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When I look at the QP, isn't winning it considered destiny? It's hard to articulate my thinking here, but I will do the best I can.

Stores that play the lotto have a RNG machine. Let's say the winner came from a gas station in Michigan. Now the way I look it is this, the winner isn't the ticket, it's the RNG machine. So in a way it's predetermined because only that specific RNG machine will spit out those specific numbers. As a player in California(or anywhere that isn't that gas station in Michigan), you lost before you even walked into the store and ordered the QP. You can't change the outcome of the game if you're playing QP. Regardless of whether the drawing has actually taken place, you've already lost because you never stood a chance, not even the 1 and 176 million chance the numbers say that you have, your chance is more like 0. The store you play in will not spit out those winning numbers no matter what. When it's all said and done, only that store in Michigan would have spit out those winning numbers.

We like to think of it as random, and in a way it is, but think of the randomness from outside the scope of time, like God thinking of our universe - outside of time itself. Not so random is it? To us the events that happen in our time are random, not predetermined. But if you can look at our time from the outside, and see the past, present and future, you wouldn't think of things as random.

So let's equate that to the lotto. Now if you view it from inside the scope of time, you see the RNG as a truly random event. But look at it from outside of the scope, you can now see the present and future. You KNOW that RNG will never spit out the winning numbers. You're looking at it from the outside looking in, you see all these people going into that store hoping that RNG connects with the winning numbers and you laugh, because you can see the future, you know it never will. You know the next 6 million combinations that RNG will churn out, and you know none of those are the winning numbers.

So how is it destiny? Well if you're looking it from outside the scope, then you know what specific RNG will churn out the winning numbers. The store in Michigan. No matter what anyone does at any other location playing the QP, it's destiny that the numbers will come from the RNG at the store in Michigan.

You might say playing your own numbers could combat this, but can it? When we pick our own numbers, aren't our brains just another RNG? We think what we're writing down on that slip are random numbers we just thought of, but looking at it from outside the scope of time, you know every number this person will ever come up with, and it will never be the correct numbers. The winners are destined to win whether they played their own numbers or played the QP.

We can change up our strategy a million times, but can we really change fate?


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    When I look at the QP, isn't winning it considered destiny? It's hard to articulate my thinking here, but I will do the best I can.

    Stores that play the lotto have a RNG machine. Let's say the winner came from a gas station in Michigan. Now the way I look it is this, the winner isn't the ticket, it's the RNG machine. So in a way it's predetermined because only that specific RNG machine will spit out those specific numbers. As a player in California(or anywhere that isn't that gas station in Michigan), you lost before you even walked into the store and ordered the QP. You can't change the outcome of the game if you're playing QP. Regardless of whether the drawing has actually taken place, you've already lost because you never stood a chance, not even the 1 and 176 million chance the numbers say that you have, your chance is more like 0. The store you play in will not spit out those winning numbers no matter what. When it's all said and done, only that store in Michigan would have spit out those winning numbers.

    We like to think of it as random, and in a way it is, but think of the randomness from outside the scope of time, like God thinking of our universe - outside of time itself. Not so random is it? To us the events that happen in our time are random, not predetermined. But if you can look at our time from the outside, and see the past, present and future, you wouldn't think of things as random.

    So let's equate that to the lotto. Now if you view it from inside the scope of time, you see the RNG as a truly random event. But look at it from outside of the scope, you can now see the present and future. You KNOW that RNG will never spit out the winning numbers. You're looking at it from the outside looking in, you see all these people going into that store hoping that RNG connects with the winning numbers and you laugh, because you can see the future, you know it never will. You know the next 6 million combinations that RNG will churn out, and you know none of those are the winning numbers.

    So how is it destiny? Well if you're looking it from outside the scope, then you know what specific RNG will churn out the winning numbers. The store in Michigan. No matter what anyone does at any other location playing the QP, it's destiny that the numbers will come from the RNG at the store in Michigan.

    You might say playing your own numbers could combat this, but can it? When we pick our own numbers, aren't our brains just another RNG? We think what we're writing down on that slip are random numbers we just thought of, but looking at it from outside the scope of time, you know every number this person will ever come up with, and it will never be the correct numbers. The winners are destined to win whether they played their own numbers or played the QP.

    We can change up our strategy a million times, but can we really change fate?

    If our fate is already set in place, what happens to free will?

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      Posted: May 5, 2013, 4:29 pm - IP Logged

      If our fate is already set in place, what happens to free will?

      Exactly.

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        When I look at the QP, isn't winning it considered destiny? It's hard to articulate my thinking here, but I will do the best I can.

        Stores that play the lotto have a RNG machine. Let's say the winner came from a gas station in Michigan. Now the way I look it is this, the winner isn't the ticket, it's the RNG machine. So in a way it's predetermined because only that specific RNG machine will spit out those specific numbers. As a player in California(or anywhere that isn't that gas station in Michigan), you lost before you even walked into the store and ordered the QP. You can't change the outcome of the game if you're playing QP. Regardless of whether the drawing has actually taken place, you've already lost because you never stood a chance, not even the 1 and 176 million chance the numbers say that you have, your chance is more like 0. The store you play in will not spit out those winning numbers no matter what. When it's all said and done, only that store in Michigan would have spit out those winning numbers.

        We like to think of it as random, and in a way it is, but think of the randomness from outside the scope of time, like God thinking of our universe - outside of time itself. Not so random is it? To us the events that happen in our time are random, not predetermined. But if you can look at our time from the outside, and see the past, present and future, you wouldn't think of things as random.

        So let's equate that to the lotto. Now if you view it from inside the scope of time, you see the RNG as a truly random event. But look at it from outside of the scope, you can now see the present and future. You KNOW that RNG will never spit out the winning numbers. You're looking at it from the outside looking in, you see all these people going into that store hoping that RNG connects with the winning numbers and you laugh, because you can see the future, you know it never will. You know the next 6 million combinations that RNG will churn out, and you know none of those are the winning numbers.

        So how is it destiny? Well if you're looking it from outside the scope, then you know what specific RNG will churn out the winning numbers. The store in Michigan. No matter what anyone does at any other location playing the QP, it's destiny that the numbers will come from the RNG at the store in Michigan.

        You might say playing your own numbers could combat this, but can it? When we pick our own numbers, aren't our brains just another RNG? We think what we're writing down on that slip are random numbers we just thought of, but looking at it from outside the scope of time, you know every number this person will ever come up with, and it will never be the correct numbers. The winners are destined to win whether they played their own numbers or played the QP.

        We can change up our strategy a million times, but can we really change fate?

        I Agree!

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          Posted: May 5, 2013, 5:31 pm - IP Logged

          If " Destiny" was involved, why stop at the lottery. How about getting a messy divorce,having a blowout in the fast lane on the highway, being robbed of the vacation money with the family in Disneyworld?

          Nope- its just picking the right numbers or the right numbers being dealt to you with a QP.

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            only that specific RNG machine will spit out those specific numbers.

            Not necessarily. More often than not, large jackpot is won by more than one ticket and both tickets are Quick Pick. Every RNG machine has the potential of picking the winning numbers provided that you print the ticket at the exact microsecond when the machine picked the right numbers.

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              If our fate is already set in place, what happens to free will?

              Or are we predestined to believe in free will.

              Scared

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                Or are we predestined to believe in free will.

                Scared

                Ha ha, so true, anything is possible.

                Maybe Jimmy and Bonehead can teach us how to apply the math to this. Drum

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                  Exactly.

                  Right, so I could rob a bank thinking it was part of my destiny to do so.

                  I did no wrong, just did what I was meant to do from the beginning of time right?

                  Silly people. lol

                  At least noise-gate gets it. Thumbs Up

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                    Posted: May 5, 2013, 9:40 pm - IP Logged

                    When I look at the QP, isn't winning it considered destiny? It's hard to articulate my thinking here, but I will do the best I can.

                    Stores that play the lotto have a RNG machine. Let's say the winner came from a gas station in Michigan. Now the way I look it is this, the winner isn't the ticket, it's the RNG machine. So in a way it's predetermined because only that specific RNG machine will spit out those specific numbers. As a player in California(or anywhere that isn't that gas station in Michigan), you lost before you even walked into the store and ordered the QP. You can't change the outcome of the game if you're playing QP. Regardless of whether the drawing has actually taken place, you've already lost because you never stood a chance, not even the 1 and 176 million chance the numbers say that you have, your chance is more like 0. The store you play in will not spit out those winning numbers no matter what. When it's all said and done, only that store in Michigan would have spit out those winning numbers.

                    We like to think of it as random, and in a way it is, but think of the randomness from outside the scope of time, like God thinking of our universe - outside of time itself. Not so random is it? To us the events that happen in our time are random, not predetermined. But if you can look at our time from the outside, and see the past, present and future, you wouldn't think of things as random.

                    So let's equate that to the lotto. Now if you view it from inside the scope of time, you see the RNG as a truly random event. But look at it from outside of the scope, you can now see the present and future. You KNOW that RNG will never spit out the winning numbers. You're looking at it from the outside looking in, you see all these people going into that store hoping that RNG connects with the winning numbers and you laugh, because you can see the future, you know it never will. You know the next 6 million combinations that RNG will churn out, and you know none of those are the winning numbers.

                    So how is it destiny? Well if you're looking it from outside the scope, then you know what specific RNG will churn out the winning numbers. The store in Michigan. No matter what anyone does at any other location playing the QP, it's destiny that the numbers will come from the RNG at the store in Michigan.

                    You might say playing your own numbers could combat this, but can it? When we pick our own numbers, aren't our brains just another RNG? We think what we're writing down on that slip are random numbers we just thought of, but looking at it from outside the scope of time, you know every number this person will ever come up with, and it will never be the correct numbers. The winners are destined to win whether they played their own numbers or played the QP.

                    We can change up our strategy a million times, but can we really change fate?

                    In the next few weeks two or more lottery terminals in about 44 state/jurisdictions will print MM and PB jackpot winning tickets. Should we assume the winners were pre-destined to pick the right store, in the right town, in the right state, and at the right time or were all the circumstances leading them to buy those winning tickets at the right time at the right place, the results of the "Butterfly Effect"?

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                      WOW WTF? LOL some people have to much time on there hands. It's all freaking random. Nothing in lotto predetermined that is crazy talk.

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                        In the next few weeks two or more lottery terminals in about 44 state/jurisdictions will print MM and PB jackpot winning tickets. Should we assume the winners were pre-destined to pick the right store, in the right town, in the right state, and at the right time or were all the circumstances leading them to buy those winning tickets at the right time at the right place, the results of the "Butterfly Effect"?

                        If you assume the winners are pre-destined to win then why not assume they don't even have to buy a ticket, some one else will buy the winning ticket and they will end up cashing it because it was all pre-destined.

                        That must be why some clerks end up cashing in their customers winning ticket, it's all pre-destined.

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          Masone,

                          What about the same QP being sold in different locations?

                          I don't know if that has happened with a jackpot winner in a 5 + 1 game but it certainly has in a 5/39 one.

                          "Double destiny"?

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Winning a jackpot is nothing more than a series of events that can't be quantified.  Were his/her

                            thoughts or actions controlled by some outside force; maybe, maybe not.  It's easy to assume that

                            a person who wins big was the result of some Devinne plan but I would say that the win was just a

                            chance event or a combination of perception, skills and chance etc.... 

                             

                            I had a good friend who was leaving for work one day when she slipped, fell and broke her neck and died

                            there on the spot.  Some would say that she must of been a bad person while others would say God called

                            her home.  The fact is that she slipped, it was a accident.   We all attempt to place reason to such an event

                            so that we can move on with our lives.   In reality the winner could have been anyone who had a ticket for

                            the drawing.   

                             

                            I myself purchased one $2.00 ticket during the power ball run and did not expect to win, however if it would

                            have been me that won the JP I am sure that I would have felt that some Devinne force was at work, at least

                            for a few moments.

                             

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                            I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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                              Posted: May 20, 2013, 10:44 am - IP Logged

                              If you assume the winners are pre-destined to win then why not assume they don't even have to buy a ticket, some one else will buy the winning ticket and they will end up cashing it because it was all pre-destined.

                              That must be why some clerks end up cashing in their customers winning ticket, it's all pre-destined.

                              Over 232 million PB tickets were sold before the deadline and the players could only sit back and wait for the results. It was the numbers drawn that determined the winner and not where or win the tickets were bought. For the winner to say they it was destiny, they would have to retrace every step they took in their lifetime and the events leading to their conception. Any slight miscue along the way could have prevented their destiny from being fulfilled.

                              If the winner was destined to win the jackpot, they were destined to buy the ticket at certain place and at a certain time. For that to happen all the actions of all the individual who crossed paths with the winner were predetermined. There are just too many factors to consider so the only logical conclusion is they won because they bought a ticket and the numbers on the ticket matched the drawing.