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Posted: January 6, 2013, 1:57 pm - IP Logged

During communism ( which was never achieved in history), all the goods are divided among citizens for free, there is no money. Thus, there should be no lottery in such society. However, in pre-communism society, during socialism, lottery existed. Anyone wonders why it was not made illegal? I guess government still needed a milking caw of cash.

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    When there was a USSR and a Yugoslavia there was a casino in the resort city of Dubrovnic (sp?).

    In Vegas we always joked about what security might be like in a commie casino.

    Scared

     

    As far as "there is no money" goes, theses are what is known as the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto:

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

    - Wikipedia

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: January 6, 2013, 6:33 pm - IP Logged

      May be they had more options, like you can win trip to GULAG.

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        Posted: January 6, 2013, 7:09 pm - IP Logged

        When there was a USSR and a Yugoslavia there was a casino in the resort city of Dubrovnic (sp?).

        In Vegas we always joked about what security might be like in a commie casino.

        Scared

         

        As far as "there is no money" goes, theses are what is known as the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto:

        1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
        2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
        3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
        4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
        5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
        6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
        7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
        8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
        9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
        10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

        - Wikipedia

        Well done Coin=

        In Vegas we constantly marvel but still welcome the multi millioneres incoming from post (USSR) & exisisting (China) comminist controlled economies.

        Sure they lose @ the losing deals  like everyone else but how were they able to win or a mas & extract  such large amounts of disposable $$$ out of the State controlled Gulags Wink ???

         

        "It's a puzzlement...." King & I

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          Posted: January 6, 2013, 9:23 pm - IP Logged

          Well done Coin=

          In Vegas we constantly marvel but still welcome the multi millioneres incoming from post (USSR) & exisisting (China) comminist controlled economies.

          Sure they lose @ the losing deals  like everyone else but how were they able to win or a mas & extract  such large amounts of disposable $$$ out of the State controlled Gulags Wink ???

           

          "It's a puzzlement...." King & I

          EddessaKnight

          Eddessaknight,

           Have'nt heard from you for a while,

           

          I'm speculating here of course, but those millioniares may have moved money out of their countries same way our home grown millionaires do,

          offshore banks, after all they control their lawmakers too, or should I say they are one and the same ? Wink

          Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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            Posted: January 6, 2013, 11:46 pm - IP Logged

            When there was a USSR and a Yugoslavia there was a casino in the resort city of Dubrovnic (sp?).

            In Vegas we always joked about what security might be like in a commie casino.

            Scared

             

            As far as "there is no money" goes, theses are what is known as the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto:

            1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
            2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
            3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
            4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
            5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
            6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
            7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
            8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
            9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
            10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

            - Wikipedia

            We are close to achieving #3 with the Death Tax. Of course it must not be double taxation when you pay taxes on your earnings as you grow your wealth, but then the govt takes another fair share and taxes you when you die.

            Let me tell you how it will be,
            There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
            ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
            Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
            Should five per cent appear too small,
            Be thankful I don’t take it all.
            ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
            Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

            (If you drive a car ), I’ll tax the street,
            (If you try to sit ), I’ll tax your seat,
            (If you get too cold ), I’ll tax the heat,
            (If you take a walk ), I’ll tax your feet.
            Taxman.

            ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
            Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
            Don’t ask me what I want it for
            (Haha! Mister Wilson!)
            If you don’t want to pay some more
            (Haha! Mister Heath!),
            ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
            Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

            Now my advice for those who die, (Taxman!)
            Declare the pennies on your eyes, (Taxman!)
            ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
            Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
            And you’re working for no-one but me,
            (Taxman).

            face

            singlewinnersinglewinnersinglewinner   

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              Posted: January 7, 2013, 7:11 am - IP Logged

              People should know when taxman or government went too far, it's when law abiding becomes foolish.

              Modern Russia's money is oil money. That simple. Also, if one forgets about improving their citizens lives, keeping social services at a bear minimum, you won't believe how fast all the money will concentrate among elite. Another factor why  Russians spend so much money abroad is Russians are generous, they are not cheap or skimpy. That's their nature. They might afterwards return to their shack, but they will be generous, they will litter with money.

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                Posted: January 7, 2013, 2:24 pm - IP Logged

                ^

                Thank you for listening to Radio Moscow.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Posted: January 7, 2013, 3:06 pm - IP Logged

                  After 53 years in Cuba ( Castro ) Socialist & Comunist never allowed lottery games or casinos.Why?The smart guy and world heroe said it's evil from the Capitalism and the Empire (USA).He is so nice with his people, everybody there have Obamacare and Education,the rest is not so important.Do you want more ? Get out here.Oh I forgot he got the army and the guns because he know what happen in USA when people own guns.

                  You may learn much from a game you lose than from a game you win.You will have to lose hundreds of game before becoming a good player   ( Capablanca < The Human Chess Machine >)    VOCATUS ATQUE NON VOCATUS DEUS ADERIT ( Erasmus / Jung )

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                    Posted: January 8, 2013, 11:26 am - IP Logged

                    After reading the 10 planks, my question is: "Why work?"

                    If the state owns everything, what is there to work toward?  Nothing.  So why put yourself through such misery? 

                    That will never happen here.  Oh, wait.......

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                      After reading the 10 planks, my question is: "Why work?"

                      If the state owns everything, what is there to work toward?  Nothing.  So why put yourself through such misery? 

                      That will never happen here.  Oh, wait.......

                      Commuism sounds good on paper but loses a whole lot in the actual practice.

                      It comes down to "Them" and "us", them being the impovrished workers and us being the rulers.

                      Commies hate property ownership in any form, cars, houses, businesses, etc.... unldess of course there's property owned by high ranking party members.

                      Yeah, it does sound awful familiar, huh?

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        North Korea has a lotto, its mandatory to enter,  ticket price is all you life and labour.  and the winner is always the leader.

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                          In Norway at some jobs they have free lottery, where employes who walks to work, thus saving ecology, staying healthy and releasing traffic, do enter and there is price  each week for whomever won: a bottle of wine, set of food, other interesting things. Cute.

                          Who is tired of lottery unpredictability, get more joy shopping thrift. You can save (earn) on average $10 per each spent dollar, even sometimes a lot more. Another day I bought rice pressure cooker,  perfect condition, beautiful machine, makes perfect rice, yam. I spent $5.00, looked it up online, it is worth $350, some places even more! Can't bit that. :)

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                            Uluska,

                            In the first post of this thread you were talking about "Communism and Lottery".

                            What does Norway have to do with comminism?

                            Granted it's a Scandanavian nanny-state, but it's not communist.

                            Norway is a unitary parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy, with King Harald V as its head of state and Jens Stoltenberg as its prime minister. It is a unitary state with administrative subdivisions on two levels known as counties (fylke) and municipalities (kommuner). The Sámi people have a certain amount of self-determination and influence over traditional territories through the Sámi Parliament and the Finnmark Act. Although having rejected European Union membership in two referenda, Norway maintains close ties with the union and its member countries, as well as with the United States. Norway remains one of the biggest financial contributors to the United Nations,[11] and participates with UN forces in international missions, notably in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Sudan and Libya. Norway is a founding member of the United Nations, NATO, the Council of Europe, and the Nordic Council; a member of the European Economic Area, the WTO, and the OECD; and is also a part of Schengen Area.

                            Wikipedia

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Communism or Socialism will never work for both philosophies go against the very nature of us humans.  We want to own things.  We want to have control over our land, our gold/silver, and our actions.  Marxists wish to remove that control.  They want that power for themselves.  That is why marxists must remove the ability of the individual to fight back.