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Posted: July 9, 2011, 6:01 am - IP Logged

Thank you very much for your quick answer... :)))

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    Posted: July 9, 2011, 10:37 am - IP Logged

    15-18 numbers only cover 5,005-18,564 of the 13,983,816 combinations of 6 in a pool of 49 numbers which is less than 2% of the possible combinations.  You're probably better off picking numbers from the whole pool and using rules you've found to be helpful over the years to eliminate combinations for a better chance at winning a jackpot.

    I never play combinations that have matched five or more in previous drawings and only play combinations with sums, digit counts and ranges with in the parameter of 95% of previous winning combinations just to mention a few rules I use.   Limiting the number of times numbers are used also limits the number of combinations generated which makes it easier to stay within budget.

    Hi again RJOh:

    I match often 4 numbers.Sometimes 5.You say that to cover 15 numbers "cost" max.18000 combinations.

    Apply to these combinations powerfull filtering and you have serious posibilities to suceed 5 numbers with 6 matched numbers, o suceed 6 numbers matching 6 numbers+Complementary.

    I am convinced that with 40 numbers is impossible to match 6 numbers with only 13 bets like you do.Maybe I´m wrong,but my experience says this.

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      Posted: July 9, 2011, 11:10 am - IP Logged

      With these numbers usually you -almost-always have 2-5 numbers suceed:

      3,4,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,20,21,22,24,26,27,28,30,32,33,35,36,39,40,42,44,45,49

      These are very eficcient numbers.

      Cheers

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        Posted: July 9, 2011, 1:16 pm - IP Logged

        Hi again RJOh:

        I match often 4 numbers.Sometimes 5.You say that to cover 15 numbers "cost" max.18000 combinations.

        Apply to these combinations powerfull filtering and you have serious posibilities to suceed 5 numbers with 6 matched numbers, o suceed 6 numbers matching 6 numbers+Complementary.

        I am convinced that with 40 numbers is impossible to match 6 numbers with only 13 bets like you do.Maybe I´m wrong,but my experience says this.

        From my experience you're right but the thrill of matching 4 for $70 once in a while wouldn't make up for the disappointments of spending more and winning nothing so many time.  Everyone has to find their comfort zone when deciding how much they want to spend/lose playing lotteries and right now that's $10-$20/game for me.  That may change in the future depending on my confidence of my chance of winning one of the top prizes.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: July 9, 2011, 1:33 pm - IP Logged

          I´m right with you.24 bets of bonoloto have a cost of 12 euros.Similar to you.

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            Posted: July 9, 2011, 4:40 pm - IP Logged

            I generated 14 lines for tonight's drawing allowing numbers to be used twice and decided to go for three which generated 23 lines so I may bet all 23 lines which include all the numbers except 24.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: July 9, 2011, 8:51 pm - IP Logged

              In a 6/49 game there are 18,424 diffrent 3 ball combinations, no more no less

              When you place a bet of 6 numbers you cover 20 of them

              So  (20 / 18,424) * 100 = 0.10855% of the total 3 ball combinations covered with 1 ticket

               

              Now you play 15 numbers, there are 455 possible 3 ball combinations in 15 numbers and there are 18,424 combinations to choose from in the pool of 49

              So if you covered all 455 combos at a cost of £455 (455 / 18,424) * 100 = 2.4696%  of the winning 3 ball combinations

              However you arrange your 15 numbers on your 24 tickets you will find that you can never cover more than 2.4696% of the 18,424 combinations

              So when placing your bet if you dont repeat any 3 ball combinations on any of your tickets it is possibly to cover 2.46960%  of the winning 3 ball combinations

              Heres a wheel to cover all the 480 possible for the 24 tickets you place, you can't improve on this

              01 02 03 06 07 09
              01 03 08 13 17 21
              01 04 06 12 17 22
              01 04 07 13 16 23
              01 04 09 14 20 24
              01 06 10 13 19 24
              01 07 08 11 22 24
              01 07 10 12 15 21
              01 08 09 12 18 19
              02 03 05 11 17 22
              02 03 08 14 16 19
              02 03 10 13 15 20
              02 05 07 13 18 24
              02 05 09 14 21 23
              02 07 08 12 17 20
              02 09 10 12 16 22
              03 04 05 06 13 14
              03 04 07 10 17 24
              04 08 11 14 17 18
              04 10 12 14 19 23
              05 06 07 10 20 22
              05 06 08 09 16 17
              05 08 11 13 19 20
              06 07 11 13 15 17

              3 Ball combos = 480 out of 480 possible from 24 tickets 100.0000%
              4 Ball combos = 360 out of 360 possible from 24 tickets 100.0000%
              5 Ball combos = 144 out of 144 possible from 24 tickets 100.0000%
              6 Ball combos = 24 out of 24 possible from 24 tickets 100.0000%

              Total ways to win = 1008 / 1008 possible from 24 tickets 100.00%

              3 Ball combos covered in 24 numbers = 480 out of 2024 :  23.715415%
              4 Ball combos covered in 24 numbers = 360 out of 10626 :  3.387916%
              5 Ball combos covered in 24 numbers = 144 out of 42504 :  0.338792%
              6 Ball combos covered in 24 numbers = 24 out of 134596 :  0.017831%
              Total ways to win = 1008 / 189750 combinations in 24 numbers 0.531225%
              Balls Used = 24 out of 24

              ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              Heres a wheel to cover all 3 ball combinations using 15 numbers

              01 02 05 06 07 08
              01 02 09 10 11 12
              01 03 04 05 09 13
              01 03 06 10 14 15
              02 03 04 07 11 14
              02 03 08 12 13 15
              04 05 06 11 12 15
              04 07 08 09 10 15
              05 07 10 12 13 14
              06 08 09 11 13 14

              3 Ball combos = 200 out of 200 possible from 10 tickets 100.0000%
              4 Ball combos = 150 out of 150 possible from 10 tickets 100.0000%
              5 Ball combos = 60 out of 60 possible from 10 tickets 100.0000%
              6 Ball combos = 10 out of 10 possible from 10 tickets 100.0000%

              Total ways to win = 420 / 420 possible from 10 tickets 100.00%

              3 Ball combos covered in 15 numbers = 200 out of 455 :  43.956044%
              4 Ball combos covered in 15 numbers = 150 out of 1365 :  10.989011%
              5 Ball combos covered in 15 numbers = 60 out of 3003 :  1.998002%
              6 Ball combos covered in 15 numbers = 10 out of 5005 :  0.199800%
              Total ways to win = 420 / 9828 combinations in 15 numbers 4.273504%
              Balls Used = 15 out of 15

              It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

              There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                Posted: July 9, 2011, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

                Thanks a lot "Developer",for your very very complet information.

                But personally, I prefer filtering than wheeling.If you can predict numbers so well like wheeling them,you must be a genius.

                thanks again for your interest.You are great.

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                  Posted: July 10, 2011, 12:42 pm - IP Logged

                  A 6/49 wheel with 163 lines that guarantees a match 3 has been long established.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    Posted: July 10, 2011, 1:30 pm - IP Logged

                    A 6/49 wheel with 163 lines that guarantees a match 3 has been long established.

                    RJOh , in Developer´s mail does not speak itself of a wheel of 49  numbers.

                    In addition,the first part of the mail needs  of big knowledge of mathematics

                    and lotteries.

                    Cheers

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                      Posted: July 10, 2011, 5:38 pm - IP Logged

                      Could you point me to this wheel, I would find it great fun ripping apart and proving I could substantially increase the odds on it.

                       I am sad like that, I have yet to find a wheel anywhere that I did not create which I can't improve the odds on, this is because I understand how to make wheels 100% efficient, I spent a long time working it out.

                      So please send a link and I will post back an improved version.

                       

                      If I can't improve it I will give you a free copy of my software......

                       

                      Jamie

                      It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

                      There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                        Posted: July 10, 2011, 6:43 pm - IP Logged

                        http://homepage.ntlworld.com/honest.john/03060649.txt
                        49/6/3/6=163 by Dragan Stojiljkovic & Rade Belic
                         
                         
                         1  2  5 11 12 25
                         1  2 14 22 26 27
                         1  3  4 12 20 27
                         1  3  5 18 19 22
                         1  3  6 13 16 19
                         1  3  7 17 21 25
                         1  3  8 11 17 22
                         1  3  9 13 18 23
                         1  3 10 13 15 24
                         1  4  5 11 14 21
                         1  4 12 17 20 22
                         1  5  7 11 20 26
                         1  5 10 11 13 27
                         1  6  8 11 15 23
                         1  6 15 17 23 27
                         1  7 21 22 25 27
                         1  8  9 10 16 17
                         1  8  9 17 19 24
                         1  8 16 17 18 24
                         2  3  5 14 17 26
                         2  3  8 12 22 25
                         2  4  6  7 15 16
                         2  4  7  8 14 19
                         2  4  7  9 18 24
                         2  4  7 10 13 20
                         2  4  7 11 23 25
                         2  6  9 14 24 26
                         2  6 10 18 20 21
                         2  8 11 13 20 21
                         2  9 15 19 20 21
                         2 10 11 12 21 26
                         2 10 12 19 23 25
                         2 12 13 17 25 27
                         2 14 15 16 18 26
                         2 16 20 21 23 24
                         3  4  5 12 17 20
                         3  4  8 14 21 22
                         3  5  7 21 25 27
                         3  6  8 13 17 23
                         3  6 11 15 23 27
                         3  7  8 20 22 26
                         3  9 10 11 16 27
                         3  9 15 16 19 24
                         3 11 18 19 24 27
                         4  5 12 20 22 27
                         4  6  9 12 20 24
                         4  6 10 18 25 26
                         4  8 11 13 25 26
                         4  8 12 21 23 26
                         4  9 15 19 25 26
                         4 10 14 19 21 23
                         4 12 15 16 18 20
                         4 13 14 17 21 27
                         4 16 23 24 25 26
                         5  6  8 16 19 27
                         5  6  9 13 15 22
                         5  6 10 22 23 24
                         5  7 17 21 22 25
                         5  8  9 18 23 27
                         5  8 10 15 24 27
                         5  9 10 13 16 22
                         5 11 13 18 19 24
                         5 13 15 16 22 23
                         6  7  9 21 24 25
                         6  7 10 12 14 18
                         6  8  9 10 22 23
                         6  9 14 16 20 25
                         6 10 17 18 19 23
                         6 11 16 17 19 22
                         6 12 15 21 24 26
                         7  8 11 12 13 14
                         7  9 12 14 15 19
                         7 10 19 20 23 26
                         7 12 13 19 21 26
                         7 12 14 16 23 24
                         7 13 17 20 26 27
                         7 15 16 18 21 25
                         8 10 14 20 21 25
                         8 10 15 17 18 19
                         9 11 17 18 22 23
                         9 12 16 18 21 26
                        10 11 15 17 22 24
                        11 12 14 19 20 25
                        13 14 20 23 25 26
                        13 18 19 22 24 27
                        14 15 18 20 24 25
                        28 29 30 31 32 33
                        28 29 34 35 36 37
                        28 29 38 39 40 41
                        28 29 42 43 44 45
                        28 29 46 47 48 49
                        28 30 34 38 42 46
                        28 30 35 39 43 47
                        28 30 36 40 44 48
                        28 30 37 41 45 49
                        28 31 34 39 44 49
                        28 31 35 38 45 48
                        28 31 36 41 42 47
                        28 31 37 40 43 46
                        28 32 34 40 45 47
                        28 32 35 41 44 46
                        28 32 36 38 43 49
                        28 32 37 39 42 48
                        28 33 34 41 43 48
                        28 33 35 40 42 49
                        28 33 36 39 45 46
                        28 33 37 38 44 47
                        29 30 34 39 45 48
                        29 30 35 38 44 49
                        29 30 36 41 43 46
                        29 30 37 40 42 47
                        29 31 34 38 43 47
                        29 31 35 39 42 46
                        29 31 36 40 45 49
                        29 31 37 41 44 48
                        29 32 34 41 42 49
                        29 32 35 40 43 48
                        29 32 36 39 44 47
                        29 32 37 38 45 46
                        29 33 34 40 44 46
                        29 33 35 41 45 47
                        29 33 36 38 42 48
                        29 33 37 39 43 49
                        30 31 34 35 40 41
                        30 31 36 37 38 39
                        30 31 42 43 48 49
                        30 31 44 45 46 47
                        30 32 34 37 43 44
                        30 32 35 36 42 45
                        30 32 38 41 47 48
                        30 32 39 40 46 49
                        30 33 34 36 47 49
                        30 33 35 37 46 48
                        30 33 38 40 43 45
                        30 33 39 41 42 44
                        31 32 34 36 46 48
                        31 32 35 37 47 49
                        31 32 38 40 42 44
                        31 32 39 41 43 45
                        31 33 34 37 42 45
                        31 33 35 36 43 44
                        31 33 38 41 46 49
                        31 33 39 40 47 48
                        32 33 34 35 38 39
                        32 33 36 37 40 41
                        32 33 42 43 46 47
                        32 33 44 45 48 49
                        34 35 42 44 47 48
                        34 35 43 45 46 49
                        34 36 38 41 44 45
                        34 36 39 40 42 43
                        34 37 38 40 48 49
                        34 37 39 41 46 47
                        35 36 38 40 46 47
                        35 36 39 41 48 49
                        35 37 38 41 42 43
                        35 37 39 40 44 45
                        36 37 42 44 46 49
                        36 37 43 45 47 48
                        38 39 42 45 47 49
                        38 39 43 44 46 48
                        40 41 42 45 46 48
                        40 41 43 44 47 49

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          Posted: July 11, 2011, 5:38 am - IP Logged

                          1500 people have seen these posts,but only 4 or 5 are proposing ideas.Is very sad.

                          Its impossible to get succees with a lot of people looking and 4 or 5 trying to give ideas.

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                            Posted: July 11, 2011, 7:45 am - IP Logged

                            1500 people have seen these posts,but only 4 or 5 are proposing ideas.Is very sad.

                            Its impossible to get succees with a lot of people looking and 4 or 5 trying to give ideas.

                            In addition to single number analysis, it will be quite informative to analyze a combination of the numbers drawn by placing them into groups of 2s, 3s, and 4s thus creating pair analysis, triad analysis, and quad analysis.

                            A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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                              1500 people have seen these posts,but only 4 or 5 are proposing ideas.Is very sad.

                              Its impossible to get succees with a lot of people looking and 4 or 5 trying to give ideas.

                              Traditionally, members have been more willing to share ideas about winning number games because they have fixed payouts that aren't effected by the number of winners while jackpot games are pari-mutuel and some fear ideas shared could effect their winnings if they ever work.  I personally feel that's unlikely because players aren't likely to come up with the same combinations even if they pick their numbers in similarly ways.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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