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# All groups are not equal ...at least they don't play that way.

Topic closed. 29 replies. Last post 7 years ago by garyo1954.

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Stone Mountain*Georgia
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 Posted: October 23, 2011, 3:19 pm - IP Logged

Each of the 7 groups contains 10 boxes or 60 straights ....singles. Totals of either 70 boxes or 420 straights. That's as a group however.  A group regardless of repeats. There are 16 repeats ........ 16 box repeats and 96 straight repeats......within the entire group looking at it as one group.

If we count all 7 groups as one group...... we only have 54 boxes......and/or.... 320 straights.  Tracked as 7 seperate ....its still is 70/420

I'm looking at each group of 7 .....as a seperate group regardless of repeats..... each as a 10/60 group.

Just as a Fyi..

I have actually tracked that group for several years. I call it the "ALL THAT" group.  54 box or 320 straights ......math hit rate of... 3.09

The other side of the coin I track as well..... I call it the " ALL Nothing" group. 66 box or 396 straights           ......math hit rate of ...2.53

Thats as close to a 50/50 as I could get it back then..... and .....neither group has any repeats.  A good trap to catch them being bad sometimes.

ALL NOTHING GRoup ...66 box // 396 straights

037, 127, 136, 145, 235, 389, 479, 038, 047, 056,

146, 236, 245, 489, 039, 057, 138, 147, 156, 237,

049, 058, 067, 148, 238, 247, 256, 059, 149, 158,

167, 239, 257, 069, 078, 168, 249, 258, 267, 348,

015, 079, 169, 178, 259, 349, 358, 016, 025, 269,

278, 368, 458, 017, 035, 125, 279, 369, 378, 459,

027, 036, 045, 126, 469, 478

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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 Posted: October 23, 2011, 3:26 pm - IP Logged

Help .....  I thought at first this was the 60 straight versions of "ALL Even" like it says up there.......but then I saw it had a lot of repeat box all evens and included some All odds too so now I am mixed up.

But..... I might be getting close. Let me track them as the " ALL Group "  putting them all together. Put all 7 groups together and see what happens then.  Hmmmm

Thanks Raven !

I think this is more what you are looking for Win D:

024 042 204 240 402 420 026 062 206 260
602 620 028 082 208 280 802 820 046 064
406 460 604 640 048 084 408 480 804 840
068 086 608 680 806 860 246 264 426 462
624 642 248 284 428 482 824 842 268 286
628 682 826 862 468 486 648 684 846 864

Haven't run the totals yet. I'll get all the sets together and do it this evening.

The consecutive number set shows 339 straight/box hits in Texas Pick 3 evening.

more later....

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Turned out to be way too easy to find the sets. (5 digit wheel)

If we all agree, the real work begins.

Even
024 042 204 240 402 420 026 062 206 260
602 620 028 082 208 280 802 820 046 064
406 460 604 640 048 084 408 480 804 840
068 086 608 680 806 860 246 264 426 462
624 642 248 284 428 482 824 842 268 286
628 682 826 862 468 486 648 684 846 864

Odd
135 153 315 351 513 531 137 173 317 371
713 731 139 193 319 391 913 931 157 175
517 571 715 751 159 195 519 591 915 951
179 197 719 791 917 971 357 375 537 573
735 753 359 395 539 593 935 953 379 397
739 793 937 973 579 597 759 795 957 975

Out
012 021 102 120 201 210 018 081 108 180
801 810 019 091 109 190 901 910 028 082
208 280 802 820 029 092 209 290 902 920
089 098 809 890 908 980 128 182 218 281
812 821 129 192 219 291 912 921 189 198
819 891 918 981 289 298 829 892 928 982

In
345 354 435 453 534 543 346 364 436 463
634 643 347 374 437 473 734 743 356 365
536 563 635 653 357 375 537 573 735 753
367 376 637 673 736 763 456 465 546 564
645 654 457 475 547 574 745 754 467 476
647 674 746 764 567 576 657 675 756 765

Low
012 021 102 120 201 210 013 031 103 130
301 310 014 041 104 140 401 410 023 032
203 230 302 320 024 042 204 240 402 420
034 043 304 340 403 430 123 132 213 231
312 321 124 142 214 241 412 421 134 143
314 341 413 431 234 243 324 342 423 432

High
567 576 657 675 756 765 568 586 658 685
856 865 569 596 659 695 956 965 578 587
758 785 857 875 579 597 759 795 957 975
589 598 859 895 958 985 678 687 768 786
867 876 679 697 769 796 967 976 689 698
869 896 968 986 789 798 879 897 978 987

Consecutive
012 019 021 089 091 098 102 109 120 123
132 190 201 210 213 231 234 243 312 321
324 342 345 354 423 432 435 453 456 465
534 543 546 564 567 576 645 654 657 675
678 687 756 765 768 786 789 798 809 867
876 879 890 897 901 908 910 978 980 987

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 Posted: October 23, 2011, 3:56 pm - IP Logged

Hi garyo...... while we're at it ....how about we think about how to best cut up the "ALL NOTHing" Group ......the 66/396 side of the coin.

66  all nothing box

037, 127, 136, 145, 235, 389, 479, 038, 047, 056,  =  ??

146, 236, 245, 489, 039, 057, 138, 147, 156, 237,

049, 058, 067, 148, 238, 247, 256, 059, 149, 158,

167, 239, 257, 069, 078, 168, 249, 258, 267, 348,

015, 079, 169, 178, 259, 349, 358, 016, 025, 269,

278, 368, 458, 017, 035, 125, 279, 369, 378, 459,

027, 036, 045, 126, 469, 478

396  all nothing straights

015  016  017  025  027  035  036  037  038  039  045  047  049  051  052  053  054  056  057  058  059  061  063  065  067  069  071  072  073  074  075  076  078  079  083  085  087  093  094  095  096  097  105  106  107  125  126  127  136  138  145  146  147  148  149  150  152  154  156  158  160  162  163  164  165  167  168  169  170  172  174  176  178  183  184  185  186  187  194  196  205  207  215  216  217  235  236  237  238  239  245  247  249  250  251  253  254  256  257  258  259  261  263  265  267  269  270  271  273  274  275  276  278  279  283  285  287  293  294  295  296  297  305  306  307  308  309  316  318  325  326  327  328  329  348  349  350  352  358  360  361  362  368  369  370  372  378  380  381  382  384  385  386  387  389  390  392  394  396  398  405  407  409  415  416  417  418  419  425  427  429  438  439  450  451  452  458  459  461  469  470  471  472  478  479  481  483  485  487  489  490  491  492  493  495  496  497  498  501  502  503  504  506  507  508  509  510  512  514  516  518  520  521  523  524  526  527  528  529  530  532  538  540  541  542  548  549  560  561  562  570  572  580  581  582  583  584  590  592  594  601  603  605  607  609  610  612  613  614  615  617  618  619  621  623  625  627  629  630  631  632  638  639  641  649  650  651  652  670  671  672  681  683  690  691  692  693  694  701  702  703  704  705  706  708  709  710  712  714  716  718  720  721  723  724  725  726  728  729  730  732  738  740  741  742  748  749  750  752  760  761  762  780  781  782  783  784  790  792  794  803  805  807  813  814  815  816  817  823  825  827  830  831  832  834  835  836  837  839  841  843  845  847  849  850  851  852  853  854  861  863  870  871  872  873  874  893  894  903  904  905  906  907  914  916  923  924  925  926  927  930  932  934  936  938  940  941  942  943  945  946  947  948  950  952  954  960  961  962  963  964  970  972  974  983  984

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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 Posted: October 24, 2011, 12:50 pm - IP Logged

Trying to make some sense of the sets and totals......

The Consecutive set (012 019 089 123 234 345 456 567 678 789) average 5.65 STRAIGHT hits  in Texas. The set averages 33.9 hits BOXED.

Even set (0,2,4,6,8,) is the same.

Odd set (1,3,5,7,9) average 5.5 straight and 33 boxed.

High set (5,6,7,8,9) average 6.1 straight and 36.7 boxed.

Low set(0,1,2,3,4) average 5.6 straight and 33.6 boxed.

In set (3,4,5,6,7,8) average 5.76 straight and 34.6 boxed.

Out set (0,1,2,8,9) average 5.4 straight and 32.4 boxed.

Ranking the sets in Texas on the basis of best producers

1) High set (5,6,7,8,9) 367 total hits in 5634 draws

2) In set (3,4,5,6,7) 346 total in 5634 draws

3) Even (0,2,4,6,8) and Consecutive Set (tie) 339 total hits

4) Low set (0,1,2,3,4) 336 total hits

5) Odd set (1,3,5,7,9) 330 total hits

6) Out set (0,1,2,8,9) 324 total hits

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Went ahead and put all 7 sets and calculations into an Excel file which can be downloaded from:

http://www.box.net/shared/z2zetminpe82fhp6qpoh

The first set columns are in numerical order showing the Straights and Box hits.

The second set of columns have been sorted by the set that produce the most Straight hits.

The third set of columns have been sorted by the sets that produce the most Box hits minus the straight hits for each individual set of three numbers.

For those wanting Box hits only, use the =Sum function in Excel adding the Str hits and Box hits.

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Went ahead and put all 7 sets and calculations into an Excel file which can be downloaded from:

http://www.box.net/shared/z2zetminpe82fhp6qpoh

The first set columns are in numerical order showing the Straights and Box hits.

The second set of columns have been sorted by the set that produce the most Straight hits.

The third set of columns have been sorted by the sets that produce the most Box hits minus the straight hits for each individual set of three numbers.

For those wanting Box hits only, use the =Sum function in Excel adding the Str hits and Box hits.

I'm going to be posting an update to this file later. The reason is the way these set totals are determined don't add up to the ACTUAL TOTALS from the results. The actual draws only show 50 Ascending Consecutive combinations (012, 123, 345, etc), 50 Descending Consecutive combinations (543, 432, 321, etc) and 178 Random Consecutive combinations (312, 465, 768, etc). If that is true, then there is only 278 consective combinations in the entire 5635 draws in Texas.

My mistake appears to be in using the box totals to make the calculations. Once I get some sleep, I'll have a better idea.

Hang in there.

g'night!

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Sleep deprivation error......lol

The new spreadsheet was not taking into account combinations for 089 and 910 as consecutive.

The original counts are right for Texas.

Sorry for any confusion. My mistake.

Now back to work.

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Sleep deprivation error......lol

The new spreadsheet was not taking into account combinations for 089 and 910 as consecutive.

The original counts are right for Texas.

Sorry for any confusion. My mistake.

Now back to work.

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Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new  ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

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Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new  ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

That Group may be related to Orphan Pairs: (20)

03 07 14 18 25 29 30 36 41 47 52 58 63 69 70 74 81 85 92 96

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Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new  ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

So if you use Paurths Pick 3 Wheel Engine and Filter Out:

All Low, All High, All Even, All Odd, All In, All Out...

You're left with 80 Boxed Combinations:

Singles: (66)
015, 016, 017, 025, 027, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 045, 047, 049, 056, 057, 058, 059, 067, 069, 078, 079, 125, 126, 127, 136, 138, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 156, 158, 167, 168, 169, 178, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 247, 249, 256, 257, 258, 259, 267, 269, 278, 279, 348, 349, 358, 368, 369, 378, 389, 458, 459, 469, 478, 479, 489

Doubles: (14)
005, 007, 116, 225, 227, 338, 449, 055, 255, 166, 077, 277, 388, 499

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Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new  ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

If you use Paurths Pick 3 Wheel Enge and Filter Out:

All Low, All High, All Even, All Odd...

Singles: (82)
015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 025, 027, 029, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 045, 047, 049, 056, 057, 058, 059, 067, 069, 078, 079, 089, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 136, 138, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 156, 158, 167, 168, 169, 178, 189, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 247, 249, 256, 257, 258, 259, 267, 269, 278, 279, 289, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 356, 358, 367, 368, 369, 378, 389, 456, 457, 458, 459, 467, 469, 478, 479, 489

Doubles: (26)
005, 007, 009, 116, 118, 225, 227, 229, 336, 338, 445, 447, 449, 055, 255, 455, 166, 366, 077, 277, 477, 188, 388, 099, 299, 499

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Hello Raven,

Still working on this idea. Here's a short portion of the chart designed to help identify some of these patterns. Call it in the works, since it is a derivative of personal programs I've use on Pick 3.

 867 57 1515 4056 21 3 1 694 678 1362 1322 2 1 3 0 50 50 178 Ou In In Cl Cl St 642 57 1515 4057 12 3 2 694 679 1362 1322 3 0 1 2 50 50 178 In In Ou Cl St Op 688 57 1516 4057 22 4 2 694 679 1362 1322 3 0 3 0 50 50 178 In Ou Ou Cl Cl Cl 316 57 1516 4058 10 1 0 694 679 1363 1322 1 2 1 2 50 50 178 In Ou In Op St Cl 578 57 1516 4059 20 2 0 695 679 1363 1322 1 2 3 0 50 50 178 In In Ou Op St Cl 224 57 1517 4059 8 8 8 695 679 1363 1322 3 0 0 3 50 50 178 Ou Ou In Op Op St 238 57 1517 4060 13 4 3 696 679 1363 1322 2 1 1 2 50 50 178 Ou In Ou Op Op Cl 339 57 1518 4060 15 6 5 696 679 1363 1322 0 3 1 2 50 50 178 In In Ou Op Op Cl 350 57 1518 4061 8 8 8 696 679 1363 1323 1 2 1 2 50 50 178 In In Ou Op Op Cl 236 57 1518 4062 11 2 1 697 679 1363 1323 2 1 1 2 50 50 178 Ou In In Op Op Cl Dr Tr Dbl Sing Sum Root LDR Up Down LM HM Even Odd High Low Asc Dsc Rnd N1 N2 N3 N1 N2 N3

This is the last ten draws of the Texas Evening game. Most of the columns are self explanatory: Draw, Triples, Doubles, Singles, Sum, Root, Last Digit Root, etc. Up is any 3 digit set from low to high like 238, 157, 149, etc. Down is the opposite, numbers going high to low 642, 531, 940, etc. Then you have Low Middle, lowest number sandwiched between two hight numbers. And High Middle, highest number between two lows. Even/Odd and High/Low, nothing new. Asc/Dsc/Rnd column counts CONSECUTIVE NUMBERS ONLY. Asc is low to high. Dsc is high to low. Rnd is three consecutive in mixed order. Finally, I've added the Out/In and Open Closed/Straight columns for each digit.

As I go through this I'm thinking there are some things that may not be necessary, some things I need to add, and likely things that need change.

I'm supposing I could drop the Root column since most use the Last Digit Root now.

I love numbers, but numbers don't change much. I'm considering replacing most of the numerical data with TEXT. T for triple, D for D, S, for single, etc. The counts for Even/Odd, High/Low should be TEXT. The In/Out and Open/Close/Straight....wow. It It seems logical to know how these digits are falling individually, but appears just as important to know how the set as a whole produces.

Any thoughts?

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Here is a different type chart. In this one I've replaced all the numbers with text blocks.

 632 SN 11 2 1 D x EOE HLL x Noset IIO COO 696 DL 21 3 1 x HM EOE High x x OIO ClSet 867 SN 21 3 1 x LM EEO High Rnd x OII CCS 642 SN 12 3 2 D x Even HLL x x IIO CSO 688 DL 22 4 2 x x Even High x x IOO ClSet 316 SN 10 1 0 x LM OOE LLH x Noset OIO OSC 578 SN 20 2 0 U x OOE High x x IIO OSC 224 DL 8 8 8 x x Even Low x x OOI OOS 238 SN 13 4 3 U x EOE LLH x Noset OIO OOC 339 DL 15 6 5 x x Odd LLH x x IIO OOC 350 SN 8 8 8 x HM OOE LHL x Noset IIO OOC 236 SN 11 2 1 U x EOE LLH x Noset OII OOC Dr S/D/T Sum Root LDR Dir Mid# E/O H/L Con Noset I/O O/C/S

This appear to be a much simpler way to track sets.

S/D/T = Singles, Doubles, Triples; Sum, Root, Last Digit Root, Dir = Direction of the numbers (Up or Down).

E/0 will tell which set the combination belongs too. Even (even set); Odd (odd set).

H/L = High (all high set). Low (all low set).

Consecutive numbers are clumped as Win D supposed. Rnd set hit 10/15, prior to that 9/1 was the lst hit for consecutive numbers.

Noset means the combination does not belong to any other set.

I/O will show Inside set or Outside set.

O/C/S is Open, Closed, or Straight set.

Some combinations are shared between sets.

IMO, this chart is probably better to track set patterns if one is not interested in percentages and real numbers.

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