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Pisces77

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Jun 3, 2013, 6:43 pm

Game Alert! ALL OR NOTHING GAME SALES ARE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE WHILE A GAME DESIGN ISSUE IS ADDRESSED.

Wonder What That's All About...
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Jun 3, 2013, 10:17 pm

Well, I look at it this way .... The Texas Two Step is 1:1,832,600 odds vs All or Nothing which is 1:2,704,156 to hit the jackpot.... The Two Step starts out at $200,000 and can get as high as $1,000,000 on the same odds for $1 play. I stopped playing the All or Nothing game because of the $2 price point and the high odds that stays at $250,000 for the top prize.

Just to break even on a $2 bet, you have to battle 1:11 odds.

On the Cash 5 game, you bet a $1 and you have a 1:9 chance to win $2.

The All or Nothing game prize tiers are not worth the effort.

Design flaw is an understatement ... Any decent lottery player with common sense will see that the All or Nothing game is simply not worth the effort.

I've been keeping stats and tracking the game since day 1 ... I'll wait until they figure out how to lure system players back by making it worth our while... in the mean time ... I'll play the other games
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Jun 3, 2013, 10:19 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Pisces77 on Jun 3, 2013
Game Alert! ALL OR NOTHING GAME SALES ARE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE WHILE A GAME DESIGN ISSUE IS ADDRESSED.

Wonder What That's All About...

It's all about hiding another bobblehead move by the TLC. Exceutive Director Gary Grief says they "will take any and all necessary steps to protect the financial interests of the State of Texas."

What that means is: We're LOSING MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He goes on to say in the first 8 months this game has generated 62.5 million in sales with 36.7 million paid out to winners. (Since the players share is set at 50%, and TLC is paying out MORE THAN 50%, he means to say, "you guys are taking more than your fair share and we can't have that!")

Texas expected to offer a game you couldn't win, but they have had (correct) 29 $250,000 winners along with the cost of lower tier prizes. The game is only selling about 35,000 tickets per draw.

Bottom line: There is no profit in losing money.

Although they won't sell tickets, they will conduct draws since they have sold multi-draw tickets. Hehehe.....imagine how bad it gets if they have a couple more jackpots won!

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Jun 3, 2013, 11:22 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 3, 2013

It's all about hiding another bobblehead move by the TLC. Exceutive Director Gary Grief says they "will take any and all necessary steps to protect the financial interests of the State of Texas."

What that means is: We're LOSING MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He goes on to say in the first 8 months this game has generated 62.5 million in sales with 36.7 million paid out to winners. (Since the players share is set at 50%, and TLC is paying out MORE THAN 50%, he means to say, "you guys are taking more than your fair share and we can't have that!")

Texas expected to offer a game you couldn't win, but they have had (correct) 29 $250,000 winners along with the cost of lower tier prizes. The game is only selling about 35,000 tickets per draw.

Bottom line: There is no profit in losing money.

Although they won't sell tickets, they will conduct draws since they have sold multi-draw tickets. Hehehe.....imagine how bad it gets if they have a couple more jackpots won!

The game is paying out 58.72% of their sales, but only two of the LP lifetime predictors who can make daily imaginary $400 bets are averaging a higher percentage. Only two did better in the last 30 days and nobody in either showed a profit.

Hot Predictors (Last 30 Days by Prize Ratio)

	Member	Prize Ratio	Wagers	Winnings
1.	CajunWin4	63.70%	$2,000	$1,274
2.	AriesDaRam	58.88%	$450	$265
3.	BigDMike	52.51%	$1,272	$668
4.	PecosBill	48.94%	$1,896	$928
5.	colatrips	48.34%	$1,148	$555
6.	A12breal	46.83%	$506	$237
7.	cbr$	44.35%	$9,264	$4,109
8.	Lee	43.25%	$1,660	$718
9.	BigTymer	42.70%	$1,096	$468
10.	Stack47	40.14%	$3,776	$1,516

Highest Lifetime Prize Ratio

	Member	Prize Ratio	Wagers	Winnings
1.	StormChaser666	73.42%	$1,400	$1,028
2.	PecosBill	65.73%	$6,493	$4,268
3.	BigDMike	58.60%	$1,638	$960
4.	Litebets27	57.87%	$2,450	$1,418
5.	JonnyBgood07	51.58%	$78,528	$40,512
6.	SergeM	49.96%	$6,612	$3,304
7.	MmeFlorida	49.26%	$11,100	$5,468
8.	colatrips	48.34%	$1,148	$555
9.	butch2030	47.07%	$12,300	$5,790
10.	MADDOG10	47.06%	$118,319	$55,683

The game is still keeping 41.28% of the sales and averaging $3.2 million per month in profits. Because the majority of wins are $2, it's likely if those wins aren't spent back into the game, they will spend it on other games.

Basically the Texas Lottery Commission is saying "we're not making a large enough profit so we're changing the game".

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Jun 3, 2013, 11:37 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Pisces77 on Jun 3, 2013
Game Alert! ALL OR NOTHING GAME SALES ARE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE WHILE A GAME DESIGN ISSUE IS ADDRESSED.

Wonder What That's All About...

It looks like they want to limit how much a player or players can wager on certain numbers. Just like certain numbers in P3 and P4 can be sold out and sales stopped for that particular number. Think 911 on September 11th. For example, I like to play all even when I played this game. Now there might be someone who plays 5 or more tickets that are all even for one draw. A win like that would put a major dent in the lottery commission's wallet.

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Jun 4, 2013, 12:17 am

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 3, 2013

Hot Predictors (Last 30 Days by Prize Ratio)

	Member	Prize Ratio	Wagers	Winnings
1.	CajunWin4	63.70%	$2,000	$1,274
2.	AriesDaRam	58.88%	$450	$265
3.	BigDMike	52.51%	$1,272	$668
4.	PecosBill	48.94%	$1,896	$928
5.	colatrips	48.34%	$1,148	$555
6.	A12breal	46.83%	$506	$237
7.	cbr$	44.35%	$9,264	$4,109
8.	Lee	43.25%	$1,660	$718
9.	BigTymer	42.70%	$1,096	$468
10.	Stack47	40.14%	$3,776	$1,516

Highest Lifetime Prize Ratio

	Member	Prize Ratio	Wagers	Winnings
1.	StormChaser666	73.42%	$1,400	$1,028
2.	PecosBill	65.73%	$6,493	$4,268
3.	BigDMike	58.60%	$1,638	$960
4.	Litebets27	57.87%	$2,450	$1,418
5.	JonnyBgood07	51.58%	$78,528	$40,512
6.	SergeM	49.96%	$6,612	$3,304
7.	MmeFlorida	49.26%	$11,100	$5,468
8.	colatrips	48.34%	$1,148	$555
9.	butch2030	47.07%	$12,300	$5,790
10.	MADDOG10	47.06%	$118,319	$55,683

Basically the Texas Lottery Commission is saying "we're not making a large enough profit so we're changing the game".

Why didn't they run a Monte Carlo simulation?

Better yet, they should have run a 30 year backtest using 5000 people with one QP each day.

Oh wait! Maybe they DID!

That would explain a lot.

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Jun 4, 2013, 12:25 am

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jun 3, 2013
It looks like they want to limit how much a player or players can wager on certain numbers. Just like certain numbers in P3 and P4 can be sold out and sales stopped for that particular number. Think 911 on September 11th. For example, I like to play all even when I played this game. Now there might be someone who plays 5 or more tickets that are all even for one draw. A win like that would put a major dent in the lottery commission's wallet.

They have boxes for all even/odd and high/low on their play slips so they created the possibility of several jackpot winners. And because of the game structure, some players will play the opposite numbers and could double a jackpot win.

They advertise a $250,000 jackpot, the play slips suggests playing even/odd or high/low, but now they're saying they can't pay all the winners the advertised jackpot.
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Jun 4, 2013, 12:26 am

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 4, 2013
Why didn't they run a Monte Carlo simulation?

Better yet, they should have run a 30 year backtest using 5000 people with one QP each day.

Oh wait! Maybe they DID!

That would explain a lot.

LMAO!
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Jun 4, 2013, 2:22 am

I think the All or Nothing drawing on 5/23/2013 raised quite a few eyebrows from the TLC. Somebody in Moulton, Texas hit it both ways without a Quick Pick. That person hit both 12 of 12 and 0 of 12 in the same drawing. Talk about hitting the TLC where it hurts ....ouch! After that drawing I knew something might happen very quickly to gut that game.
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Quote: Originally posted by escapades00 on Jun 4, 2013
I think the All or Nothing drawing on 5/23/2013 raised quite a few eyebrows from the TLC. Somebody in Moulton, Texas hit it both ways without a Quick Pick. That person hit both 12 of 12 and 0 of 12 in the same drawing. Talk about hitting the TLC where it hurts ....ouch! After that drawing I knew something might happen very quickly to gut that game.

Someone has a formula to beat it.

We shall see!
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Jun 4, 2013, 8:13 am

Quote: Originally posted by escapades00 on Jun 4, 2013
I think the All or Nothing drawing on 5/23/2013 raised quite a few eyebrows from the TLC. Somebody in Moulton, Texas hit it both ways without a Quick Pick. That person hit both 12 of 12 and 0 of 12 in the same drawing. Talk about hitting the TLC where it hurts ....ouch! After that drawing I knew something might happen very quickly to gut that game.

I had noticed that too. Intially, they had listed 3 winners for that draw, then changed it to 2 winners.

I had thought about doing the same thing. Play all even on one tic, and all odd on another.

I'm kinda getting fed up with Texas Lottery Commission. I can't believe how they are just ruining Lotto and Cash 5.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)
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Jun 4, 2013, 9:30 am

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jun 4, 2013
I had noticed that too. Intially, they had listed 3 winners for that draw, then changed it to 2 winners.

I had thought about doing the same thing. Play all even on one tic, and all odd on another.

I'm kinda getting fed up with Texas Lottery Commission. I can't believe how they are just ruining Lotto and Cash 5.

When/if they do resume selling tickets for this game, they have to make some major rule changes. Such a simple idea you would think TLC had already figured it out.

If I play all even and all odd, and all even wins 12 of 12, then all odd wins too (0 of 12). Any set I play, all I have to do is play the leftovers and if my set wins the leftover set wins as well.

NOBODY at lottery headquarters thought of this?

Guess that winner in Moultons taught them a thing or two about common sense.

Lucky they didn't discover this fatal flaw months ago.

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Jun 4, 2013, 9:33 am

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Jun 4, 2013
I had noticed that too. Intially, they had listed 3 winners for that draw, then changed it to 2 winners.

I had thought about doing the same thing. Play all even on one tic, and all odd on another.

I'm kinda getting fed up with Texas Lottery Commission. I can't believe how they are just ruining Lotto and Cash 5.

TLC seems to be in a mood to shake things up - I read a report on another site that Texas Pick 3 and Daily 4 will be increased to FOUR draws a day later this year, similar to the All Or Nothing schedule. Wonder how that would go over with players' strategies and weekly budgets.

L I F E: discovering order in chaos ...
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Jun 4, 2013, 11:35 am

Quote: Originally posted by Str8master on Jun 4, 2013
TLC seems to be in a mood to shake things up - I read a report on another site that Texas Pick 3 and Daily 4 will be increased to FOUR draws a day later this year, similar to the All Or Nothing schedule. Wonder how that would go over with players' strategies and weekly budgets.

I read about that in the commission's meeting minutes. The thing I would hate about it is that we won't be able to pick which draw to play. Now with P3 and P4 you can fill out your playslip to play day or night for multiple draws. When this change kicks in, you will lose this option. I believe the playslips will be set up like the All or Nothing playslips are now.

I hope I'm wrong on that. I hate having to run to the store every day if I just want to play one or two draws, or just day or night.

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Jun 4, 2013, 11:45 am

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 4, 2013
When/if they do resume selling tickets for this game, they have to make some major rule changes. Such a simple idea you would think TLC had already figured it out.

If I play all even and all odd, and all even wins 12 of 12, then all odd wins too (0 of 12). Any set I play, all I have to do is play the leftovers and if my set wins the leftover set wins as well.

NOBODY at lottery headquarters thought of this?

Guess that winner in Moultons taught them a thing or two about common sense.

Lucky they didn't discover this fatal flaw months ago.

"Any set I play, all I have to do is play the leftovers and if my set wins the leftover set wins as well. NOBODY at lottery headquarters thought of this?"

I'm guessing they noticed "all even and all odd" and "high/low" are getting lots of play and they're thinking about their image (and their bottom line) if those combinations are drawn. If a large number of players are playing the leftover set too it could effect their bottom line in the future.

"Lucky they didn't discover this fatal flaw months ago."

And they're very lucky even/odd or high/low wasn't drawn. I'll bet the director asked whose idea it was to put those options on the play slips.

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