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Quote: Originally posted by jackpotchasing on Mar 12, 2018
Hey Dracos,
Are you talking about the old gold rush #1249 last top prize of $3M ? The gap on those prizes has been around 135,000 books give or take for the prize has odds of around 4M:1 and so far 14 of the 15 $3M prizes have been claimed. I used to play that game pretty heavy and was emailing the lottery all the time for the winning ticket numbers every time a $3M prize was claimed. I do remember a huge gap around book number 500k and know the lottery skipped a bunch of numbers when printing the books for there should have only been 2,016,000 total books of 30 tickets printed yet i am finding books locally at 2,198,000 and up.
Hey Jackpotchasing,
Yes, sir! Right now, that's the only game of interest to me, since 1 in 6 books has a $500 winner and the unclaimed monster prizes out there...which should exist.
Most of the new books now seem to be at the end of the print. The 2.2m or 222 range is the highest book number I've seen. Most Publix stores around here seem to have 219-222
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Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Mar 12, 2018
Hey Jackpotchasing,
Yes, sir! Right now, that's the only game of interest to me, since 1 in 6 books has a $500 winner and the unclaimed monster prizes out there...which should exist.
Most of the new books now seem to be at the end of the print. The 2.2m or 222 range is the highest book number I've seen. Most Publix stores around here seem to have 219-222
I thought so, this game seems kind of fishy to me since at one point the last $3M prize disappeared and the website showed a big zero remaining $3M prize ....then all of a sudden it shows 1 after some members here complained or inquired about what happened....not sure what the real story is on this game but hopefully since its a $20 game and been around forever that all the big remaining prizes on the latest IRL are really there and can actually be won by some forum members :)
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Quote: Originally posted by BuyLow on Mar 12, 2018
So the whole "The FL Lottery" destroys tickets bothered me for a while....
Just ran into a Lottery Rep who confirmed that indeed, open and potentially winning books ARE DESTROYED.
However, once he scans them for destruction, a corresponding new book is printed with the same winning tickets in it and is then distributed.
This I can live with, lol.
That's the only person I've ever heard of claiming a new one is printed, and this includes people in the (executive offices?) in Tallahassee. If a new one were printed, the ILRs wouldn't be so incredibly off.
Pensacola United States
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Quote: Originally posted by BuyLow on Mar 12, 2018
So the whole "The FL Lottery" destroys tickets bothered me for a while....
Just ran into a Lottery Rep who confirmed that indeed, open and potentially winning books ARE DESTROYED.
However, once he scans them for destruction, a corresponding new book is printed with the same winning tickets in it and is then distributed.
This I can live with, lol.
Yeah this is a pipe dream lol. Once the tickets are printed in the first place they are done, except RE orders which are different then what you describe. It would be nice if they even said they were even scanning them in as claimed prizes but that’s not the case...
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Quote: Originally posted by skeptic on Mar 12, 2018
Skeptic, I would take anything she says with a grain of salt... I have asked her stuff that I already knew the answer to nd she had to research it.. like pools in the scratch off tickets... I know that she can let us talk to production and people in the scratch off department...
BTW here is a REAL stumper for everyone! The Florida statues regarding any and all prizes are super vague. But I think they they need to show the accounting of unclaimed prizes that are taken in under their accountability to the secretary generals office.
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So, I will write a book one day about the corruption around the individual state level tickets and accounting practices, but yes this is a remaining loophole in a lot of state lotteries. The tickets are not deactivated out of the system out of the excuse they are left activated at a "book" level to ensure people who bought the original tickets have a chance to cash them in. The simple solution for them would be to scratch them and scan them out to ensure prizes were de-listed, however this can lead to mal-practice where the lottery intentionally sends out end of a prize pool in which via pooling they know the top prize will be in the last 1-3% to places where they know the tickets won't sell and eventually close the game without it being claimed. If you think I'm crazy let me tell you a story that correlates with Adam's story of a lottery representative trying to pull the tickets while we are playing them when a game was suddenly closed. I played a Cash for Life 10 dollar game for at least 2-3 years. There were 3 top prizes and the first top prize was held back until they were 10-20% through the second pool. It was super obvious when the book numbers jumped excluding a 15k book ticket section and very easy to track. When the winning ticket section was released it was won within 2 weeks 90 minutes from where i live so no big deal. The problem I have with this game was 1-2 years later when the game was down to 30-35% of tickets remaining aka the end of the 2nd pool suddenly they put the game on the closure list. I frantically bought all the tickets I could find to no avail, but something super odd was done to the store I played at which via I and a couple of my close friends bought a high volume at this store. The lottery sent the store 3 already activated books which is out of standard practice and said they had to pay for them upfront. If anyone knows how inventory is done they send book numbers to certain terminals and only those terminals can activate the books unless a rep transfers the, in the inventory system. Well, in hindsight I should of bought all 3 books, but I ended up playing through 2 of them in 3 days. On the 3rd day I stopped to buy the rest and the store owner basically told me that the rep had come and picked up the last book..... If you don't think they have a good idea of where the prizes are or how they are sent out I would say you are dreaming. The corruption holds true for smaller lotteries unlike Florida where there are tons of pools per top prize in which they don't gain a lot by intentionally manipulating out top prizes. I have a couple of games where an unnamed lottery right to 2/3rds of the way through the game then pulled the game with 2/3 top prizes remaining. This is actually getting too common in our state and quite frankly I think they should all go to jail for pushing profits at the cost of fairness to players. Another thing to be addressed is when a prize is won, but via theft or a place losing their lottery license. In this case the prize is pulled and never put back into the game. In these cases I think a class action lawsuit against the state lotteries should be filed due to the fact that the odds are falsified at that time. Everything should be done to protect the integrity of the game, however the privatized lotteries keep pushing there limits in terms of turning profits which comes at the cost of the individual players. I don't typically post on this subject, but all people want is that dream to hit it big and unfortunately there are organizations that would like to not pay out that dream and profit off it.
I have a theory on how the final 3 million on Gold Rush was removed, but I'm not sure how Florida's inventory control system is configured and how it could possibly be tied in to the top prize list. Depending on a few of the facts it could go either way.
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Quote: Originally posted by Zebekyia on Mar 12, 2018
So, I will write a book one day about the corruption around the individual state level tickets and accounting practices, but yes this is a remaining loophole in a lot of state lotteries. The tickets are not deactivated out of the system out of the excuse they are left activated at a "book" level to ensure people who bought the original tickets have a chance to cash them in. The simple solution for them would be to scratch them and scan them out to ensure prizes were de-listed, however this can lead to mal-practice where the lottery intentionally sends out end of a prize pool in which via pooling they know the top prize will be in the last 1-3% to places where they know the tickets won't sell and eventually close the game without it being claimed. If you think I'm crazy let me tell you a story that correlates with Adam's story of a lottery representative trying to pull the tickets while we are playing them when a game was suddenly closed. I played a Cash for Life 10 dollar game for at least 2-3 years. There were 3 top prizes and the first top prize was held back until they were 10-20% through the second pool. It was super obvious when the book numbers jumped excluding a 15k book ticket section and very easy to track. When the winning ticket section was released it was won within 2 weeks 90 minutes from where i live so no big deal. The problem I have with this game was 1-2 years later when the game was down to 30-35% of tickets remaining aka the end of the 2nd pool suddenly they put the game on the closure list. I frantically bought all the tickets I could find to no avail, but something super odd was done to the store I played at which via I and a couple of my close friends bought a high volume at this store. The lottery sent the store 3 already activated books which is out of standard practice and said they had to pay for them upfront. If anyone knows how inventory is done they send book numbers to certain terminals and only those terminals can activate the books unless a rep transfers the, in the inventory system. Well, in hindsight I should of bought all 3 books, but I ended up playing through 2 of them in 3 days. On the 3rd day I stopped to buy the rest and the store owner basically told me that the rep had come and picked up the last book..... If you don't think they have a good idea of where the prizes are or how they are sent out I would say you are dreaming. The corruption holds true for smaller lotteries unlike Florida where there are tons of pools per top prize in which they don't gain a lot by intentionally manipulating out top prizes. I have a couple of games where an unnamed lottery right to 2/3rds of the way through the game then pulled the game with 2/3 top prizes remaining. This is actually getting too common in our state and quite frankly I think they should all go to jail for pushing profits at the cost of fairness to players. Another thing to be addressed is when a prize is won, but via theft or a place losing their lottery license. In this case the prize is pulled and never put back into the game. In these cases I think a class action lawsuit against the state lotteries should be filed due to the fact that the odds are falsified at that time. Everything should be done to protect the integrity of the game, however the privatized lotteries keep pushing there limits in terms of turning profits which comes at the cost of the individual players. I don't typically post on this subject, but all people want is that dream to hit it big and unfortunately there are organizations that would like to not pay out that dream and profit off it.
I have a theory on how the final 3 million on Gold Rush was removed, but I'm not sure how Florida's inventory control system is configured and how it could possibly be tied in to the top prize list. Depending on a few of the facts it could go either way.
To add to something you said, there's an even easier way than the suggestion of scratching each one and scanning them out. They already have an option to activate books and settle books. All they need to do is add an option to 'destroy' (or whatever you want to call it) books. That option would only exist at the main office, or at a terminal at SG. All destroyed books get sent there. When a book comes in that is partially sold, the person (one person) whose job it is will do it the same way retailers load the vending machines. They scan the books starting and ending ticket, under the 'destroy' option, and the database updates the system for any tickets that were winners in that batch. Preferably by adding a line to the database showing a new column for "DESTROYED" .. Otherwise there'd still be no accounting for unsold winners (actually it'd hide it better if this theoretical option just updated the 'claimed' column, as in the end it'd show 100% claimed across the board, or near that). At the very least, this would keep the inventory more accurate.
For clarity, scanning the last and first ticket is done because then the system (for example) knows that ONLY tickets 10-59 on game #1234 are being destroyed. All others are ignored and left alone. This gets around their (nonsense) excuse that people need to cash in others from the book. When Publix puts a book in the machine, they're doing the same thing. They scan the bin it's going in, then they scan the first and last ticket so the vending machine knows what's there and how many.
Their system is updated all the time, and adding this functionality - for one terminal mind you - would not be a stretch or difficult.
In short, the fix to the lack of accounting of destroyed tickets is not hard for them. It's just incredibly more beneficial for them to ignore the problem.
And regarding Gold Rush 1249. I'm not convinced yet that the last jackpot has been destroyed, but only because, as someone has pointed out, FL Lotto says there are over 800k tickets remaining. Rounding a tiny bit, that's about 20% of the last 4 million tickets of the game. This of course assumes that the unclaimed jackpot comes from that last section (I haven't seen the claimed grand prizes' book #s).
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I think we all know the Florida lottery can do better but sadly they won’t until faced with backlash, lawsuit, etc. us suggesting anything will fall in death ears.
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I am entering my loser X tickets which I have A LOT OF! I noticed this on the lottery site:
The Florida Lottery® will also post one promo code live on Facebook during each of the six 30th Birthday Cash Spectacular Second Chance Promotion entry periods. Players may earn 25 extra entries by entering the promo code designated for that entry period. Additionally, after each of the Facebook live videos conclude, players will be encouraged to view the Florida Lottery's Instagram story, where a second promo code will be posted, to earn 10 extra entries. In order to enable the promo code entry feature, a player must first enter a non-winning FLORIDA X THE CASH ticket into the promotion.
I cannot seem to locate the promo code on Facebook or the Instagram story for the second promo code, is there anyone out there who can help me out?
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Quote: Originally posted by WinBig1961 on Mar 13, 2018
I am entering my loser X tickets which I have A LOT OF! I noticed this on the lottery site:
The Florida Lottery® will also post one promo code live on Facebook during each of the six 30th Birthday Cash Spectacular Second Chance Promotion entry periods. Players may earn 25 extra entries by entering the promo code designated for that entry period. Additionally, after each of the Facebook live videos conclude, players will be encouraged to view the Florida Lottery's Instagram story, where a second promo code will be posted, to earn 10 extra entries. In order to enable the promo code entry feature, a player must first enter a non-winning FLORIDA X THE CASH ticket into the promotion.
I cannot seem to locate the promo code on Facebook or the Instagram story for the second promo code, is there anyone out there who can help me out?
yeah your too late for the last promo code for facebook and instagram for this coming drawing.. The next ones will be next week....
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Well I think I'm moving fully back to $10k a week. The grind on 100X has eaten me a new one... Got a lot of entries for this weeks drawing tgh but as we all know the odds on that are like the powerball lol.
SO anyone seen or heard anything new on the $10K? Its been a long time since I have heard of anything on the social media front on it.
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Does it seem like the fast majority of prizes are in south and central florida? I went thru the list of winners for the $20 and $25 games for the past two years and only two were from pensacola and like three more from the entire panhandle...