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Lotto Max/Lotto 649 Rigged?

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Posted: October 27, 2012, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

I've searched lots of forums to see what people think of Lotto Max and Lotto 649 being rigged.


I have found something interesting.

 

I began having suspicions when I noticed for mega jackpots there would be long periods of no winners, while at the same time sales spiked substantially.  Mathematically, the number of plays exceeds the odds, so the probability of a winner greatly exceeds the stated odds.  Example: if someone plays one "board" in Lotto MAX, they get 2 additional draws as a bonus.  So 1 purchased play is actually 3 plays with boosted odds.  Most people that play, dont simply play 1 draw (aka 3 draws total), they play on minimum 2 to 3 plays (aka 6 to 9 plays). Then you have those who play a full board ticket of 5 plays (aka 16 plays total).

On average, there are 9 million tickets sold, which equates to a minimum of 27,000,000 different combinations played (if every single person only plays the standard 1 play, aka 3 total combination plays). So this would fall below the odds of winning. But we all know that a good portion would play more than the standard 1 play (aka 3 combination of plays). Conservatively speaking, the estimate would be close to 33 million different combinations played.

On high jackpot amounts the sales go up to 15 million tickets sold or more, which equates to a minimum of 45,000,000 different combinations played (if every single person only plays the standard 1 play, aka 3 total combination plays). This greatly exceeds the odds of winning. But again, especially for high jackpots, individuals will purchase more draws of number combinations. Conservatively, it is probably close to 50 million to 60 million different combinations chosen. So, not having a single jackpot winner, in multiple times in a consecutaive row high jackpot is suspicous, very suspicious. Purely from a mathematical stand point.




I began thinking of the process how Lotto Max and Lotto 649 are handled. Each retail  terminal sends the ticket information to the central lottery computer system.  So I thought what type of system can handle that volume all across the nation with an average of 9 million ticket sales. With these kinds of numbers of sales and number of different number combinations, only a standard super computer with fast database access can handle that rapid of a process to determine how many winning tickets were won to be able to post it to the public in a timely manner.

Then I began thinking of how would the system be designed to run this whole process effeciently. Looking at the playing sheets, you can see its designed in a SCAN-TRON format.  So I started thinking since a machine picks the numbers, machines are simply mathematically programmed and designed and behave as such. Using that as a basis of how it handles the information, I began plotting the winning number combinations on the
play sheets. 

I picked Lotto 649 since I liked playing it more than Lotto Max. I instantly realized there is a algorithm in play here.  It is not random as they claim it is.


Latest 649 winning numbers:

 




The machine clearly plots numbers in a algrothmic pattern when it selects the winning numbers.  This is why certain numbers are played more often than others. From prelimarly calculations of pattern dipersal, it appears the machine takes note of the last set of winning numbers, and does a pattern selection set that undergoes a type of shift algorithm for the new winning set of numbers.  Its not a simple calculation, nor is it a simple algrothm. Its very complex. Any mathematician who deals with matrix, pattern, sequence determination will see it a mile away.

If thats not bad enough, I thought to myself, why would the main lottery draw have such a delay in showing the winning number combination? Why is it so important to hide the numbers before they determine how many won certain prizes? The answer is obvious again, when they dont want anyone to win to extend the sales of tickets to increase income and profit, the central lottery computer system cycles through all of the played number combinations, and selects a number combination that has not been played.  This is why the delay in "Calculating" is longer for major jackpots with no winner (several hours) and why it is quick when there is a winner (30mins to an hour).


Shady business to say the least. They need to revert back to the live televised draws and no delays.

    bobby623's avatar - abstract
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    Posted: October 27, 2012, 3:07 pm - IP Logged

    I believe Lotto Max and 6/49 use ball machines, not computers.
    Check the State Lottery Report card in the Results file to confirm.

    Suggest you watch actual drawings.
    Don't think you will see anything that would indicate the lottery drawings are not random.

    I believe you can buy Quick Picks at any lottery retailer.
    Combinations sold are no doubt available in a computer file that can be scanned for
    winners after the drawing is complete.

    IMHO, of course.


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      Posted: October 27, 2012, 6:43 pm - IP Logged

      I've searched lots of forums to see what people think of Lotto Max and Lotto 649 being rigged.


      I have found something interesting.

       

      I began having suspicions when I noticed for mega jackpots there would be long periods of no winners, while at the same time sales spiked substantially.  Mathematically, the number of plays exceeds the odds, so the probability of a winner greatly exceeds the stated odds.  Example: if someone plays one "board" in Lotto MAX, they get 2 additional draws as a bonus.  So 1 purchased play is actually 3 plays with boosted odds.  Most people that play, dont simply play 1 draw (aka 3 draws total), they play on minimum 2 to 3 plays (aka 6 to 9 plays). Then you have those who play a full board ticket of 5 plays (aka 16 plays total).

      On average, there are 9 million tickets sold, which equates to a minimum of 27,000,000 different combinations played (if every single person only plays the standard 1 play, aka 3 total combination plays). So this would fall below the odds of winning. But we all know that a good portion would play more than the standard 1 play (aka 3 combination of plays). Conservatively speaking, the estimate would be close to 33 million different combinations played.

      On high jackpot amounts the sales go up to 15 million tickets sold or more, which equates to a minimum of 45,000,000 different combinations played (if every single person only plays the standard 1 play, aka 3 total combination plays). This greatly exceeds the odds of winning. But again, especially for high jackpots, individuals will purchase more draws of number combinations. Conservatively, it is probably close to 50 million to 60 million different combinations chosen. So, not having a single jackpot winner, in multiple times in a consecutaive row high jackpot is suspicous, very suspicious. Purely from a mathematical stand point.




      I began thinking of the process how Lotto Max and Lotto 649 are handled. Each retail  terminal sends the ticket information to the central lottery computer system.  So I thought what type of system can handle that volume all across the nation with an average of 9 million ticket sales. With these kinds of numbers of sales and number of different number combinations, only a standard super computer with fast database access can handle that rapid of a process to determine how many winning tickets were won to be able to post it to the public in a timely manner.

      Then I began thinking of how would the system be designed to run this whole process effeciently. Looking at the playing sheets, you can see its designed in a SCAN-TRON format.  So I started thinking since a machine picks the numbers, machines are simply mathematically programmed and designed and behave as such. Using that as a basis of how it handles the information, I began plotting the winning number combinations on the
      play sheets. 

      I picked Lotto 649 since I liked playing it more than Lotto Max. I instantly realized there is a algorithm in play here.  It is not random as they claim it is.


      Latest 649 winning numbers:

       




      The machine clearly plots numbers in a algrothmic pattern when it selects the winning numbers.  This is why certain numbers are played more often than others. From prelimarly calculations of pattern dipersal, it appears the machine takes note of the last set of winning numbers, and does a pattern selection set that undergoes a type of shift algorithm for the new winning set of numbers.  Its not a simple calculation, nor is it a simple algrothm. Its very complex. Any mathematician who deals with matrix, pattern, sequence determination will see it a mile away.

      If thats not bad enough, I thought to myself, why would the main lottery draw have such a delay in showing the winning number combination? Why is it so important to hide the numbers before they determine how many won certain prizes? The answer is obvious again, when they dont want anyone to win to extend the sales of tickets to increase income and profit, the central lottery computer system cycles through all of the played number combinations, and selects a number combination that has not been played.  This is why the delay in "Calculating" is longer for major jackpots with no winner (several hours) and why it is quick when there is a winner (30mins to an hour).


      Shady business to say the least. They need to revert back to the live televised draws and no delays.

      Can you report this to the local authorities and have the lottery shut down?

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        Posted: October 28, 2012, 8:25 am - IP Logged

        sounds like Canadian LOONIE-cy to me. LOL

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          Posted: October 28, 2012, 8:40 am - IP Logged

          sounds like Canadian LOONIE-cy to me. LOL

          It might be advisable to report those machine balls as rogue defectors.

            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Posted: October 28, 2012, 12:23 pm - IP Logged

            I'm inclined to believe it ain't rigged but I'm glad to know somebody's watchin'.

            Tennessee might not've been caught if people hadn't a been payin' attention.