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LottoBoner,

Caitlin's book is not about systems, it's about how the lotteries put together a game before they offer it to be played.

I had a copy and gave it to thje local library and it got stolen, bought another copy, gave it to the library, and it got stolen too.

It's not a come on or a promo for any other book or software.

"it's about how the lotteries put together a game before they offer it to be played."

When you were in Vegas, how many gamblers asked you how were all the table games put together?

Anyone seeing the 175 million to 1 odds against winning the jackpot can figure out that game wasn't put together to be easy to win. Your mileage may vary, but I think SkyLine is looking for a "how to win" lotto book.

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    Stack47,

    Funny you should ask that. Most players are set in their ways, many of those ways bad. If I may digress for a minute, one casino I worked in had a heavy Hawaiin trade. They bet good money but played rahter bad. Had a hang up about hav ing to see a number roll before they placed it......they did this so much we called those bets "Hawaiin come bets".............

    8

    Put 'em on 8

    6 Pit 'em on 6.....

    etc... had they been making place bets right off they would have been getting paid instead of waiting to see the number then place it.

    SO, after work we'd take them to the Horseshoe and show them how to play a little better. Sometimes they'd even make a score. But after we left they'd go right back to the first casino and revert to their normal play.

    That's players......as for dealers, we would joke around and ask questions like, "What rolls more, 2 or 12?".....and get answers like, "I've seen a whole lot more 12s than 2's!"

    I'm not kidding.

    Another lulu is Caribbean stud. I don't think I ever saw a player who said they loved that game know what the odds were against being dealt a royal.

    Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Have you ever seen a lottery book Written by a multi millionaire....What?

      Of course NOT if there system worked would they not use it....What?

      Their money comes from lottery losers that want to find a way of winning....

      Hey when is the last time you have seen Gail Howard or Richard lustig getting on TV with the Big Check....What?

      Stupidity keeps their books selling so they make more money. 

      Do your own research and make your own system at least then you have some control over your own destiny....

      You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me?Patriot


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        Stack47,

        Funny you should ask that. Most players are set in their ways, many of those ways bad. If I may digress for a minute, one casino I worked in had a heavy Hawaiin trade. They bet good money but played rahter bad. Had a hang up about hav ing to see a number roll before they placed it......they did this so much we called those bets "Hawaiin come bets".............

        8

        Put 'em on 8

        6 Pit 'em on 6.....

        etc... had they been making place bets right off they would have been getting paid instead of waiting to see the number then place it.

        SO, after work we'd take them to the Horseshoe and show them how to play a little better. Sometimes they'd even make a score. But after we left they'd go right back to the first casino and revert to their normal play.

        That's players......as for dealers, we would joke around and ask questions like, "What rolls more, 2 or 12?".....and get answers like, "I've seen a whole lot more 12s than 2's!"

        I'm not kidding.

        Another lulu is Caribbean stud. I don't think I ever saw a player who said they loved that game know what the odds were against being dealt a royal.

        Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it.

        I think its common knowledge that the lottery is always ahead of the player.

        Which makes it strange about all the paranaoia about, if I post this number the lottery will make sure it doesn't come out.

        Since we are talking about which is the better book, then LMG must be better than Don Catlins book, as LMG, gives tips on what to look for.

        GH also tells you how to construct the charts on paper.

        Many players use pen and paper charts,  I have a few myself.

        Excel beats pen and paper any day, and I find my self printing out quite a few excel charts so I can highlight anamolies.

        Nobody puts a gun to anybodys head to buy the GH software.

        If you dont know excel, if you are serios about winning then its a good investment.

        Many players refuse to also believe the difficulty in winning and the required work necessary to find an edge. 

        I have done extensive research above and beyond what gail states in her book, but many people believe that the LMG is a good starting point.

        I dont think Catlins book is a good starting point, because of the people here on LP that push that book.

        If you dont want to purchase the software, you can download the DigitMaster program here on LP for free.  And there are even a few free PDF to read.

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          Have you ever seen a lottery book Written by a multi millionaire....What?

          Of course NOT if there system worked would they not use it....What?

          Their money comes from lottery losers that want to find a way of winning....

          Hey when is the last time you have seen Gail Howard or Richard lustig getting on TV with the Big Check....What?

          Stupidity keeps their books selling so they make more money. 

          Do your own research and make your own system at least then you have some control over your own destiny....


          Would more people buy a, how to win a sport book, from a famous player or a famous coach?

          One has to seperate systems from how to play better instruction manuals.

          A system is usually something like. 

          Win the Lottery Almost Every Time You Play !!!

          Write your favorite three to five combinations across the top of a sheet of paper.

          Add a one to each number.  01-09-24-32-33-49 + 1 = 02-10-25-33-34-01

          Continue doing so until coming back around to the original combinations.

          You will likely have a three number win or better 8 or 9 times out of 10 games.

          Unless your original combinations are of really low quality, in which case send us your combinations and we will convert them to the Pro Version for only $29.95

          Whereas a lottery manual should explain how the game is best played in the author's opinion.  History of the game, resources, strategies, terms, wheels, etc.  There is nothing wrong with paying a little to get a leg up on a game, if you want to win that is.  Otherwise continue buying a six pack and a scratchoff.

          Is there any guarantee you will win lotto after reading a guide book?  No more then you will be able to do anything else you may read a guide book about doing.  It's just suggestions, you decide whether they are worth putting into action in your situation.

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            Stack47,

            Funny you should ask that. Most players are set in their ways, many of those ways bad. If I may digress for a minute, one casino I worked in had a heavy Hawaiin trade. They bet good money but played rahter bad. Had a hang up about hav ing to see a number roll before they placed it......they did this so much we called those bets "Hawaiin come bets".............

            8

            Put 'em on 8

            6 Pit 'em on 6.....

            etc... had they been making place bets right off they would have been getting paid instead of waiting to see the number then place it.

            SO, after work we'd take them to the Horseshoe and show them how to play a little better. Sometimes they'd even make a score. But after we left they'd go right back to the first casino and revert to their normal play.

            That's players......as for dealers, we would joke around and ask questions like, "What rolls more, 2 or 12?".....and get answers like, "I've seen a whole lot more 12s than 2's!"

            I'm not kidding.

            Another lulu is Caribbean stud. I don't think I ever saw a player who said they loved that game know what the odds were against being dealt a royal.

            Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it.

            "Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it."

            There are many more "how will you spend and how will you collect your jackpot winnings" topics than, if any "do you know the odds against" topics on LP. The Lottery Changed My Life is another hot topic. Do we really need a book to know someone will win about 25 PB and MM jackpots a year and a few players will win prizes between $250,000 and $2 million?

            The truth behind MM is 99.2% of all winning tickets will be winners of $10 or less, but more than $21 million will be spent trying to win the next jackpot and even more if the run continues.

            "What rolls more, 2 or 12?".....and get answers like, "I've seen a whole lot more 12s than 2's!"

            A more interesting and factual read would be similar to your Craps stories. Tell your story about the "Hawaiian come bets" and explain why the odds of those numbers being rolled are the same right after the point is established and right after that number is rolled.

            I can understand why they believe they see a whole lot more 12s is because the southern Nevada casinos also must believe there are more 12s than 2s; a 12 is barred and a push on Don't bets. More 2's must be rolled in Northern Nevada because they bar the 2. Catlin can explain why the 2 or 12 is barred, but what's the logic behind choosing either the 2 or 12?

            The question should be, will knowing the truth behind the number encourage lottery players not to play or will they say "how about that" and continue buying a dollar for a dream?


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              Stack47, you said, "The question should be, will knowing the truth behind the number encourage lottery players not to play or will they say 'how about that' and continue buying a dollar for a dream?"

              Why should that be the question?  It's rhetorical.  As you've pointed out many times, the odds are posted at all the state websites, and people continue to play in spite of them.  They play because they know they have a chance to win the jackpot if they do, and no chance if they don't.  What I think 'The question should be' is would people be willing to spend their lottery money on anything other than tickets if they knew there is absolutely no way for them to increase their chances of winning a jackpot, other than to buy more tickets?

              You believe there ARE ways to engineer an edge to win a jackpot; I do not, and I think I've demonstrated that fact many times over the last couple of years.  The reason you don't like Catlin's lottery book is because he agrees with me.  I don't think there is anything more I can say to dissuade you from your belief because your NEED to believe it is too strong.  Consequently, I think it would be a waste of my time to discuss this any further with YOU.

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                Stack47,

                It doesn't matter if 2 or 12 is barred, as long as it is one or the other, it's just marketing......."Hey, I was playing up in Reno and they bar 2, not 12". That doesn't pass the so what test and would also be a dead giveaway of a tourist speaking.

                But if you ever see a layout where the 3 is barred, beware, it signifies an illegal game.

                A long time ago a couple of joints advertised they paid 5 in the field, but said nothing about not having 9 in the field. Same exact odds, gimmick.

                For all those "How I will spend the money I haven't won topics", for all those systems that "produce jackpots" (and grow your hair back), well, how many systems, how many tickets played, and how many jackpots paid a year? Most of them that are paid going to quick picks.

                As I mentioned with Carribbean Stud, players are going to play. There was once a thread asking at what price ticket would you stop playing and quite a few people said never.

                The topic here is the best book, nicht var?

                One more time, the desire for there to be a system that produces jackpot winners does more to sell systems and books about systems than any actual results from such a book.

                Consider the comments from people who have bought Lustig's book.

                Just as a sidebar.......back when the game of Faro was popular in casinos a lot of players were illiterate. Going up against the game wsas called "Bucking the tiger"  and since they were illiterate to let them know where the game was there was a banner with a tiger on it.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  "it's about how the lotteries put together a game before they offer it to be played."

                  When you were in Vegas, how many gamblers asked you how were all the table games put together?

                  Anyone seeing the 175 million to 1 odds against winning the jackpot can figure out that game wasn't put together to be easy to win. Your mileage may vary, but I think SkyLine is looking for a "how to win" lotto book.

                  Exactly stack ..... I'm looking for that same pattern in games that the little old lady each dAy  goes into the 7/11 to collect her daily winnings. It's out there

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                    Stack47, you said, "The question should be, will knowing the truth behind the number encourage lottery players not to play or will they say 'how about that' and continue buying a dollar for a dream?"

                    Why should that be the question?  It's rhetorical.  As you've pointed out many times, the odds are posted at all the state websites, and people continue to play in spite of them.  They play because they know they have a chance to win the jackpot if they do, and no chance if they don't.  What I think 'The question should be' is would people be willing to spend their lottery money on anything other than tickets if they knew there is absolutely no way for them to increase their chances of winning a jackpot, other than to buy more tickets?

                    You believe there ARE ways to engineer an edge to win a jackpot; I do not, and I think I've demonstrated that fact many times over the last couple of years.  The reason you don't like Catlin's lottery book is because he agrees with me.  I don't think there is anything more I can say to dissuade you from your belief because your NEED to believe it is too strong.  Consequently, I think it would be a waste of my time to discuss this any further with YOU.

                    --Jimmy4164

                    "would people be willing to spend their lottery money on anything other than tickets if they knew there is absolutely no way for them to increase their chances of winning a jackpot, other than to buy more tickets?"

                    I don't know what's going on between your ears, but I assume players buy a ticket for a chance at winning millions and some buy more tickets to get extra chances. It's none of my business if they have to make a choice between buying a life changing chance or other stuff. What else have you bought for a buck that could be worth millions?

                    "You believe there ARE ways to engineer an edge to win a jackpot; I do not, and I think I've demonstrated that fact many times over the last couple of years."

                    Because a player explained his method of play to me, showed me his tickets BEFORE the drawing, and I saw his picture holding the giant check on the state web site. He didn't engineer an edge, he simply arranged a group of numbers into combos and one matched the drawn numbers. Are you saying it's impossible for any player to pick numbers that will match the drawn numbers?

                    "The reason you don't like Catlin's lottery book is because he agrees with me."

                    In the first chapter Catlin talks about people lining up outside a store on the California/Nevada border to buy lottery tickets as if thousands of other people haven't witnessed the same thing in several other states with stores that sell lottery tickets. When I first saw the "phenomenon" in 2000, the sign saying Big Game jackpot at $360 million explained it all. In his book description he says"

                    "Despite the fact that we players all know the odds are a million to one against winning those big jackpots, most of us don't know the nature of these games or the math behind them or, yes, how to most effectively play them."

                    I agree that most don't know how to most effectively play them and Catlin believes, like me it's possible that some can effectively play them. You said it was impossible and disagree with Catlin.

                    "I don't think there is anything more I can say to dissuade you from your belief because your NEED to believe it is too strong."

                    Millions of dollars are paid out to pick-3 and pick-4 winners across the country every day, every week, and every year, yet you say it's impossible for anyone to make a steady income from playing those games. I know it's possible for players to pick numbers using a strategy and win a jackpot because I witnessed it. I know millions of players are buying dreams, dreams come true so why do you feel the NEED to persuade them not too?

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                      Stack47,

                      It doesn't matter if 2 or 12 is barred, as long as it is one or the other, it's just marketing......."Hey, I was playing up in Reno and they bar 2, not 12". That doesn't pass the so what test and would also be a dead giveaway of a tourist speaking.

                      But if you ever see a layout where the 3 is barred, beware, it signifies an illegal game.

                      A long time ago a couple of joints advertised they paid 5 in the field, but said nothing about not having 9 in the field. Same exact odds, gimmick.

                      For all those "How I will spend the money I haven't won topics", for all those systems that "produce jackpots" (and grow your hair back), well, how many systems, how many tickets played, and how many jackpots paid a year? Most of them that are paid going to quick picks.

                      As I mentioned with Carribbean Stud, players are going to play. There was once a thread asking at what price ticket would you stop playing and quite a few people said never.

                      The topic here is the best book, nicht var?

                      One more time, the desire for there to be a system that produces jackpot winners does more to sell systems and books about systems than any actual results from such a book.

                      Consider the comments from people who have bought Lustig's book.

                      Just as a sidebar.......back when the game of Faro was popular in casinos a lot of players were illiterate. Going up against the game wsas called "Bucking the tiger"  and since they were illiterate to let them know where the game was there was a banner with a tiger on it.

                      "A long time ago a couple of joints advertised they paid 5 in the field, but said nothing about not having 9 in the field. Same exact odds, gimmick."

                      Craps is very complicated game to the novice player and a field bet is much easier for them to understand than placing the inside numbers or making come bets with full odds. Even the size of the area used for field bets suggests the house believes more novice players will make that bet. Does a novice player need to read Catlin's articles on craps to understand the table design? 

                      You and I could collaborate and produce the best book with stories about playing craps from both sides of the table, but that book would be useless for anyone looking for the best book on how to win playing craps.

                      "One more time, the desire for there to be a system that produces jackpot winners does more to sell systems and books about systems than any actual results from such a book."

                      Knowing that more people are looking for jackpot winning systems, why would you tell them a book without any systems is the best lotto book?

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                        What's the best lotto book to purchase and why?  I see quite a few books for sale on line and in Todd's book store. Which is/are the best and why?  Also, if you do decide to purchase a book , look ins Todd's store first before buying. May as well give him the Buisness. After all, if it wasn't for him you wouldn't be answering m question.

                        Hello SkyLine69,

                        The first great book in my opinion is nature. If you can read  and apply a little bit of it, i think it would help any lotto endeavor.

                        The 2nd great book, among many, that can help you read the 1st great book, and by extension help in the lotto, is called THE BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO CONSTRUCTING THE UNIVERSE: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature Art and Science. A Voyage from 1 to 10.  It's a simple, thorough and excellently written introduction of these mathematical archetypes embodied in numbers 1 through 10(and 12)...Its beautifully written and illustrated by mathematician Michael S. Schneider. The book will please both right-brain dominant and left-brain dominant types. The plentiful quotes from a diverse multitude of disciplines that are written in the margins of each page is alone worth the price of purchase. If you go to the authors website, please beware that it doesn't do enough justice to his distillation of over 20 years of research into the book. Some of the ideas expressed in the book border on the esoteric, but even if you're not into that, you will still gain much. While it may take some time to contemplate how you can conceptually and then practically apply some of what you'll read to the lotto, I hope you can enjoy the "voyage from 1 to 10".

                        May your numbers be true this day,
                        Kola 

                        Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                          Stack47,

                          Funny you should ask that. Most players are set in their ways, many of those ways bad. If I may digress for a minute, one casino I worked in had a heavy Hawaiin trade. They bet good money but played rahter bad. Had a hang up about hav ing to see a number roll before they placed it......they did this so much we called those bets "Hawaiin come bets".............

                          8

                          Put 'em on 8

                          6 Pit 'em on 6.....

                          etc... had they been making place bets right off they would have been getting paid instead of waiting to see the number then place it.

                          SO, after work we'd take them to the Horseshoe and show them how to play a little better. Sometimes they'd even make a score. But after we left they'd go right back to the first casino and revert to their normal play.

                          That's players......as for dealers, we would joke around and ask questions like, "What rolls more, 2 or 12?".....and get answers like, "I've seen a whole lot more 12s than 2's!"

                          I'm not kidding.

                          Another lulu is Caribbean stud. I don't think I ever saw a player who said they loved that game know what the odds were against being dealt a royal.

                          Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it.

                          "Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it."

                          Based on some of the topics we see maybe "The Truth Behind the Numbers" should be a compulsory read before starting a thread?

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                            "Anyway, my point about how the games are constructed is that no matter what, no matter how much glitter a game appears to have, the lottery is always ahead of the player. But many players refuse to believe it."

                            Based on some of the topics we see maybe "The Truth Behind the Numbers" should be a compulsory read before starting a thread?

                            You may have a point there, tack47.

                            you also said, "

                            Knowing that more people are looking for jackpot winning systems, why would you tell them a book without any systems is the best lotto book?"

                            I'll just say this.....when I was a break-in dealer a few of us were in the gift shop one day looking at the gambling books and our pit boss came in. He saw what we were looking at and said, "Wait til you guys are in the business for awhile....you won't look at any of those and get passed page 6 or do before you figure out that writer is full of baloney, too."

                            I'd say the same holds true for most lotery books. Anyone who reads a system book should indeed read Caitlin's book first to understand why no lotto book has any lottery trembling.

                            Here's a common misbelief with craps.....people who bet the Don't say, "Well, I bet with the house, betting against the shooter?"

                            Oh really, the house is booking the Don't action, too. Think about it.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              What's the best lotto book?

                               

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