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              We are looking for some help for a Doubles Trap in Pick 3.        What is the best strategy math wise....and perhaps backed up with some data.   

 

 

                     question:            What is the most effective Window of Oportunity to catch a double play.....any double? 

 

              Here is a pretty effective day to day strategy suggestion over in the Systems forum.... http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/259964

                       

                   We need to check our ......3 day window suggestion.  The current KILL Zone suggestion is the 8th. 9th and 10th. day window.

         

                                                           This is the current 3 day play window..... then STOP Play after the 10th. day.

 

 Note: This is more a Multi state strategy ......and so

    Out of the approx 69 p3 games going on right now......only 5 state games have reached the 3 day Window of opportunity....and only one that has gone past it so far. Only 4 games are in the current Kill Zone right now. This is about the average at any given time. 

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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       On first consideration we are pulled toward the fact that Doubles on average.... hit approx 99 times a year for a 365 draw game......or about 27% of the time and normally around every 3.7 draws. 

       So, right off the bat..... is a 4th 5th and 6th draw play window more effective? .....or perhaps a 5-6-7 draw window.

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    


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      Posted: April 30, 2013, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

      Good questions. I hope someone can help narrow down which window looks best.

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           On first consideration we are pulled toward the fact that Doubles on average.... hit approx 99 times a year for a 365 draw game......or about 27% of the time and normally around every 3.7 draws. 

           So, right off the bat..... is a 4th 5th and 6th draw play window more effective? .....or perhaps a 5-6-7 draw window.

        Chaz,

        For Fla Eve, the windows are these, the first column are the skips, second column the hits. We are currently at 9 skips. The max skip is 23. There are a total of 510 hits.

        D115029%
        D224348%
        D331963%
        D438676%
        D541782%
        D644387%
        D745890%
        D846992%
        D947994%
        D1049096%
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             On first consideration we are pulled toward the fact that Doubles on average.... hit approx 99 times a year for a 365 draw game......or about 27% of the time and normally around every 3.7 draws. 

             So, right off the bat..... is a 4th 5th and 6th draw play window more effective? .....or perhaps a 5-6-7 draw window.

          Since you started with mathematics, why don't you solve the problem with mathematics?

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            Chaz,

            For Fla Eve, the windows are these, the first column are the skips, second column the hits. We are currently at 9 skips. The max skip is 23. There are a total of 510 hits.

            D115029%
            D224348%
            D331963%
            D438676%
            D541782%
            D644387%
            D745890%
            D846992%
            D947994%
            D1049096%

            Is skip 1 in your reasonning a skip 0 or repetition?

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              Posted: April 30, 2013, 1:05 pm - IP Logged

              skip 1 is retition!

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                skip 1 is retition!

                CBCBCBCBSKIPFCFRFCRF
                D115029%015015029%29%
                D224348%19324319%48%
                D331963%27631915%63%
                D438676%36738613%76%
                D541782%4314176%82%
                D644387%5264435%87%
                D745890%6154583%90%
                D846992%7114692%92%
                D947994%8104792%94%
                D1049096%9114902%96%

                Should be this.

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                  CBCBCBCBSKIPFCFRFCRF
                  D115029%015015029%29%
                  D224348%19324319%48%
                  D331963%27631915%63%
                  D438676%36738613%76%
                  D541782%4314176%82%
                  D644387%5264435%87%
                  D745890%6154583%90%
                  D846992%7114692%92%
                  D947994%8104792%94%
                  D1049096%9114902%96%

                  Should be this.

                  Serge, you are correct! Nice work,

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                       On first consideration we are pulled toward the fact that Doubles on average.... hit approx 99 times a year for a 365 draw game......or about 27% of the time and normally around every 3.7 draws. 

                       So, right off the bat..... is a 4th 5th and 6th draw play window more effective? .....or perhaps a 5-6-7 draw window.

                    ''Probability and statistics are two related but separate  academic disciplines Statistical analysis often uses  probability distributions, and the two topics are often studied together. However,  probability theory contains much that is of mostly of  mathematical interest and not directly relevant to statistics. Moreover, many topics in statistics are independent of probability theory''.- Wikipedia.

                    When dealing with random events, philosophical approach is your best bet. You want to bet only doubles? find a point of reference, stats percentile is too wide and does not tell  you much. A point of reference could be members of the Sample Size, it could be the  relation between members  etc. etc. The point of reference  should be self-induced without  awareness, a good place is generating$stringsstrings  takes care of distinct, doubles picks.

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                      ''Probability and statistics are two related but separate  academic disciplines Statistical analysis often uses  probability distributions, and the two topics are often studied together. However,  probability theory contains much that is of mostly of  mathematical interest and not directly relevant to statistics. Moreover, many topics in statistics are independent of probability theory''.- Wikipedia.

                      When dealing with random events, philosophical approach is your best bet. You want to bet only doubles? find a point of reference, stats percentile is too wide and does not tell  you much. A point of reference could be members of the Sample Size, it could be the  relation between members  etc. etc. The point of reference  should be self-induced without  awareness, a good place is generating$stringsstrings  takes care of distinct, doubles picks.

                      I read words like statistics, academic, analysis, probability, theory, mathematical ... . I read dialect like doubles. I did not read the word bet and payout. You just failed in statistics and probability.

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                        Hello SergeM ..... thanks for those figures up there. Thank you as well Carbob. Finding the best 3 day window for a trap may not be a static situation. In fact the length of the window may also need to be examined again.

                          

                         Speaking of doubles. I have been looking over the doubles and trying to remember a very old stat from years ago.

                                  It was ..... How many times does a double hit back to back in 365 draws......on average of course? All I seem to remember right now is concerning the odds of getting 4 doubles in a row.  Anyone ..anyone ..

                                    The reason is..... I remember bits and pieces of an old Doubles System that relies on waiting for the first double to hit. When the first double hits it would then require betting doubles the next 3 or 4 draws....or......until the next double hits.

                         

                         

                        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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                          I read words like statistics, academic, analysis, probability, theory, mathematical ... . I read dialect like doubles. I did not read the word bet and payout. You just failed in statistics and probability.

                          Sorry, but you got to read between the lines, philosophical approach encompasses all,  including ' bets and payouts'

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                            Sorry, but you got to read between the lines, philosophical approach encompasses all,  including ' bets and payouts'

                             Hi adobea78 !  Speaking of doubles... LOL   Right? 

                              How about a philosophical focus on that doubles question up there.

                             

                               I had a sister that worked very hard getting her degree in philosophy.

                              Boy, was she was surprised at the end of her fourth year when her college had "career day".....and none of the big Philosophy Companies even showed up!   LOL

                             

                             

                            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                   Win d    

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                                 On first consideration we are pulled toward the fact that Doubles on average.... hit approx 99 times a year for a 365 draw game......or about 27% of the time and normally around every 3.7 draws. 

                                 So, right off the bat..... is a 4th 5th and 6th draw play window more effective? .....or perhaps a 5-6-7 draw window.

                              These are generated strings based on sequential difference between ' elements of drawn set. Your point of reference is 'digits diff.', so  if your draw set is 123, your  sequential difference is 1-2 and 2-3=1 and 1(regular math with absolute interger). Now, form a combined string for 1 and 1(follow the sequence of subtraction in combo formation). Now from the chart , 1 strings 13708 and  1(could be different digit) strings 13708 , and my combo string is 1370813708= 1133770088(everything is in sequence). Lets use the date  04/21/2013  with the draw set 535 for the State of Ga.  The set 535 has a seq.difference of 5-3 and 3-5 which is 2 and 2  , generating $string combo 246879246879=2244668899(doubles) and 24689(distinct). Reduce string by next draw set,say 939 was the next draw, reduces the double string and distinct string by 939 >22446688 and 2468 ( you are generating doubles and singles at the same time, waging depends on your budget).

                              Picks: 224-226-228-442-446-448-662-664-668-882-884-886

                                           246-248-268-468.

                              digits diff.

                              strings

                              0

                              02819

                              1

                              13708

                              2

                              246879

                              3

                              35768

                              4

                              46574

                              5

                              57346

                              6

                              682435

                              7

                              7013924

                              8

                              80132

                              9

                              0291

                               

                              All observe this, it might help, else is just an  ideal.