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The Future of Online Lottery Sales?

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Posted: August 29, 2012, 2:26 pm - IP Logged

Last December the U.S. Justice Department gave a legal opinion that "interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act." and that opened the door for state lotteries to begin selling tickets online to state residents. Illinois and Georgia are currently offering online sales.

The Poker Player Alliance believes that ruling could also open the door for legal online poker playing. The PPA has generally been non-political trying to get support from both sides of the aisle. In their weekly update the PPA quoted a plank that is in the 2012 Republican National platform.

"Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department's decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting."
“interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act.”

Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/12/us-department-of-justice-wire-act-applies-to-sporting-events-11711.htm
that “interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act.”

Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/12/us-department-of-justice-wire-act-applies-to-sporting-events-11711.htm

With respect to the Republican Party, this was from the section entitled Making the Internet Family-Friendly. However repealing the Justice Department's decision will stop state lotteries from selling tickets online.

For anyone interested, the link is to the 2012 Republican Party platform and the Internet Family-Friendly section is on page 32.

http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

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    Posted: August 29, 2012, 3:54 pm - IP Logged

    Last December the U.S. Justice Department gave a legal opinion that "interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act." and that opened the door for state lotteries to begin selling tickets online to state residents. Illinois and Georgia are currently offering online sales.

    The Poker Player Alliance believes that ruling could also open the door for legal online poker playing. The PPA has generally been non-political trying to get support from both sides of the aisle. In their weekly update the PPA quoted a plank that is in the 2012 Republican National platform.

    "Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department's decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting."
    “interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act.”

    Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/12/us-department-of-justice-wire-act-applies-to-sporting-events-11711.htm
    that “interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a ‘sporting event of contest’ fall outside the reach of the Wire Act.”

    Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/12/us-department-of-justice-wire-act-applies-to-sporting-events-11711.htm

    With respect to the Republican Party, this was from the section entitled Making the Internet Family-Friendly. However repealing the Justice Department's decision will stop state lotteries from selling tickets online.

    For anyone interested, the link is to the 2012 Republican Party platform and the Internet Family-Friendly section is on page 32.

    http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

    "Nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come."

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    Party Platforms won't stop it, it's just a matter of time now.

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      Posted: August 29, 2012, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

      "Nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come."

      - Victor Hugo

      Party Platforms won't stop it, it's just a matter of time now.

      Now that at least two state lotteries have online ticket sales, repealing the Justice Departments decision could become a states rights issue and go all the way to the Supreme Court.

      I agree about the platform; it satisfies the Georgia Family Council and a similar group opposing the Arkansas Lottery. It probably satisfies the North Dallas chapter of the NAACP too though I doubt they were part of the platform selection process.

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        Well Stack, this is how I feel about it. What you decide to do with your money in the privacy of your own home or office shouldYOUR OWN D*MN BUSINESS!!! We have waaaaaaaay too much government as it presently stands anyway...let alone regulating what, or, how we spend our money. If a person decides to spend their monies online to play the lottery, and they have better chances of winning by playing with software, then more power to them!! 

        In the end, anything up to $599 isn't taxable anyway, just as it is with regualr state (mom&pop store) lotto sales. They're making much ado about nothing with the online lottot deal. The only thing that might be affected is mom & pop stores in terms of people standing in line to play numbers. With software, though, a player can do just what they want to do, in any amount in privacy, and be in the privacy of their homes.

        Hell, everything else in the world is trending towards CONVENIENCE so why not the lottery??? Let the people do what they want to do...and leave them alone! This is AMERICA, right???

         

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          Well Stack, this is how I feel about it. What you decide to do with your money in the privacy of your own home or office shouldYOUR OWN D*MN BUSINESS!!! We have waaaaaaaay too much government as it presently stands anyway...let alone regulating what, or, how we spend our money. If a person decides to spend their monies online to play the lottery, and they have better chances of winning by playing with software, then more power to them!! 

          In the end, anything up to $599 isn't taxable anyway, just as it is with regualr state (mom&pop store) lotto sales. They're making much ado about nothing with the online lottot deal. The only thing that might be affected is mom & pop stores in terms of people standing in line to play numbers. With software, though, a player can do just what they want to do, in any amount in privacy, and be in the privacy of their homes.

          Hell, everything else in the world is trending towards CONVENIENCE so why not the lottery??? Let the people do what they want to do...and leave them alone! This is AMERICA, right???

           

          L.L.

          "Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling"

          Even if I were to believe that is true, I can't see how that applies to opening an online account using a bank card and depositing money to play the same lottery games we can legally play by buying tickets at a store. Even the occasional lottery players could save money by not driving to a store. It looks like the platform committee had way too much time on their hands or believes the majority of lottery players are pathological gamblers.

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            "Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling"

            Even if I were to believe that is true, I can't see how that applies to opening an online account using a bank card and depositing money to play the same lottery games we can legally play by buying tickets at a store. Even the occasional lottery players could save money by not driving to a store. It looks like the platform committee had way too much time on their hands or believes the majority of lottery players are pathological gamblers.

            I would miss the thrill of filling out betting slips and not buying anything else at 7-11.

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              Posted: September 1, 2012, 11:25 pm - IP Logged

              I would miss the thrill of filling out betting slips and not buying anything else at 7-11.

              The only way selling tickets online could really have an effect on smaller stores is if the lotteries develop online games that compete with scratch-offs. Another factor are the players who want the winning ticket in their hands and don't want to worry about being disconnected or being unsure if their bet was recorded. Playing the same games online is just an option because we still have to go into the stores to buy milk, bread, gas, etc.

              From the lottery's point of view, it's just another way to sell their product.

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                When our free country allowed me to play the Australian lotteries online there was never a problem with my bet being recorded, etc.  that I was aware of.  Though I did miss throwing away the losing tickets in bitter disappointment like I do with Florida tickets.

                Demorats and Repuglicans, six of one half a dozen of the other, both parties are total crap bringing half of what I want and half I don't. 

                If voting ever made a difference it would be illegal.

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                  Posted: September 2, 2012, 10:00 am - IP Logged

                  "Nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come."

                  - Victor Hugo

                  Party Platforms won't stop it, it's just a matter of time now.

                  I agree.  As Jason Stackhouse said, that train has sailed.

                   

                  Check the State Lottery Report Card
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                  Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                  Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                    Posted: September 2, 2012, 10:17 am - IP Logged

                    We have online lottery sales here and I still buy in the store....

                    The online QP sucks just as much as buying the tickets in your local Shop.....

                    Also when you go to buy Gas or walk to your local Shop and you see the lottery machine is right there your not going to say...." Naaah.. I´ll wait and play a home..."  You will snatch up a Card like in your normal routine as you do now.....

                    But there will be some individuals that will turn into more Hard Core players that are to embarassed to go and play for 1000 dollars in the store...

                    But they will do it online...

                    Its a double edge sword, but the shops will be fine....

                    Ps... No i have never spent a 1000 dollars online...lmao...Hyper

                     

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                      Aside from the politics surrounding this, I personally hate going to the stores to make my purchases.  If the clerks are not getting my numbers wrong, than I am probably being stared down by people who snub their noses at lottery players.  Not to mention the winter is upon us and I hate having to go out in the cold if I don't have to.  By the way I thought the republican party was the party of less government?  Sure doesn't seem that way here.

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                        Aside from the politics surrounding this, I personally hate going to the stores to make my purchases.  If the clerks are not getting my numbers wrong, than I am probably being stared down by people who snub their noses at lottery players.  Not to mention the winter is upon us and I hate having to go out in the cold if I don't have to.  By the way I thought the republican party was the party of less government?  Sure doesn't seem that way here.

                        The justice dept needs to go f*ck themselves.EVERYTHING should be up to the individual states.

                        A person doesn't need to be a republican or Dem to realize it.

                        The world would be a happier place if people were actually free to make judgements for themselves and dealing with the ramifications if something goes awry.This is what makes us adults.

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                          The only thing bad about states selling lottery tickets on line is they are probably going to track all those wins less than $600 that most of us don't bother to file with our tax returns since we usually spent more than we won.  Even so if your total loses don't exceed the standard tax deduction for losses, these small winnings could increase your taxable income even though they didn't increase your real income.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            The justice dept needs to go f*ck themselves.EVERYTHING should be up to the individual states.

                            A person doesn't need to be a republican or Dem to realize it.

                            The world would be a happier place if people were actually free to make judgements for themselves and dealing with the ramifications if something goes awry.This is what makes us adults.

                            For the most part, party platforms are nothing more than recorded statements for or against something. Speaker of the House, John Boehner was quoted saying he has never read a party platform so probably very few things in either party's platform became law. Because at least two states now have Internet lottery wagering, any reversal of the 2011 Justice Department's decision becomes a state rights issue and would be decided by the Supreme Court.

                            Many offshore Internet poker sites were shut down by the Justice Department because they were laundering money to and from American players and some were skimming money from player accounts. It was based on the interpretation of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. The JD's decision that opened the door for Internet lottery wagering was on the Interstate Wire Act of 1961.

                            We can blame both parties for the hypocrisy when Congress says betting millions on the rise and fall of stocks and commodities, including futures isn't gambling but betting $1 on a poker game is. I guess it's just easier to say betting a couple bucks on our lottery numbers online is why "Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families" without addressing the problems caused by losing a fortune in the stocks markets.

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                              I e-mailed my state lotto to ask if we were going online, the answer was NO.

                              Was told it's against the law, I told them about our neighbors Illinois and

                              others that are joining, and how online gambling for lotteries is legal but I was told in

                              the state of Wiscosin it's against the law.

                               

                              Maybe they will change their minds or I was talking to the wrong person, the way they

                              answered I don't think they were even aware of the other states going online.