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# How to use Lotto-logix?

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Thanks LotoBoner

Gonna try and see if I can pull one together for myself

Really appreciate the explanation

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I am not sure if this serves the same purpose or not but couldn't you just use what is available online already?

New York Lottery Numbers Digits Frequency and Last Appearance

 The New York Lottery Numbers Digits Analysis involves two parts. The first part is to list how many draws have elapsed since a Numbers digit's last appearance. The second part is the frequecy of each Numbers digit; that is, how many times a digit has been drawn within a certain specified number of draws. The Analysis was performed on Friday, June 14, 2013 On this page...

When was a New York Lottery Numbers digit drawn last?

How many draws is it since a New York Lottery Numbers digit was last drawn? The following table lists the number of draws elapsed since a given digit was last drawn.
Each Numbers digit is expected to show up every 2 to 3 draws. In order to help you identify what are usually called cold New York Lottery Numbers digits, late digits are shown in yellow and very late in red.

 Digit 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Last seen 7 3 2 4 0 1 5 4 0 4

NEW: Based on the suggestions of visitors to our web site, we recently added the following table to list a digit's last draw by position. A digit is expected to show up at a position every 10 draws. Late digit for a position is shown in yellow, and very late in red. Note that the values of the last column (@ any position) are the same as the above table.

Last seen by position

 Digit @ First  position @ Second  position @ Third  position @ Any  position 0 7 17 15 7 1 3 3 3 3 2 34 15 2 2 3 23 4 11 4 4 2 0 21 0 5 1 1 1 1 6 8 8 5 5 7 4 41 10 4 8 0 10 0 0 9 14 18 4 4

New York Lottery Numbers Digit Frequencies

The following table lists how many times a New York Lottery Numbers digit was drawn in the last 30, 100, 1000, and all 16099 draws.

The digits may be arranged either by their natural order or by their total frequencies by clicking on the toggle button at the bottom of the table. Listing by natural order makes it easy to find a digit, while listing by frequency helps to easily identifythe least and most frequently drawn New York Lottery Numbers digits. The bars in the last column represent the total number of times that the digit is drawn. They are not to scale, and are intended only for visual comparison purposes.

 Last 30 Draws Last 100 Draws Last 1000 Draws ALL 16099 Draws
 DIGIT @ First  position @ Middle  position @ End  position TOTAL Relative Total (visual) 0 2 3 1 6 z 1 5 6 3 14 z 2 0 3 3 6 z 3 1 4 6 11 z 4 5 4 4 13 z 5 2 4 1 7 z 6 3 2 3 8 z 7 3 0 5 8 z 8 5 2 2 9 z 9 4 2 2 8 z
Expected Frequencies of each digit are:
3 for each position and 9 for the total

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Specify Your Own Range for Digit Frequencies of New York Lottery Numbers

Here, you can specify either the last number of draws, a year, a month, or a time interval to analyze the digits frequencies of the New York lottery Numbers game. The four options(tabs) on the left above can be replaced by other four options of your choice. Three methods are available:
1. specify the last number of draws,
2. specify a single month or a single year, or
3. specify a date range.
For each case, you can specify one or more options.
Select which method to use by clicking on one of the buttons below.

By Last Number of Draws   By Year or Month   By Date Range
Click on one of the buttons above to make your selection of ranges.

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Hey LP,

However, with the graph paper, if there's a midday and evening draw, how would you fit that into the graph paper? Also, how do you figure out the skips and patterns??

I'm really interested in this positional tracking - looks very promising. I'm just a bit weary because I don't know how to setup the graph for midday and evening, and I don't know how to see the trends of skips and patterns.

Anyone who has experience with Lotto-Logix, please shed some light. Give me some tips and help me learn how to setup the graph. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Hey New York,

Here's a method that was here on LP a couple years ago by a member from N.Y., but you can use it anywhere. It tracks the

top 4 #'s in each position.   http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/227727/1956488

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@ranman, yes thats a good site.  The more the merrier I suppose.

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800+ posts a newbie?

Qualifiers: It's opinion, subjective, every game is different, there are no hard and fast rules, etc.

Why positional tracking?  So you can use Positional Wheeling because Positional Wheeling is for Straight play at lower cost to play.  A Pick-3 box wheel for four all different digits is four numbers while the Positional Wheel Straight is only two.

Tracking: Determine what works most often in your game.  Does the game track day to day, night to night or day to night to day to night and so on?

Why hand charting: The idea is for the work to enter the brain.  Computer charts only work after hand work determines how to program the software to automate the grunt work.  If you can't teach yourself how to win you can't program a computer to do it.  Not to say what you need can't be found in a printout, you have to be able to find it, to see what's coming next.

Some can sort of soak right into the Pick-3/4 games, others must work hard and some will never quite get it.  For this to work, what you need should jump off the page at you.  Not every day of course, don't play every day, play when it seems right.

The chart is simply what helps you see what you need.  A grid for each position's ten number may be just what you need, or you may be able to pick it out of a combined chart, though I doubt it.  The nice thing is each chart can contribute several numbers to the positional wheel so even 3x3x3=27 plays for Straight allows many attempts for a Straight win to payoff, payback and show a profit.

There isn't a matter of doing it wrong, the lottey makes fools of us all.  One works with what they have, what happens more often then not previously and hoping it will do so again.

It's a game, you have to be able to enjoy it.  BobP

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800+ posts a newbie?

Qualifiers: It's opinion, subjective, every game is different, there are no hard and fast rules, etc.

Why positional tracking?  So you can use Positional Wheeling because Positional Wheeling is for Straight play at lower cost to play.  A Pick-3 box wheel for four all different digits is four numbers while the Positional Wheel Straight is only two.

Tracking: Determine what works most often in your game.  Does the game track day to day, night to night or day to night to day to night and so on?

Why hand charting: The idea is for the work to enter the brain.  Computer charts only work after hand work determines how to program the software to automate the grunt work.  If you can't teach yourself how to win you can't program a computer to do it.  Not to say what you need can't be found in a printout, you have to be able to find it, to see what's coming next.

Some can sort of soak right into the Pick-3/4 games, others must work hard and some will never quite get it.  For this to work, what you need should jump off the page at you.  Not every day of course, don't play every day, play when it seems right.

The chart is simply what helps you see what you need.  A grid for each position's ten number may be just what you need, or you may be able to pick it out of a combined chart, though I doubt it.  The nice thing is each chart can contribute several numbers to the positional wheel so even 3x3x3=27 plays for Straight allows many attempts for a Straight win to payoff, payback and show a profit.

There isn't a matter of doing it wrong, the lottey makes fools of us all.  One works with what they have, what happens more often then not previously and hoping it will do so again.

It's a game, you have to be able to enjoy it.  BobP

".....the lottery makes fools of us all."

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Upgrade your membership here to Platinum and you can do all the positional tracking you want with the Search Drawings feature :)

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The way Joey uses the TFR is similar to the way I use it but I dont know exactly how he finesses it.

This is his post from his thread.

TFR stands for Traditional Frequency Rating .

All this means is that this chart looks at a longer period of time to see what the traditional frequency is for each number (0-9) . This chart is based on a 10 week time period for each column . It tells you what numbers have been hot (which are at the top of the chart) and what numbers have been cold (at the bottom of the chart ) for the last 10 weeks . If you know a HOT digit on the TFR chart is currently cold . Then that is the digit you would want to start playing

I use the top two numbers and the bottom two numbers to create combos, and then I watch my matrix walk and try to wait for a fit.

For example on the recent tfr the two top numbers were 4 7 and the bottom two numbers were 5 9 so i generally mix those numbers and consider trips with those numbers.  And as chance had it the 555 came. Joey is more experienced with the chart than I am.  I tried to experiment with patterns in the chart, but I spend more of my time on pick 5 and pick 6 and lately i just wait untill jonny has a good recommendation, but I am trying to keep my charts updated just in case there is something for easy pickins.

I only have one eye on the game but for three weeks straight last year, the tfr was producing good results, and then it went cold for two weeks, and I just stopped posting for pick 3.

I will post a new tfr on sunday, and the 5 should move up a little again.  It has been really cold now for a LONG time.

It all makes sense to me now... I'm finally getting the big picture. Thanks LB! Looking forward to your TFR charts and making some combos.

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800+ posts a newbie?

Qualifiers: It's opinion, subjective, every game is different, there are no hard and fast rules, etc.

Why positional tracking?  So you can use Positional Wheeling because Positional Wheeling is for Straight play at lower cost to play.  A Pick-3 box wheel for four all different digits is four numbers while the Positional Wheel Straight is only two.

Tracking: Determine what works most often in your game.  Does the game track day to day, night to night or day to night to day to night and so on?

Why hand charting: The idea is for the work to enter the brain.  Computer charts only work after hand work determines how to program the software to automate the grunt work.  If you can't teach yourself how to win you can't program a computer to do it.  Not to say what you need can't be found in a printout, you have to be able to find it, to see what's coming next.

Some can sort of soak right into the Pick-3/4 games, others must work hard and some will never quite get it.  For this to work, what you need should jump off the page at you.  Not every day of course, don't play every day, play when it seems right.

The chart is simply what helps you see what you need.  A grid for each position's ten number may be just what you need, or you may be able to pick it out of a combined chart, though I doubt it.  The nice thing is each chart can contribute several numbers to the positional wheel so even 3x3x3=27 plays for Straight allows many attempts for a Straight win to payoff, payback and show a profit.

There isn't a matter of doing it wrong, the lottey makes fools of us all.  One works with what they have, what happens more often then not previously and hoping it will do so again.

It's a game, you have to be able to enjoy it.  BobP

800+ posts a newbie?

Newbie to positional tracking and positional whelling, lol.

Qualifiers: It's opinion, subjective, every game is different, there are no hard and fast rules, etc.

This is good to know, especially when playing the lottery.

Why positional tracking?  So you can use Positional Wheeling because Positional Wheeling is for Straight play at lower cost to play.  A Pick-3 box wheel for four all different digits is four numbers while the Positional Wheel Straight is only two.

Pretty much. I like the luxury in only playing straight plays and having better odds to potentially win good money. This method gives me this option. The odds look good to me.

Tracking: Determine what works most often in your game.  Does the game track day to day, night to night or day to night to day to night and so on?

Day to night, to day to night. We have midday and evening draws. I just wanna know how I graph both draws on the graph paper using positional tracking. Hopefully you can teach me.

Why hand charting: The idea is for the work to enter the brain.  Computer charts only work after hand work determines how to program the software to automate the grunt work.  If you can't teach yourself how to win you can't program a computer to do it.  Not to say what you need can't be found in a printout, you have to be able to find it, to see what's coming next.

I need to focus and get that "gut feeling".

Some can sort of soak right into the Pick-3/4 games, others must work hard and some will never quite get it.  For this to work, what you need should jump off the page at you.  Not every day of course, don't play every day, play when it seems right.

I agree with this. I need to have that inner voice telling me and guding me. I need strong intuition using this method.

The chart is simply what helps you see what you need.  A grid for each position's ten number may be just what you need, or you may be able to pick it out of a combined chart, though I doubt it.  The nice thing is each chart can contribute several numbers to the positional wheel so even 3x3x3=27 plays for Straight allows many attempts for a Straight win to payoff, payback and show a profit.

That's the fun part! :D

There isn't a matter of doing it wrong, the lottey makes fools of us all.  One works with what they have, what happens more often then not previously and hoping it will do so again.

Truth!

It's a game, you have to be able to enjoy it.  BobP

That's my new approach. Thanks for your wisdom and mentorship BobP!

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Hey New York,

Here's a method that was here on LP a couple years ago by a member from N.Y., but you can use it anywhere. It tracks the

top 4 #'s in each position.   http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/227727/1956488

Wow, that's a very informative link! Thanks grwurston! I'm gonna check it out when I get the chance. Thanks again!

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Upgrade your membership here to Platinum and you can do all the positional tracking you want with the Search Drawings feature :)

You're gonna have to teach me how LL, lol. Can you give me the  link to the Search Drawings feature? Thanks! :)

Time to invest in membership again!

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@ranman,

That's a handy tool. I need to utilize  more often.

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You're gonna have to teach me how LL, lol. Can you give me the  link to the Search Drawings feature? Thanks! :)

Time to invest in membership again!

There is no "link". Just go to results in the blue bar and click on search past results.

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The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

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The way Joey uses the TFR is similar to the way I use it but I dont know exactly how he finesses it.

This is his post from his thread.

TFR stands for Traditional Frequency Rating .

All this means is that this chart looks at a longer period of time to see what the traditional frequency is for each number (0-9) . This chart is based on a 10 week time period for each column . It tells you what numbers have been hot (which are at the top of the chart) and what numbers have been cold (at the bottom of the chart ) for the last 10 weeks . If you know a HOT digit on the TFR chart is currently cold . Then that is the digit you would want to start playing

I use the top two numbers and the bottom two numbers to create combos, and then I watch my matrix walk and try to wait for a fit.

For example on the recent tfr the two top numbers were 4 7 and the bottom two numbers were 5 9 so i generally mix those numbers and consider trips with those numbers.  And as chance had it the 555 came. Joey is more experienced with the chart than I am.  I tried to experiment with patterns in the chart, but I spend more of my time on pick 5 and pick 6 and lately i just wait untill jonny has a good recommendation, but I am trying to keep my charts updated just in case there is something for easy pickins.

I only have one eye on the game but for three weeks straight last year, the tfr was producing good results, and then it went cold for two weeks, and I just stopped posting for pick 3.

I will post a new tfr on sunday, and the 5 should move up a little again.  It has been really cold now for a LONG time.

"I use the top two numbers and the bottom two numbers to create combos, and then I watch my matrix walk and try to wait for a fit"

I just tried my first workout for Colorado using this system and went with your suggestion...top two and bottom two for each column from the past 30 days, and came up with this:

1   2    3

1   9   3

2   8   4

0   1   8

3   3   9

Tonites P3 hit was 180!! Fabulous, thanks

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Tracking: Determine what works most often in your game.  Does the game track day to day, night to night or day to night to day to night and so on?

Day to night, to day to night. We have midday and evening draws. I just wanna know how I graph both draws on the graph paper using positional tracking. Hopefully you can teach me.

The Florida lottery has 7 draw machines plus spares for Pick-3/4, they rotate ballsets and machines in an attempt to randomize the outcome.  It is possible they do this because the game would be more predictable if they didn't.  Sometimes we see today's Pick-3 number in tomorrow's Pick-4 draw.  Games drawn in computer, that's another story.

When we track a draw outcome with a strong degree of confidence like a ball/digit/number repeating in the next draw we have to ask ourselves if the next draw is the draw where the repeat most often occurs?

So we look at the midday draw, did any of the balls/digits/numbers come from the night before or did they come from the midday before?  Which tends to happen most often, because that's the way we want to play.

Look at the night draw, do balls/digits/numbers repeat most often from the midday draw or the previous night's draw?

This kind of thing is subjective because we only notice it when it grabs our attention, where we'd be better off keeping a record of repeats from the last three drawings into the next (by position) to know for sure what follows what more often.

Wouldn't it be nice if the harder the lottery tries to make the draws random, the less random they become?

BobP

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