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Superstition versus Logic.

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Do you believe in luck or law of averages?

Someday it will be my lucky day [ 9 ]  [52.94%]
Law of averages will catch up to me. [ 3 ]  [17.65%]
One and the same [ 5 ]  [29.41%]
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Bigheadnick's avatar - badluck
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Posted: February 16, 2012, 3:34 pm - IP Logged

  Do you feel that luck is what you need to win? Do you use a lucky coin to scratch numbers? Lucky pencil to fill in the numbers? Have a dream one day and believe it's your lucky day? Or do you just feel that eventually the numbers will catch up to you? Maybe you take a mathemetical approach? Or do you define luck in mathematical terms?

Scratchies for the win!

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    Posted: February 16, 2012, 4:10 pm - IP Logged

    i was feeling very lucky one day on the way home from work,it was on the weekly day i buy my tix,

    turned out it was'nt for lottery,but i went 14+0 that week in my nfl pool.

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      Posted: February 16, 2012, 4:17 pm - IP Logged

        Do you feel that luck is what you need to win? Do you use a lucky coin to scratch numbers? Lucky pencil to fill in the numbers? Have a dream one day and believe it's your lucky day? Or do you just feel that eventually the numbers will catch up to you? Maybe you take a mathemetical approach? Or do you define luck in mathematical terms?

      nick

       

      I for one don't believe in luck, If I am playing a scratchers then the ticket will either be a winner

      our it won't.  How or what I use to scratch it does not change a looser into a winner.  I think

      that the lottery is a game of chance and winning does not make one lucky, nor does loosing

      make one unlucky.  I also don't think the lottery can be predicted without the human element.

      Math has it's place but often leaves one short of a JP.   I do believe in the supernatural to the

      extent that if we could tap into it we would do much better, but like the lottery it's also evasive.

       

      RL

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      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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        Posted: February 16, 2012, 4:26 pm - IP Logged

        Since we're talking lotteries the law of averages is that you'll never win a jackpot, therefore the ones that do are just plain lucky, whether they admit it or not.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: February 16, 2012, 4:31 pm - IP Logged

            Do you feel that luck is what you need to win? Do you use a lucky coin to scratch numbers? Lucky pencil to fill in the numbers? Have a dream one day and believe it's your lucky day? Or do you just feel that eventually the numbers will catch up to you? Maybe you take a mathemetical approach? Or do you define luck in mathematical terms?

          In my opinion, luck is not a factor to win. The sayings about using a lucky coin or having a rabbit's foot to win is very over-rated. 

          People who believe in this always lose more than winning. However, when dreams are involved, I do believe in dreams having a stronger meaning. 

          As for numbers catching up to me, I believe in this because the effort I put into past winning numbers to create new winning numbers always produce positive results. 

          Mathematical approaches are always my approach when playing the lottery. I use mathematics all the time because math is what helps me create winning numbers.

          All in all, logic is what counts. Superstition is deadly and can cause headaches.

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            Posted: February 16, 2012, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

            This kind of stuff happens, so:

            Two players are on a dice table. A 12 should show once every 36 rolls, so our boy from Providence has a pad and pencil and counts 35 rolls without a 12 and then "sends it in". Still no 12.

            Meanwhile, another player decides to bet a 12, hits it, increases his bet on it and catches two 12s back to back.

            So, who was using the law of averages and who was lucky?

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Posted: February 16, 2012, 5:34 pm - IP Logged

              This kind of stuff happens, so:

              Two players are on a dice table. A 12 should show once every 36 rolls, so our boy from Providence has a pad and pencil and counts 35 rolls without a 12 and then "sends it in". Still no 12.

              Meanwhile, another player decides to bet a 12, hits it, increases his bet on it and catches two 12s back to back.

              So, who was using the law of averages and who was lucky?

              yo coin, i guess you voted for lucky day,me too.

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                Posted: February 16, 2012, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

                This kind of stuff happens, so:

                Two players are on a dice table. A 12 should show once every 36 rolls, so our boy from Providence has a pad and pencil and counts 35 rolls without a 12 and then "sends it in". Still no 12.

                Meanwhile, another player decides to bet a 12, hits it, increases his bet on it and catches two 12s back to back.

                So, who was using the law of averages and who was lucky?

                 Fair point but if you stretch that sample out to hundreds, I believe it will average out. Personally, I don't believe in luck. At least not in the supernatural or superstitious sense. I believe in right place at the right time. I believe the more you play the better your odds. As with anything there are exceptions to any rule. The guy that never buys a ticket then hits a million on one given to him in a card. The lady that hits a million on 3 seperate tickets from the same store. I don't believe these to be "lucky" events rather exceptions to the rule.

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                  I think you need both logic and luck to win the jackpot rather than putting them against one another.

                  Suspiciousness is one way of saying that one do not want to know the truth. It is the best way to keep the mind empty and the spirit restless.

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                    Posted: February 16, 2012, 7:05 pm - IP Logged

                    I think you need both logic and luck to win the jackpot rather than putting them against one another.

                    thats how i see it w/ the NFL but how do i apply that to lottery ?

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                      Posted: February 16, 2012, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

                       Fair point but if you stretch that sample out to hundreds, I believe it will average out. Personally, I don't believe in luck. At least not in the supernatural or superstitious sense. I believe in right place at the right time. I believe the more you play the better your odds. As with anything there are exceptions to any rule. The guy that never buys a ticket then hits a million on one given to him in a card. The lady that hits a million on 3 seperate tickets from the same store. I don't believe these to be "lucky" events rather exceptions to the rule.

                      Bigheadnick,

                      Yes, if it's stretched out to hundreds, or milliions of rolls, which is what most gambling books are based on, it will always prove itself.

                      But in the example of the 12s on the dice game, it was knowing the law of averages that got in the one guy's way.

                      This refers to dice, not lotto, but it's still the law of averages - there's a bet on a crap table called a "horn" bet, that is 2, 3, 11, and 12....this is one of the highest percentage bets for the house and every gamblinb 'expert' out there will tell you it's a sucker bet and to stay away from it.

                      Guss what, and there is no logical explanation for this, but it happens day after day and night after nigt- parlaying a horn bet makes for some sweet payoffs - all the 'naturals' tend to follow each other, it's uncanny.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Posted: February 16, 2012, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

                        thats how i see it w/ the NFL but how do i apply that to lottery ?

                        logic- no ticket means no chance of winning unless one decide to sue some lottery syndicates for one reason or another

                        luck- if winning the jackpot with odds of millions against you is not lucky then I don't know what luck means.

                        Sorry but I don't know much about NFL, I am in UK. Football=soccer

                        Suspiciousness is one way of saying that one do not want to know the truth. It is the best way to keep the mind empty and the spirit restless.

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                          Posted: February 16, 2012, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

                          logic- no ticket means no chance of winning unless one decide to sue some lottery syndicates for one reason or another

                          luck- if winning the jackpot with odds of millions against you is not lucky then I don't know what luck means.

                          Sorry but I don't know much about NFL, I am in UK. Football=soccer

                          oh,sorry i equated logic w/ skill of knowing which team had a better chance.

                          and luck w/ the fact that many NFL games are decided on less than 4 point difference.

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                            Posted: February 16, 2012, 8:09 pm - IP Logged

                            Since we're talking lotteries the law of averages is that you'll never win a jackpot, therefore the ones that do are just plain lucky, whether they admit it or not.

                            CT

                            Still just a matter of chance, what if the first guy would have continued betting?

                            Would the 12 miss a couple more rolls, each roll starts new and what happend

                            in the previous draws has nothing to do with the next.  When someone wins the

                            lottery it's a chance event.  If a person wins 2 JP's it's still chance unless they have

                            a system but then again, it could still be chance but not luck.  Calling someone lucky

                            is the result of envy and is why lucky is usually followed by the word ba$tard.  It's

                            really a word that allows someone to cope with the fact that chance did not work

                            out for them.

                            RL

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                            I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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                              Posted: February 16, 2012, 8:50 pm - IP Logged

                              some say to me they dont believe in luck, that they create their own luck. So would buying a ticket help create your own luck? or is telling people how you will share if you win creating your own luck?

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