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May 26, 2011, 2:00 pm

Playing with real world odds .....without luck or feelings.

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  How often ....and how many wins can you afford ?

Let's start at the top ....and work our way down.

You want to hit the number 100% of the time System.

OK......

A. play all 1000 straight online for $250 ......win $225.00

B.   Play all 220 boxes online for $55 and win ........37.50 single box or $75.00 double box.

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You want to make a *profit (most of the time)

Now then..... how many straight numbers (*according to the odds) can we safely filter from System A. and *average a profit ?

...... same question? for System B. box system.....

Well, the simple answer for System A. straight system ......is at the very least........ $ 25.25 worth of filters to start with...or about 100 straights.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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May 26, 2011, 3:16 pm

Ok...... here's one to start off with ......odds wise.

Never start off your straights the next day with the same digit as the draw before.

1. You can filter the first position digit out ...... 90% of the time and be safe. Odds wise (not a feeling) LOL .

Good for at least a...... 100 straight number filter each day!

Note:

you can actually do this for each position each day...... *just not at the same time and maintain the 90% safe filter odds. One position at a time is safe.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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May 27, 2011, 12:43 am

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on May 26, 2011
Ok...... here's one to start off with ......odds wise.

Never start off your straights the next day with the same digit as the draw before.

1. You can filter the first position digit out ...... 90% of the time and be safe. Odds wise (not a feeling) LOL .

Good for at least a...... 100 straight number filter each day!

Note:

you can actually do this for each position each day...... *just not at the same time and maintain the 90% safe filter odds. One position at a time is safe.

Good stuff WinD! Another gem from you.

90% is pretty good info. you are the best!

DD
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May 27, 2011, 10:42 am

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 27, 2011
Good stuff WinD! Another gem from you.

90% is pretty good info. you are the best!

DD

Thanks Delta .... I was hoping that we could all share some of our favorite stategies usingodds .....together. Doing a Solo wasn't the idea.

Everyone should know at least some of the math and odds behind their game. If they don't .....they really should...or otherwise how do you know if your plays are just lucky........or not?

Throw down on some of your methods ........based on the old tried and true odds of the game.

Remember....... "ODDS never change ....but probabilities do".

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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May 27, 2011, 1:59 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on May 27, 2011
Thanks Delta .... I was hoping that we could all share some of our favorite stategies usingodds .....together. Doing a Solo wasn't the idea.

Everyone should know at least some of the math and odds behind their game. If they don't .....they really should...or otherwise how do you know if your plays are just lucky........or not?

Throw down on some of your methods ........based on the old tried and true odds of the game.

Remember....... "ODDS never change ....but probabilities do".

I use much of your information and have nothing at this time of my own to contribute.

Your Percect Pairs are a real good work. Somewhere I worked out the the other complimenting Pairs to PP's.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165943

DD

"ODDS never change ....but probabilities do".
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May 29, 2011, 1:17 am

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 27, 2011
I use much of your information and have nothing at this time of my own to contribute.

Your Percect Pairs are a real good work. Somewhere I worked out the the other complimenting Pairs to PP's.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/165943

DD

"ODDS never change ....but probabilities do".

This is probably as good a place as any to address this issue.

I believe that the benefit of "covering" as many outcomes as you can afford is that it contributes to a higher "hit count" in whatever game you are playing. However, I also believe that your Expected Return in a game, the product of the probability of winning and the payoff if you do, will be unchanged by these methods over the long haul. I suspect we may not totally agree on this!

So, consider this:

Let's assume we both decide to buy ten $1 Pick3 straight tickets every day until we die. Let's also assume we're vampires and expect to live for a thousand more years!

You buy 10 [unique] QuickPicks, every day.

I buy the same 10 [identical] tickets, every day.

000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000

Now, I hope we can agree that over our long lifetimes, we should both hit with our straight win tickets, on average, once for every 1,000 tickets we buy. Let's assume further that we avoid the wooden stake and the silver bullet for 1,000 years and then sit down and compare our experiences.

We see that we both bought 3,650,000 tickets over that time span. (10*365*1000)

You look at your wins and see that you had 3,650 winning tickets, each one paying you $500, for a grand total of $1,825,000.

I look at my wins and discover that I, too, had 3,650 winners and the SAME grand total!

BUT, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN OUR RECORDS!

Your 3,650 wins were spread out over 3,650 different days since you purchased 10 different tickets each day, and therefore received only one $500 payoff on your winning days.

But in my case, since I bought 10 identical tickets each day, I only had winnings on 365 days, but raked in $5000 each time!

So, you won ten times as often as me, but when I won, I won ten times as much money!

The moral of the story is that vampires who live 1000 years playing $10 per day in Pick-3 have a choice: they can celebrate 3,650 $500 wins on 3,650 different days, OR, they can spend less time partying and only cash in 365 times, banking $5000 each time. Whatever method they choose, they walk away in the end with $1,825,00.

(Before replying, I hope it is remembered that there is no mention of a "system" here. This is a comparison of QuickPicks vs identical static bets.)
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May 29, 2011, 1:52 am

P.S. OOPS!

I just noticed you're assuming Online 90% payoffs here, so you'll have to adjust my calculations proportionally.

My conclusions are the same.
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May 29, 2011, 11:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 29, 2011
P.S. OOPS!

I just noticed you're assuming Online 90% payoffs here, so you'll have to adjust my calculations proportionally.

My conclusions are the same.

Hello jimmy......

Thanks for the interest and your post.....although the vampire visual make me a little nervous.

That vampire night life we have all heard about .....would cut our potential profits by at least 50% ! All that partying ....staying up late ...avoiding mirror numbers ...etc.

Being vampires ....we would be forced to play just the NIGHT games for a thousand years.......and lose all of our daytime midday profits. LOL

Of course.... if we played online we could play from home ...and the comfort of our dusty old sarcophagus ....then, just order take out. LOL

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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May 29, 2011, 11:21 am

Hi Win D:

I'm sticking the one up on each number and one down on each number, from the quick pick I purchase.

Case on 5/28/2011, I bought a quick pick, it was 165, midday.

276

165

054

I played these three numbers for the midday draw, 054 hit evening. :-( I played it midday.

Illinois played the "30 Day Date theory", April 28th, 2011 912, May 28th, 2011 192.

These ole school theories still work.

Good Luck.

Missouri pick 3, giving out humble pies!
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May 31, 2011, 2:58 am

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on May 26, 2011
Ok...... here's one to start off with ......odds wise.

Never start off your straights the next day with the same digit as the draw before.

1. You can filter the first position digit out ...... 90% of the time and be safe. Odds wise (not a feeling) LOL .

Good for at least a...... 100 straight number filter each day!

Note:

you can actually do this for each position each day...... *just not at the same time and maintain the 90% safe filter odds. One position at a time is safe.

Hey WinD, I have a few questions, if you would please.

“You can filter the first position digit” If 365 was drawn, the first position digit is 3 (izzat right?)

“odds wise” can you lay out the odds? What is the repeat for each position? 10%? What other odds information do you have that is related?

“Good for at least a 100 strait number filter each day!” Okay, you got me there. I don’t have a clue
what the 100 strait is and a number filter is. Does a number filter exclude a
number or include a number? Can you express this for me in a more fuller way like the “tips for
dummies” mode please? I do not doubt the information; I am not accustomed to
the terminology and cannot follow along to the point of understanding. Can you
give examples please using a 100 number filter that would follow the digits 365?

Thanks

DD
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Jun 3, 2011, 5:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 31, 2011
Hey WinD, I have a few questions, if you would please.

“You can filter the first position digit” If 365 was drawn, the first position digit is 3 (izzat right?)

“odds wise” can you lay out the odds? What is the repeat for each position? 10%? What other odds information do you have that is related?

“Good for at least a 100 strait number filter each day!” Okay, you got me there. I don’t have a clue
what the 100 strait is and a number filter is. Does a number filter exclude a
number or include a number? Can you express this for me in a more fuller way like the “tips for
dummies” mode please? I do not doubt the information; I am not accustomed to
the terminology and cannot follow along to the point of understanding. Can you
give examples please using a 100 number filter that would follow the digits 365?

Thanks

DD

Hi Delta ..... just saw your post.

Yes is the short answer .......it is about 10% of the time that a digit will repeat on top of itself the next draw. Which...means that yes you can get away with not repeating a digit like that about 90% of the time.

For example .....in Washington state..... from 5/2 until 6/2 your state only repeated in first postion..... 3 times in the last 30 draws. The digit 7 repeated 2 times....and the digit 3 only once. So...that is right on the money of 10% average. You would have been right ...90% of the time NOT to repeat the frist position digit that way. It works this way in all 3 positions of course.

Since there are 100 numbers that start with a digit 3.....and the last draw was 365 ......then that was the 100 straight number filter you ask about.

300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399

+++++++++++++++

You also ask about another useful odds filter ...or tip ... that could be used with success most of the time. Ok...here's a good one I think.

If your last draw was say .... 365 then you should play at least one of those 3 digits in the next draw. Just not in the same position.

Again, the odds will be with you MOST of the time on average.... and in this specific case .....the odds are 66% in your favor.

Note...

I did notice that in Wash state during the last month this was only about 51% of the time,, not 66% but that's ok.....it was still MOST of the time. It will happen on average around 66% of the time. So, to play the odds and use this rule you will still be right most of the time.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Jun 3, 2011, 6:31 pm

Here you are Delta ......

Here is another "Tip" filter that is good "MOST" of the time. It's good to use along with the 100, 200, or 300 straight DIGIT filters above ....or by itself.

Since the number drawn was 365..... or Short Sum #4 ...... 3+6+5 =14 or 4 We can use this additional 100 straights filter on the next draw. How ?

Sums will not repeat on top of themselves either ...... 90% of the time. So, here is an additional filter that will work for us MOST of the time.

*Again, using Wash State draws for the last month ..... a sum only repeated in the next draw just 3 times....10% making us right .....90% of the time NOT to repeat a sum.

Filter out Short Sum 4 for next draw.... ( The short sums chart can be found on my Blog here)

100 straights...sum 4

004, 013, 022, 031, 040, 059, 068, 077, 086, 095, 103, 112, 121, 130, 149, 158, 167, 176, 185, 194, 202, 211, 220, 239, 248, 257, 266, 275, 284, 293, 301, 310, 329, 338, 347, 356, 365, 374, 383, 392, 400, 419, 428, 437, 446, 455, 464, 473, 482, 491, 509, 518, 527, 536, 545, 554, 563, 572, 581, 590, 608, 617, 626, 635, 644, 653, 662, 671, 680, 699, 707, 716, 725, 734, 743, 752, 761, 770, 789, 798, 806, 815, 824, 833, 842, 851, 860, 879, 888, 897, 905, 914, 923, 932, 941, 950, 969, 978, 987, 996

...there would be some cross over numbers that would have already been filtered out at this point.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Jun 3, 2011, 10:38 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Jun 3, 2011
Hi Delta ..... just saw your post.

Yes is the short answer .......it is about 10% of the time that a digit will repeat on top of itself the next draw. Which...means that yes you can get away with not repeating a digit like that about 90% of the time.

For example .....in Washington state..... from 5/2 until 6/2 your state only repeated in first postion..... 3 times in the last 30 draws. The digit 7 repeated 2 times....and the digit 3 only once. So...that is right on the money of 10% average. You would have been right ...90% of the time NOT to repeat the frist position digit that way. It works this way in all 3 positions of course.

Since there are 100 numbers that start with a digit 3.....and the last draw was 365 ......then that was the 100 straight number filter you ask about.

300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399

+++++++++++++++

You also ask about another useful odds filter ...or tip ... that could be used with success most of the time. Ok...here's a good one I think.

If your last draw was say .... 365 then you should play at least one of those 3 digits in the next draw. Just not in the same position.

Again, the odds will be with you MOST of the time on average.... and in this specific case .....the odds are 66% in your favor.

Note...

I did notice that in Wash state during the last month this was only about 51% of the time,, not 66% but that's ok.....it was still MOST of the time. It will happen on average around 66% of the time. So, to play the odds and use this rule you will still be right most of the time.

"If your last draw was say .... 365 then you should play at least one of those 3 digits in the next draw. Just not in the same position. "

Then either 5 or 6 must be in the first digit position, 3 or 5 in the second, or 3 or 6 in the third. That's only 294 straight numbers without any other filters!
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Jun 4, 2011, 9:38 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 3, 2011
"If your last draw was say .... 365 then you should play at least one of those 3 digits in the next draw. Just not in the same position. "

Then either 5 or 6 must be in the first digit position, 3 or 5 in the second, or 3 or 6 in the third. That's only 294 straight numbers without any other filters!

Hi Stack....

It would be a great group of filters and the total reduction would be pretty large .....but the odds do change for more than one digit to return on the next draw in the SAME position as last draw.

As long as we are talking about each position.....one at a time.... it is true that each has a 90% chance of not repeating on top of it self ..individually.

However, when you look at more than one digit not returning in same spot...... it changes the odds. Don't get too discouraged though..... it does happen the way you filtered it ..... just not as good as 90%.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Jun 4, 2011, 10:22 pm

When .....NO DIGITS Return

Speaking of Really Big Filters...... here's a good one for those who like to play straights.... well oK... box players too.

This is a filter for draws where NO DIGITS Return...... that's a great way to start off your day.

During the 365 draws during the year...... we will get about 124 draws ...where no digits will return from the next draw.

So, about every 3rd draw...... NO Digits will return. When this happens we all of a sudden go from 1000 straights ....down to 343 straights!!

Before any other filters are used...... we are already within profit range. Nice way to start .... right off the bat .

Just 210 single number straights......... or if we want to focus on Doubles there are only 42 of those..... 42 Straight doubles that is.

Now, that's a reduction. Toss in that other filter .....of no Short sum repeating back to back 90% of the time.......and your in good shape for a straights play. That's another reduction on this specific method of 30+ straights etc etc.

* We're talking about a 81% ++ reduction in the amount of single number straights....and we didn't really even have to work at it.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d