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Posted: June 14, 2011, 11:06 pm - IP Logged

Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

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    Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

    In a word - no.


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      Posted: June 14, 2011, 11:54 pm - IP Logged

      Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

      I don't understand a word you just said.

      Huh?

      Let me go through that again...well, the title didn't help and neither did reading over it again.

      Blue Thinking

      Ok, I think I got it now...you want to know that since your prize was whittled down considerably by winning with a

      whole load of other players...could you lay claim to the higher second place prize? If you matched 6 numbers and won

      the jackpot prize....split or by yourself you can't claim the second place prize because you have the 5 of 6...the 6 of 6

      already won you the right to your fair share of the prize pool no matter how many people are in it with you. You can't

      opt for the better payout with having 5 within your 6 matching numbers.

      Imagine the headaches that would cause.

      And the upset too...if anyone could horn in on my 5/6 prize because they matched 6 and just happened to have the

      5 #'s in their match, I wouldn't be a happy lottery player.

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        Posted: June 15, 2011, 12:20 am - IP Logged

        Table,

        Along with what rdgrnr and dr65 said, the payout charts are very specific.

        5 + 1 is 5 + 1, not 5 + 0.

        Going by your scenario in the OP you would have all the prizes from having only the MM or PB number, up to the jackpot.

        It just doesn't work that way.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: June 15, 2011, 12:28 am - IP Logged

            Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

            Every states have contingency plans to limit their liability in case there are more winners than expected so why would they increase their liability by allowing players to collect more than they won.  The answer is NO.

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              Posted: June 15, 2011, 3:02 am - IP Logged

              i dont think its possible for the 2nd prize to be higher. here we wonce had 40+ people win div 1 and collected $6k ea. div 2 is 5 and 1 sup, so you didnt actually get the bonus ball, you got div 3 that would be 5 only . anyhow i dont recall the exact prize for div 2 but im sure it was in the $100's not the usual thousands

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                When you win a higher tier prize, even a jackpot, all the lower tier prizes below your win are considered to be in there.   So if you win a four number prize, the four three number prizes covered contribute their share to what you collect.    If there were ever a case where the jackpot was to split as to be lower than the average five number prize, you can be sure the five number prize for that draw would be what you'd normally collect for a four number prize.    It's all relative.

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                  Posted: June 15, 2011, 3:23 am - IP Logged

                  Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

                  The PA game rules for Powerball indicate a fixed $200,000 2nd tier prize, with the possibility of multiplying it up to $1M if you buy the $2 Powerplay ticket.

                  So, to me, it looks possible for the Jackpot to end up less than the 2nd prize.

                  I didn't read all the fine print, but I agree with RJOh that the lotteries would probably not pay more than the parimutel amount for the jackpots.

                  http://www.palottery.state.pa.us/payouts.aspx?id=450

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                    Posted: June 15, 2011, 8:53 am - IP Logged

                    Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

                    Don't go in with a bunch of other people, Be the lone Wolf.

                    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                    For a lead role in a cage?

                     

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                      Posted: June 15, 2011, 9:14 am - IP Logged

                      By the way, Welcome to lottery post Table, Happy winnings.

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                        Don't go in with a bunch of other people, Be the lone Wolf.

                        ridge read this and study this...Some good info for you to follow....

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                          Posted: June 15, 2011, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

                          "i dont think its possible for the 2nd prize to be higher. "

                          It's entirely possible; it's just very unlikely. Imagine that powerball reaches the cap and then rolls another couple of times. That would mean a cash jackpot of about $200 million, while the additional cash in the 2nd place prize pool could easily be over $100 million. Now imagine that the winning numbers, including the power ball, happen to match the numbers from a batch of fortune cookies and you've got 100 or more jackpot winners each collecting about $2 million in cash.  The recent $319 million MM jackpot resulted in 32 2nd place winners, and we could expect similar results for a very large PB drawing. That would result in each of the 2nd place winners collecting the standard 200k prize plus another $3 million or more from the bonus pool.

                          It would probably also happen with any of the most popular combinations that thousands of people play every drawing. How many jackpot winners would share the prize if 1,2,3,4,5 +6 was drawn? Even $200 million in cash is a small prize when you're one of 10,000 people sharing it. The only question in that case if if there are enough people who play 1,2,3,4,5 and a number other than 6 to result in the usual prize being reduced substantially.

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                            Posted: June 15, 2011, 2:00 pm - IP Logged

                            yeah but the 2nd tier prize will also inclue all the 12345+7, 12345 + 8, 12345+ 1 etc  and from what i can tell theres always about 50 more of them than the str8 6 numbers

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                              Posted: June 20, 2011, 8:19 am - IP Logged

                              Lets say you win the jackpot prize as well as a whole bunch of other people, and your share of the jackpot would actually be less than the secondary prize.  Is there any way you could claim the secondary prize, since you did match the 5 numbers?

                              Wouldn't it be nice if it worked that way and you are the winner of a portion of the jackpot? Sorry; that is not how the pay-off works. By having all 6 numbers; this would not qualify you for all of the lessor prize groups. Your prize will be the jackpot or a portion thereof. Good question for new lottery players.

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