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# Is This Secret Worth IT?

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homeland security
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Game of Relativity!

In the California fantasy 5 lottery, I discovered this anomoly! Maybe it's worth researching, or someone else already researched it, nevertheless.  If you research position of numbers, and disregard randomness, this coordinate (1,4) happens 537 times.  What is coordinate (1,4)?  If you take any game played in the California fantasy5 Lottery, i.e., game 6021, lets say this game had winning numbers, listed from least to greatest as 17-24-25-28-39.  In the first position among the five positions is the number 17.

(position, relative game) -> (3,10) -> (position 3, go 10 games back from relative current game)

Now to explain the coordinate (1,4) for the first position. Lets say game 6021 is the current game will be played tonight! If you count the last  4 previous games and stay in position 1, whatever number is in that position would have played for game 6021. So in other words the number 17 was in position 1 in game 6017.  Other coordinates for position 1 in the California fantasy 5 lottery is (1,207) this happened 529 times, (1,159) happened 528 times.

I've got plenty of coordinates for the rest of the positions, but I will say position 1 and position 5 have reoccurences in the 500's.  I don't know if this is a viable discovery, but feel free to comment.. How can this help us gain an advantage?

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Game of Relativity!

In the California fantasy 5 lottery, I discovered this anomoly! Maybe it's worth researching, or someone else already researched it, nevertheless.  If you research position of numbers, and disregard randomness, this coordinate (1,4) happens 537 times.  What is coordinate (1,4)?  If you take any game played in the California fantasy5 Lottery, i.e., game 6021, lets say this game had winning numbers, listed from least to greatest as 17-24-25-28-39.  In the first position among the five positions is the number 17.

(position, relative game) -> (3,10) -> (position 3, go 10 games back from relative current game)

Now to explain the coordinate (1,4) for the first position. Lets say game 6021 is the current game will be played tonight! If you count the last  4 previous games and stay in position 1, whatever number is in that position would have played for game 6021. So in other words the number 17 was in position 1 in game 6017.  Other coordinates for position 1 in the California fantasy 5 lottery is (1,207) this happened 529 times, (1,159) happened 528 times.

I've got plenty of coordinates for the rest of the positions, but I will say position 1 and position 5 have reoccurences in the 500's.  I don't know if this is a viable discovery, but feel free to comment.. How can this help us gain an advantage?

How can it be a Secret if it's freely available for anyone to Discover?

If the 2 numbers are 01 & 39: Then the CA-F5 (5/39) becomes a (3/37) Game. ***advantage***

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Coordinate could be helpful if we can see it far back by position, and use them to track the history to see its usefullness.

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i have plenty of coordinates, and they go way back for each position, however, the history for positions 2,3, and 4 gets narrow.  The coordinates I discover there only reaches up to 200 + or - 50. I know some people here will shoot the idea down, but it's just a thought

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How can it be a Secret if it's freely available for anyone to Discover?

If the 2 numbers are 01 & 39: Then the CA-F5 (5/39) becomes a (3/37) Game. ***advantage***

5/39: 575757 Combinations

3/37: 007770 Combinations

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If I am reading your correctly you will have five co-ordinates such as (1,6), (2,9), (3,16), 4(8), (5,1) after each game.

The first number within the parenthesis will be the position and the second number would be the number of games back until that number in that position repeated.

May I suggest you discard the first number and retain the number of games back.  Going by the number of games back would be tantamount to finding a second source of numbers.  This second source would not be subjected to the same rules of randomness as the actual drawn numbers but would be tied, however weakly, to when the number repeated.

There is a drawback to this idea.  That drawback being, you will, at some point in the future, find yourself with the same number appearing twice.  This would not present a problem should you expand your data with other filters/patterns.

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thanks man Gasmeterguy for your input as I have already converted the coordinates; however, it's like a needle in hay-stack finding the perfect combinations

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thanks man Gasmeterguy for your input as I have already converted the coordinates; however, it's like a needle in hay-stack finding the perfect combinations

You won't find a perfect combo right off the bat, you MIGHT find a good combo of two or three numbers, and all the rest is pure dumb luck.

GMG is correct on looking at 'numbers' back, more often than not, two or more of the WB's that hit are ones that have not hit in 10+ games.

No, that is not a 100% fact, but 74% of the time over the last 100 games it is.

There are a ton of tendencies, anomalies, that people SHOULD notice but don't.

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thanks man Gasmeterguy for your input as I have already converted the coordinates; however, it's like a needle in hay-stack finding the perfect combinations

OK, then you should start looking for that needle.

Here is a question you should be able to answer.  Using the Games Back numbers only, how often is there a repeated number?

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a most repeated number happened about 400 times; however, that's not important because the numbers that repeated most, were the same numbers that had repeated most through out the entire history of the game.. So I guess this information that I have is redundant.

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a most repeated number happened about 400 times; however, that's not important because the numbers that repeated most, were the same numbers that had repeated most through out the entire history of the game.. So I guess this information that I have is redundant.

You stated that a repeated number happened about 400 times.  What is the total number of times?  If you have 400 draws and a "games back" number repeated 400 times, then you have a 100% pattern with which to work.

You might consider the fact there are repeat numbers not important but there are a few on this site that would not.

The fact there are repeat numbers can limit the field.  If the ratio is higher than 50%, then you should consider including at least one repeat number in your predictions.  Now you will still have hundreds of thousands of possibilities so you must add a little more to your search for that needle in a haystack.

Here is another question you should be able to answer.  Is the sum of all your numbers odd or even?  How many odd?  How many even?  What is the ratio?

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Your getting way to complicated in predictions . Simplify the system . You dont need all the draw  history for predicitions .....The only time I use a large draw ( 300 - 500 ) history is for my sum totals and target range ... Some people say use the last 300 or 500 draws , i say no to many variables have changed in the past draws since  the most recent draw ...

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I don't know if this is progress, but thus far, I have narrowed a number down within a group of five numbers that usually hit. For example, let say I pick 5,12, 30, 33, 34.  Usually just one of those numbers out of that group usually hits in the next game.  Call me greedy, but I want the rest of the 4 numbers.  I'm testing my theory in a 20 trial game run. Will post results after testing.  I only sample back to the last 20 games, to eliminate variables as Cajunwin4 says.  Needle where are u?