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      Posted: April 28, 2011, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

      Last I checked, the oil companies are taxed by our government, and I am not talking about the state sales tax that varies from state to state.  Largely those companies that meet some government incentive end up not paying much, if any, taxes at all like GE (blame that on Obama folks...this whole big push on "green" energy...one has to wonder if Obama is invested in companies that are "shielded" from high taxes and such). 

      Another point I think many people seem to "overlook" is that any for profit company is in their particular line of business to make a profit.  Those companies making millions and billions in profit need to do that in order to 1) stay in business (does anyone remember TWA?  How about Circuit City? I rest my case), 2) produce the goods and services that employ so many people, 3) pay taxes to the government (did you know that unprofitable companies do not pay taxes?  After expenses are factored in, if a company has not yielded a profit there is no taxable income aside from the payroll taxes those companies pay for their employees.).  Also, I don't think I would want to be the CEO of a company hoping for a bailout from Uncle Obama.  GM, Chrysler, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and a number of financial institutions "lucked" out, but many more are not so "fortunate" (i.e. Lehman Bros, Goldman Sachs, Washington Mutual).  I am a believer in owning up to responsibility and consequences for ones actions and decisions.  For example, if a Navy ship captain runs his ship aground or collides with either another vessel or a pier, that captain is IMMEDIATELY relieved of his post, and depending on the administrative proceedings that follow, that captain's career is over.  No golden parachute is offered...he/she leaves and if eligible to draw pension, they do so.  But sometimes the proceedings also carry a punitive and financial penalty, so they do pay a price for their negligence.  That sense of responsibility seems to be absent from corporate operations.  I always thought that any CEO that was at the helm of a company that went into dire financial straits and benefited from a bailout should have been made to repay any salary and bonuses paid out to them during the period that marked the downfall for that company.  Such action would discourage the irresponsible behavior we have witnessed the past few years (and no, former Pres. Bush is not to blame for the bone headed decisions those CEOs and board of directors made that led to the financial meltdown...if you want to place any blame on any President, then one would need to go as far back as Franklin D Roosevelt (FDR) with the enactment of the New Deal and Social Security, Lyndon B. Johnson with the enactment of the Great Society and Medicare/Medicaid and amendments to Social Security, Jimmy Carter and home ownership initiatives, Bill Clinton and loosing of financial regulations (some of which were for the good, but others which were exploited and ultimately led to the recent financial meltdown).  So many people focus on the past 8 years and that was a good move on Obama's part as he never would have been elected if he would have shot down FDR, LBJ, JC, or Bill "I did not have *** with that girl" Clinton.  He could only place the blame on Bush to get elected even though Bush was not to blame for many of the country's ills.  It worked, but now we see that the policies that Obama is championing are not working at all...and will you people who keep saying, "Give him a chance...give him time....he has only been in office for two years" please give me a break.  Think about it this way...if you were a supervisor and had an employee who was not cutting the mustard, making the grade, producing positive results for your company, would you be willing to "give him/her a chance....give him/her time....he/she has only been on the job for (enough time to where he/she should have "gotten it" already)?  I don't think so. 

      But back to my point....I just wanted to point out that oil companies ARE already taxed and when they or any subsidiary goes bankrupt, the government is not there to bail them out.  So they are entitled to make a profit in order to stay in business and employ so many people in the US and around the world.  I agree with you on the schools and unions....unions.....don't really care for them as they are so out of touch with the business needs.  All businesses seek to cut costs to be sustainable and profitable...but that is usually not in the vocabulary of union leaders.  Union leaders focus is on wages, benefits, and work rules....so in my opinion, there really is no need for unions and if I were elected to presidency or congress, I would seek to get all unions outlawed.  By the same token, I would have my justice department go aggressively after CEOs who irresponsibly ran their companies into the ground...I would make them pay and pay dearly.  So I am all for fairness and I think that is how you look out for the little guy...not through some big wig union leader who drives a luxury car and lives the high life off the little people.  Ditto for those mega church pastors...or even the smaller church leaders who drive the luxury cars while those single mothers, working class married couples, and elderly members drive beaters or modest cars, and live modest lifestyles because they are paying money they do not have to the church out of obligation (no I do not believe tithing is still in effect for the church...just read Hebrews and the rest of the New Testament if you don't believe me).

      Sorry, but it appears that you want a pity party for Corporate America. Sure, they have expenses, taxes, regulations, and payrolls to meet. American families in a microcosm deal with the same issues and still are taxed at every turn. American families first. They are the backbone, the sinew of our great nation. 

      The solution is to end most deductions and lower the tax rate. This approach would solved the badly needed rebuilding and funding of growth in America.US Flag

       

      It would also allow state lottery agencies to tip the scale so that the citizen will have a better chance of winning.

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        Posted: April 29, 2011, 1:41 pm - IP Logged

        rdgrnr posted.

        "So you support the ACLU, that kids should be allowed to remain seated and silent or turn their backs on the flag when the Pledge is recited?

        Do you feel the same about immigrants when they want to become American citizens?"

         

         

         

        I'd have to support the ACLU on that count.  Anybody who doesn't want to resight the pledge is sort of a jack***, but they have the right to be.  As for the immigrants, well, I think it's more important to find that they support the American principles of individual liberties, free interprise, etc. but I see where your views are coming from.

         

        I agree with 90% of what you've said in this thread, however.  An interesting note about the pledge of alligaince, and part of the reason I don't actually like the wording of it.  It was written by a Chrisitan Socialist, who believed in a stronger federal government, I believe it was during reconstruction.  In my eyes, a stronger federal government means less inidividual liberty.  I don't like certain verses of the Pledge, but they're ignorable because I believe in my country, I just believe in the individual and self governance more.

         

        The thing is, the principle that says people should have individual liberty means that they should be allwed to turn their backs on the flag.  Is it completely messed up?  Yes.  Am I going to think badly of those people? Hell yes.  But I can't say they should be banned from doing so.

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          Posted: April 29, 2011, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

          On a side not, we need to reform the tax code, lower taxes, and greatly reduce expenditures.

           

          I like a value added or fair tax, or a system that divides the federal budget and apportions them for states to raise.  All of these systems would rid us of the IRS, and could even remove the need for a tax day.

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            We as a nation have managed fairly well to separate church from state. We now need to reclassify the definition of corporations to keep those quasi human entities out of government. They are gutting the nation. They have trickled on us.

            And about "regime change." It is like when my wife accuses you of something that I didn't do. Just because she say it, or stations like Fox, broadcast it, delivering the information doesn't make it true. The eight year regime drove the economy into the 90 foot ditch and continue to blame the passenger. When the passenger attempts to get the GM car out of the ditch, you kick the passenger in the cajones.

            Citizen in a democracy have a duty to be educated. You must be able to ferret out the truth and protest unjust laws and policies. It is our duty to be the gadfly in the room until the fun game of playing the lottery is tipped towards the suffering citizen of the USofA. Call your state Executive Director to the lottery. As citizens it is your right to demand a recalibration of the lottery.

            It is time to join the LOTTERY PARTY. Our weapons will be stacks of failed lottery tickets and scratch cards. We have stockpiles ready for the battle. J

            Never forget citizens, it is our $1.00

            Googler:  Fun post.  A Lottery Party would almost certainly be an improvement over those out there now and might provide a whole new perspective on each of a lot of other matters.  Especially when you consider the internal factions that would inevitably emerge within the party when they were caucusing for candidates.  Those Pick 3 types would have all the power of numbers, aside from the fact they'd break down into smaller factions of systems people, dream interpreters, astrologers, statisticians and quickpickers.

            If they took control of Washington DC the Congress would be having to decide on whether to get a quickpick on important votes, think about the issue, or try to predict the outcome and vote that way.  All the kneejerk from every direction and lofty rhetoric would settle down to pondering whether they couldn't just leave the whole thing to a computer to decide and what size jackpot was involved in this next vote on defense.

            Might be worth a try.  Everything else seems to have been tried and things have just gone more to pot with every administration than it was in the last one no matter what they said before they were elected.

            At least it would distract all the zealots from their hate-preoccupations and provide a relief for everyone else from the rhetoric.

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              Googler:  Fun post.  A Lottery Party would almost certainly be an improvement over those out there now and might provide a whole new perspective on each of a lot of other matters.  Especially when you consider the internal factions that would inevitably emerge within the party when they were caucusing for candidates.  Those Pick 3 types would have all the power of numbers, aside from the fact they'd break down into smaller factions of systems people, dream interpreters, astrologers, statisticians and quickpickers.

              If they took control of Washington DC the Congress would be having to decide on whether to get a quickpick on important votes, think about the issue, or try to predict the outcome and vote that way.  All the kneejerk from every direction and lofty rhetoric would settle down to pondering whether they couldn't just leave the whole thing to a computer to decide and what size jackpot was involved in this next vote on defense.

              Might be worth a try.  Everything else seems to have been tried and things have just gone more to pot with every administration than it was in the last one no matter what they said before they were elected.

              At least it would distract all the zealots from their hate-preoccupations and provide a relief for everyone else from the rhetoric.

              Love the humor! Sounds like someone watches Family Guy.”

              Those "Internal Factions," I can't top it. That is so funny. It has the makings of a good movie script. It has more imagination than the current films.

              Would a zealot trade his/her beliefs for a winning lottery ticket? Mississippi's economy would boom for the first time since reconstruction. 

              Maybe I will file the papers to form the LOTTERY PARTY.  I will take your advice. Everyone must leave their egos, tarot cards and lottery tickets at the doors, but donations from our meager winnings will be appreciated.

              No lobbist allowed!!US Flag

               

              The Party Platform:

              More lottery winnings, a little more sinning, our great nation needs a new beginning.

              We have the winning TICKET, We the people, will get our nation  STRAIGHT, in  ANY ORDER, before it is too late.Hat

               

              This political messages has been paid for by The Lottery Party and all of its fine members!

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                Love the humor! Sounds like someone watches Family Guy.”

                Those "Internal Factions," I can't top it. That is so funny. It has the makings of a good movie script. It has more imagination than the current films.

                Would a zealot trade his/her beliefs for a winning lottery ticket? Mississippi's economy would boom for the first time since reconstruction. 

                Maybe I will file the papers to form the LOTTERY PARTY.  I will take your advice. Everyone must leave their egos, tarot cards and lottery tickets at the doors, but donations from our meager winnings will be appreciated.

                No lobbist allowed!!US Flag

                 

                The Party Platform:

                More lottery winnings, a little more sinning, our great nation needs a new beginning.

                We have the winning TICKET, We the people, will get our nation  STRAIGHT, in  ANY ORDER, before it is too late.Hat

                 

                This political messages has been paid for by The Lottery Party and all of its fine members!

                Probably most of us are here for amusement and entertainment.  The problems of the nation and the world aren't going to be solved by a lot of whining and grumbling or fighting over differing opinions about what we think are solutions on a lottery discussion board. 

                Most people anywhere aren't searching for strangers to tell them what the problems are with the way the country is running.  They already have plenty of people doing that a lot closer to home, though they aren't likely to change their dearly held opinions because of anything those might say, either.

                I suppose all these puzzling anger-exchange, barely-disguised name-calling and moral-high-ground declarations on a site people go to for fun are probably just another symptom of how wrong we all sense things have become.  By allowing it to supercede every other facet of our lives we step onto the moving sidewalk of further polarization, more stereotyping, more compartmentalizing of those around us.

                The concept of 'loyal opposition' used to be a valuable asset in this country and most people recognized it.  During the times when it slipped away for a while things got fairly tough and bloody.  The same as when it happened anywhere else on the planet.

                The Lottery Party probably won't solve the problems of this land any better than they're likely to be solved by the people on the moral high ground calling one-another names and stereotyping one another as deficient in morals, character, hard work, intelligence and common sense.  The currents of history made sure of that when the people in the developing countries discovered they could put air conditioning in their homes and automobiles in their driveways by manufacturing products US and European consumers would willingly buy from them a few dollars cheaper than producing them within their own borders and keeping their own labor-forces working.  Those choices were made enough decades ago to put us all into the consequences phase of the experiment.

                But at least the lottery party and the lottery have some potential for providing smiles while we watch the inevitable slide out of the future.

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                  Probably most of us are here for amusement and entertainment.  The problems of the nation and the world aren't going to be solved by a lot of whining and grumbling or fighting over differing opinions about what we think are solutions on a lottery discussion board. 

                  Most people anywhere aren't searching for strangers to tell them what the problems are with the way the country is running.  They already have plenty of people doing that a lot closer to home, though they aren't likely to change their dearly held opinions because of anything those might say, either.

                  I suppose all these puzzling anger-exchange, barely-disguised name-calling and moral-high-ground declarations on a site people go to for fun are probably just another symptom of how wrong we all sense things have become.  By allowing it to supercede every other facet of our lives we step onto the moving sidewalk of further polarization, more stereotyping, more compartmentalizing of those around us.

                  The concept of 'loyal opposition' used to be a valuable asset in this country and most people recognized it.  During the times when it slipped away for a while things got fairly tough and bloody.  The same as when it happened anywhere else on the planet.

                  The Lottery Party probably won't solve the problems of this land any better than they're likely to be solved by the people on the moral high ground calling one-another names and stereotyping one another as deficient in morals, character, hard work, intelligence and common sense.  The currents of history made sure of that when the people in the developing countries discovered they could put air conditioning in their homes and automobiles in their driveways by manufacturing products US and European consumers would willingly buy from them a few dollars cheaper than producing them within their own borders and keeping their own labor-forces working.  Those choices were made enough decades ago to put us all into the consequences phase of the experiment.

                  But at least the lottery party and the lottery have some potential for providing smiles while we watch the inevitable slide out of the future.

                  I think that most comments in this Lottery Party tread have managed to express their "loyal citizen opposition" to various issues without being ugly. This is an open forum that allows anyone to redirect the topic in any direction that pleases them within reason, and they have.

                  Did big business kill the parliamentary rule of having a Loyal Opposition? I think so. After you buy your lottery ticket, please tell us.

                  Democracies are fluid, so are the people that are needed to sustain the institution. Wherever thinking people can gather to discuss any aspect of the governance of their nation is a good place. Who can patently state that a lottery official hasn't seen our little poll and comments and it didn't give him/her pause when making policy decisions.

                  The lottery  has increasing become a part of our lives and I think that this forum is a perfect place to discuss the ramifications of uncheck usage of our $1.00. We are using this site for entertainment and cash.

                  If the lottery were tipped a little more towards the player/citizen, we would earn more of “OUR OWN MONEY.” The lottery Party could be our ombudsman, our union representative. We need more unions world-wide.   Please send me your dues today.

                  Most of this thread is peppered with jokes and irony. If nothing else, out of our busy day, some can say that they met a man/woman that buys lottery tickets by the side of the road and all he/she wanted to do was to play lotto and to be a friend to man.

                  Most of this thread is peppered with jokes and irony. If nothing else, out of our busy day, some can say that they met a man/woman that buys lottery tickets by the side of the road and all he/she wanted to do was to play lotto and be a friend to man.