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Oct 23, 2011, 3:19 pm

Each of the 7 groups contains 10 boxes or 60 straights ....singles. Totals of either 70 boxes or 420 straights. That's as a group however. A group regardless of repeats. There are 16 repeats ........ 16 box repeats and 96 straight repeats......within the entire group looking at it as one group.

If we count all 7 groups as one group...... we only have 54 boxes......and/or.... 320 straights. Tracked as 7 seperate ....its still is 70/420

I'm looking at each group of 7 .....as a seperate group regardless of repeats..... each as a 10/60 group.

Just as a Fyi..

I have actually tracked that group for several years. I call it the "ALL THAT" group. 54 box or 320 straights ......math hit rate of... 3.09

The other side of the coin I track as well..... I call it the " ALL Nothing" group. 66 box or 396 straights ......math hit rate of ...2.53

Thats as close to a 50/50 as I could get it back then..... and .....neither group has any repeats. A good trap to catch them being bad sometimes.

ALL NOTHING GRoup ...66 box // 396 straights

037, 127, 136, 145, 235, 389, 479, 038, 047, 056,

146, 236, 245, 489, 039, 057, 138, 147, 156, 237,

049, 058, 067, 148, 238, 247, 256, 059, 149, 158,

167, 239, 257, 069, 078, 168, 249, 258, 267, 348,

015, 079, 169, 178, 259, 349, 358, 016, 025, 269,

278, 368, 458, 017, 035, 125, 279, 369, 378, 459,

027, 036, 045, 126, 469, 478

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Oct 23, 2011, 3:26 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Oct 23, 2011
Help ..... I thought at first this was the 60 straight versions of "ALL Even" like it says up there.......but then I saw it had a lot of repeat box all evens and included some All odds too so now I am mixed up.

But..... I might be getting close. Let me track them as the " ALL Group " putting them all together. Put all 7 groups together and see what happens then. Hmmmm

Thanks Raven !

I think this is more what you are looking for Win D:

024 042 204 240 402 420 026 062 206 260
602 620 028 082 208 280 802 820 046 064
406 460 604 640 048 084 408 480 804 840
068 086 608 680 806 860 246 264 426 462
624 642 248 284 428 482 824 842 268 286
628 682 826 862 468 486 648 684 846 864

Haven't run the totals yet. I'll get all the sets together and do it this evening.

The consecutive number set shows 339 straight/box hits in Texas Pick 3 evening.

more later....
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Oct 23, 2011, 3:45 pm

Turned out to be way too easy to find the sets. (5 digit wheel)

If we all agree, the real work begins.

Even
024 042 204 240 402 420 026 062 206 260
602 620 028 082 208 280 802 820 046 064
406 460 604 640 048 084 408 480 804 840
068 086 608 680 806 860 246 264 426 462
624 642 248 284 428 482 824 842 268 286
628 682 826 862 468 486 648 684 846 864

Odd
135 153 315 351 513 531 137 173 317 371
713 731 139 193 319 391 913 931 157 175
517 571 715 751 159 195 519 591 915 951
179 197 719 791 917 971 357 375 537 573
735 753 359 395 539 593 935 953 379 397
739 793 937 973 579 597 759 795 957 975

Out
012 021 102 120 201 210 018 081 108 180
801 810 019 091 109 190 901 910 028 082
208 280 802 820 029 092 209 290 902 920
089 098 809 890 908 980 128 182 218 281
812 821 129 192 219 291 912 921 189 198
819 891 918 981 289 298 829 892 928 982

In
345 354 435 453 534 543 346 364 436 463
634 643 347 374 437 473 734 743 356 365
536 563 635 653 357 375 537 573 735 753
367 376 637 673 736 763 456 465 546 564
645 654 457 475 547 574 745 754 467 476
647 674 746 764 567 576 657 675 756 765

Low
012 021 102 120 201 210 013 031 103 130
301 310 014 041 104 140 401 410 023 032
203 230 302 320 024 042 204 240 402 420
034 043 304 340 403 430 123 132 213 231
312 321 124 142 214 241 412 421 134 143
314 341 413 431 234 243 324 342 423 432

High
567 576 657 675 756 765 568 586 658 685
856 865 569 596 659 695 956 965 578 587
758 785 857 875 579 597 759 795 957 975
589 598 859 895 958 985 678 687 768 786
867 876 679 697 769 796 967 976 689 698
869 896 968 986 789 798 879 897 978 987

Consecutive
012 019 021 089 091 098 102 109 120 123
132 190 201 210 213 231 234 243 312 321
324 342 345 354 423 432 435 453 456 465
534 543 546 564 567 576 645 654 657 675
678 687 756 765 768 786 789 798 809 867
876 879 890 897 901 908 910 978 980 987
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Oct 23, 2011, 3:56 pm

Hi garyo...... while we're at it ....how about we think about how to best cut up the "ALL NOTHing" Group ......the 66/396 side of the coin.

66 all nothing box

037, 127, 136, 145, 235, 389, 479, 038, 047, 056, = ??

146, 236, 245, 489, 039, 057, 138, 147, 156, 237,

049, 058, 067, 148, 238, 247, 256, 059, 149, 158,

167, 239, 257, 069, 078, 168, 249, 258, 267, 348,

015, 079, 169, 178, 259, 349, 358, 016, 025, 269,

278, 368, 458, 017, 035, 125, 279, 369, 378, 459,

027, 036, 045, 126, 469, 478

396 all nothing straights

015 016 017 025 027 035 036 037 038 039 045 047 049 051 052 053 054 056 057 058 059 061 063 065 067 069 071 072 073 074 075 076 078 079 083 085 087 093 094 095 096 097 105 106 107 125 126 127 136 138 145 146 147 148 149 150 152 154 156 158 160 162 163 164 165 167 168 169 170 172 174 176 178 183 184 185 186 187 194 196 205 207 215 216 217 235 236 237 238 239 245 247 249 250 251 253 254 256 257 258 259 261 263 265 267 269 270 271 273 274 275 276 278 279 283 285 287 293 294 295 296 297 305 306 307 308 309 316 318 325 326 327 328 329 348 349 350 352 358 360 361 362 368 369 370 372 378 380 381 382 384 385 386 387 389 390 392 394 396 398 405 407 409 415 416 417 418 419 425 427 429 438 439 450 451 452 458 459 461 469 470 471 472 478 479 481 483 485 487 489 490 491 492 493 495 496 497 498 501 502 503 504 506 507 508 509 510 512 514 516 518 520 521 523 524 526 527 528 529 530 532 538 540 541 542 548 549 560 561 562 570 572 580 581 582 583 584 590 592 594 601 603 605 607 609 610 612 613 614 615 617 618 619 621 623 625 627 629 630 631 632 638 639 641 649 650 651 652 670 671 672 681 683 690 691 692 693 694 701 702 703 704 705 706 708 709 710 712 714 716 718 720 721 723 724 725 726 728 729 730 732 738 740 741 742 748 749 750 752 760 761 762 780 781 782 783 784 790 792 794 803 805 807 813 814 815 816 817 823 825 827 830 831 832 834 835 836 837 839 841 843 845 847 849 850 851 852 853 854 861 863 870 871 872 873 874 893 894 903 904 905 906 907 914 916 923 924 925 926 927 930 932 934 936 938 940 941 942 943 945 946 947 948 950 952 954 960 961 962 963 964 970 972 974 983 984

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Oct 24, 2011, 12:50 pm

Trying to make some sense of the sets and totals......

The Consecutive set (012 019 089 123 234 345 456 567 678 789) average 5.65 STRAIGHT hits in Texas. The set averages 33.9 hits BOXED.

Even set (0,2,4,6,8,) is the same.

Odd set (1,3,5,7,9) average 5.5 straight and 33 boxed.

High set (5,6,7,8,9) average 6.1 straight and 36.7 boxed.

Low set(0,1,2,3,4) average 5.6 straight and 33.6 boxed.

In set (3,4,5,6,7,8) average 5.76 straight and 34.6 boxed.

Out set (0,1,2,8,9) average 5.4 straight and 32.4 boxed.

Ranking the sets in Texas on the basis of best producers

1) High set (5,6,7,8,9) 367 total hits in 5634 draws

2) In set (3,4,5,6,7) 346 total in 5634 draws

3) Even (0,2,4,6,8) and Consecutive Set (tie) 339 total hits

4) Low set (0,1,2,3,4) 336 total hits

5) Odd set (1,3,5,7,9) 330 total hits

6) Out set (0,1,2,8,9) 324 total hits
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Oct 24, 2011, 5:39 pm

Went ahead and put all 7 sets and calculations into an Excel file which can be downloaded from:

http://www.box.net/shared/z2zetminpe82fhp6qpoh

The first set columns are in numerical order showing the Straights and Box hits.

The second set of columns have been sorted by the set that produce the most Straight hits.

The third set of columns have been sorted by the sets that produce the most Box hits minus the straight hits for each individual set of three numbers.

For those wanting Box hits only, use the =Sum function in Excel adding the Str hits and Box hits.
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Oct 26, 2011, 3:49 am

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 24, 2011
Went ahead and put all 7 sets and calculations into an Excel file which can be downloaded from:

http://www.box.net/shared/z2zetminpe82fhp6qpoh

The first set columns are in numerical order showing the Straights and Box hits.

The second set of columns have been sorted by the set that produce the most Straight hits.

The third set of columns have been sorted by the sets that produce the most Box hits minus the straight hits for each individual set of three numbers.

For those wanting Box hits only, use the =Sum function in Excel adding the Str hits and Box hits.

I'm going to be posting an update to this file later. The reason is the way these set totals are determined don't add up to the ACTUAL TOTALS from the results. The actual draws only show 50 Ascending Consecutive combinations (012, 123, 345, etc), 50 Descending Consecutive combinations (543, 432, 321, etc) and 178 Random Consecutive combinations (312, 465, 768, etc). If that is true, then there is only 278 consective combinations in the entire 5635 draws in Texas.

My mistake appears to be in using the box totals to make the calculations. Once I get some sleep, I'll have a better idea.

Hang in there.

g'night!
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Oct 26, 2011, 12:43 pm

Sleep deprivation error......lol

The new spreadsheet was not taking into account combinations for 089 and 910 as consecutive.

The original counts are right for Texas.

Sorry for any confusion. My mistake.

Now back to work.
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Oct 26, 2011, 2:06 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 26, 2011
Sleep deprivation error......lol

The new spreadsheet was not taking into account combinations for 089 and 910 as consecutive.

The original counts are right for Texas.

Sorry for any confusion. My mistake.

Now back to work.

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Oct 26, 2011, 2:55 pm

Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)
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Oct 26, 2011, 3:22 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 26, 2011
Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

That Group may be related to Orphan Pairs: (20)

03 07 14 18 25 29 30 36 41 47 52 58 63 69 70 74 81 85 92 96

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Oct 26, 2011, 3:36 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 26, 2011
Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

So if you use Paurths Pick 3 Wheel Engine and Filter Out:

All Low, All High, All Even, All Odd, All In, All Out...

You're left with 80 Boxed Combinations:

Singles: (66)
015, 016, 017, 025, 027, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 045, 047, 049, 056, 057, 058, 059, 067, 069, 078, 079, 125, 126, 127, 136, 138, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 156, 158, 167, 168, 169, 178, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 247, 249, 256, 257, 258, 259, 267, 269, 278, 279, 348, 349, 358, 368, 369, 378, 389, 458, 459, 469, 478, 479, 489

Doubles: (14)
005, 007, 116, 225, 227, 338, 449, 055, 255, 166, 077, 277, 388, 499

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 26, 2011
Good day Raven! Trying to ge back into the Lottery mode. Some of these files haven't been touched for 200 draws. :(

A lot of new ideas to look through and trying to implement them all at once.

Still working on how to break down the NothingAtAll/Leftover set. Nothing is coming to me on that at the moment.

But Win D's 329 NothingAtAll combos does account for (2218/5634) 40% of all draws in Texas.

Need to consider how to make that pay off.....;)

If you use Paurths Pick 3 Wheel Enge and Filter Out:

All Low, All High, All Even, All Odd...

Singles: (82)
015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 025, 027, 029, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 045, 047, 049, 056, 057, 058, 059, 067, 069, 078, 079, 089, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 136, 138, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 156, 158, 167, 168, 169, 178, 189, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 247, 249, 256, 257, 258, 259, 267, 269, 278, 279, 289, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 356, 358, 367, 368, 369, 378, 389, 456, 457, 458, 459, 467, 469, 478, 479, 489

Doubles: (26)
005, 007, 009, 116, 118, 225, 227, 229, 336, 338, 445, 447, 449, 055, 255, 455, 166, 366, 077, 277, 477, 188, 388, 099, 299, 499

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Oct 27, 2011, 1:39 pm

Hello Raven,

Still working on this idea. Here's a short portion of the chart designed to help identify some of these patterns. Call it in the works, since it is a derivative of personal programs I've use on Pick 3.

867	57	1515	4056	21	3	1	694	678	1362	1322	2	1	3	0	50	50	178	Ou	In	In	Cl	Cl	St
642	57	1515	4057	12	3	2	694	679	1362	1322	3	0	1	2	50	50	178	In	In	Ou	Cl	St	Op
688	57	1516	4057	22	4	2	694	679	1362	1322	3	0	3	0	50	50	178	In	Ou	Ou	Cl	Cl	Cl
316	57	1516	4058	10	1	0	694	679	1363	1322	1	2	1	2	50	50	178	In	Ou	In	Op	St	Cl
578	57	1516	4059	20	2	0	695	679	1363	1322	1	2	3	0	50	50	178	In	In	Ou	Op	St	Cl
224	57	1517	4059	8	8	8	695	679	1363	1322	3	0	0	3	50	50	178	Ou	Ou	In	Op	Op	St
238	57	1517	4060	13	4	3	696	679	1363	1322	2	1	1	2	50	50	178	Ou	In	Ou	Op	Op	Cl
339	57	1518	4060	15	6	5	696	679	1363	1322	0	3	1	2	50	50	178	In	In	Ou	Op	Op	Cl
350	57	1518	4061	8	8	8	696	679	1363	1323	1	2	1	2	50	50	178	In	In	Ou	Op	Op	Cl
236	57	1518	4062	11	2	1	697	679	1363	1323	2	1	1	2	50	50	178	Ou	In	In	Op	Op	Cl
Dr	Tr	Dbl	Sing	Sum	Root	LDR	Up	Down	LM	HM	Even	Odd	High	Low	Asc	Dsc	Rnd	N1	N2	N3	N1	N2	N3

This is the last ten draws of the Texas Evening game. Most of the columns are self explanatory: Draw, Triples, Doubles, Singles, Sum, Root, Last Digit Root, etc. Up is any 3 digit set from low to high like 238, 157, 149, etc. Down is the opposite, numbers going high to low 642, 531, 940, etc. Then you have Low Middle, lowest number sandwiched between two hight numbers. And High Middle, highest number between two lows. Even/Odd and High/Low, nothing new. Asc/Dsc/Rnd column counts CONSECUTIVE NUMBERS ONLY. Asc is low to high. Dsc is high to low. Rnd is three consecutive in mixed order. Finally, I've added the Out/In and Open Closed/Straight columns for each digit.

As I go through this I'm thinking there are some things that may not be necessary, some things I need to add, and likely things that need change.

I'm supposing I could drop the Root column since most use the Last Digit Root now.

I love numbers, but numbers don't change much. I'm considering replacing most of the numerical data with TEXT. T for triple, D for D, S, for single, etc. The counts for Even/Odd, High/Low should be TEXT. The In/Out and Open/Close/Straight....wow. It It seems logical to know how these digits are falling individually, but appears just as important to know how the set as a whole produces.

Any thoughts?

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Oct 27, 2011, 7:51 pm

Here is a different type chart. In this one I've replaced all the numbers with text blocks.

632

EOE

HLL

Noset

IIO

COO

696

EOE

High

OIO

ClSet

867

EEO

High

Rnd

OII

CCS

642

Even

HLL

IIO

CSO

688

Even

High

IOO

ClSet

316

OOE

LLH

Noset

OIO

OSC

578

OOE

High

IIO

OSC

224

Even

Low

OOI

OOS

238

EOE

LLH

Noset

OIO

OOC

339

Odd

LLH

IIO

OOC

350

OOE

LHL

Noset

IIO

OOC

236

EOE

LLH

Noset

OII

OOC

S/D/T

Sum

Root

LDR

Dir

Mid#

E/O

H/L

Con

Noset

I/O

O/C/S

This appear to be a much simpler way to track sets.

S/D/T = Singles, Doubles, Triples; Sum, Root, Last Digit Root, Dir = Direction of the numbers (Up or Down).

E/0 will tell which set the combination belongs too. Even (even set); Odd (odd set).

H/L = High (all high set). Low (all low set).

Consecutive numbers are clumped as Win D supposed. Rnd set hit 10/15, prior to that 9/1 was the lst hit for consecutive numbers.

Noset means the combination does not belong to any other set.

I/O will show Inside set or Outside set.

O/C/S is Open, Closed, or Straight set.

Some combinations are shared between sets.

IMO, this chart is probably better to track set patterns if one is not interested in percentages and real numbers.

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