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We talk the talk...Can we REALLY walk the walk?

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Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!Cherish Your Friendship!

So how serious are you REALLY about winning a jackpot? I would think the Pick 5 and Pick 6 boards would be burning down the house here at the LP but somehow when you compare the views of this forum compared to the Pick 3 forum we are sorely lacking :)

Lately I've been going back to my Pick 5 "roots". This is where I intially started as Pick 5 has always been my pet game. Don't ask me how I came up with this,lol....forgot already. Been working on it the last couple of days (WHAT? How can you forget a formula in 2 days? When you're working with numbers it's easy :) At least I managed to get it all down on paper but,anyhoo,just curious here to see how this all pans out.

You know me and my searching. Big Grin Let's just give an example here to kinda show what the heck is up here. Feel free to chime in your opinions and suggestions. I do need some help with the "middle" number. This system is kind of like a mystery meat sandwhich. We've got the ends (the bread)...we've got the mayo...we just need something tasty in between.

Okay....I'm going to concentrate on jackpot winners that start with number 1 only. (for now,at least) For example, I searched
ALL STATES past results that started with 1 and 4.  Here are the past 2 months.

Mon, Jul 8, 2013ConnecticutCash 501-04-07-15-31
Fri, Jul 5, 2013New MexicoRoad Runner Cash01-04-06-15-33
Thu, Jul 4, 2013ArkansasNatural State Jackpot01-04-05-20-36
Sun, Jun 30, 2013MissouriShow Me Cash01-04-20-24-39
Sat, Jun 29, 2013IowaCash Game01-04-06-12-24
Fri, Jun 28, 2013IllinoisLucky Day Lotto Evening01-04-08-14-34
Fri, Jun 28, 2013WisconsinBadger 501-04-09-13-17
Thu, Jun 27, 2013VirginiaCash 5 Night01-04-13-15-32
Tue, Jun 25, 2013OklahomaCash 501-04-10-11-23
Mon, Jun 24, 2013MinnesotaNorthstar Cash01-04-15-16-27
Sat, Jun 22, 2013IndianaCash 501-04-13-14-29
Sat, Jun 22, 2013QuébecSprinto01-04-16-31-37
Wed, Jun 19, 2013MissouriShow Me Cash01-04-07-23-25
Wed, Jun 19, 2013OklahomaCash 501-04-24-25-28
Tue, Jun 18, 2013Atlantic CanadaBucko01-04-21-25-36
Mon, Jun 17, 2013ArkansasNatural State Jackpot01-04-05-19-26
Mon, Jun 10, 2013ColoradoCash 501-04-14-21-30
Sun, Jun 9, 2013MichiganFantasy 501-04-23-31-38
Sun, Jun 9, 2013New JerseyJersey Cash 501-04-12-17-20
Sat, Jun 8, 2013New JerseyJersey Cash 501-04-19-20-38

As I was studying these numbers,something clicked. I kept trying to figure out what would come up with 1-4 the next time around it fell in a state. Now,mind you,I have no idea what state 1 and 4 will fall in next but I came up with the last 2 numbers that should fall with them. Again,we need that surprise "meaty middle" to round out our Hero Sandwhich!! 

So how do we know what to play when 1-4 show up next? (Do any of your tickets start with 1-4 right now?)

The key (I think) is in the FOURTH DIGIT. More specifically the LAST DIGIT of the FOURTH DIGIT.  I will type out the rest of the numbers 1 through 9 later on today so you can see for yourself I'm not making this up and you can test it yourself :) Just thought one example would do for now to see if anyone has any interest in this. Below are the combos I came up with for number 0.

 

x0=

10-13   10-14   10-15   10-23   10-24   10-25   13-14   13-15   13-18   13-19   13-20   13-23

13-24   13-25   13-28   13-29   13-30   13-33   13-34   13-35   13-38   13-39   14-15   14-18

14-19   14-20   14-23   14-24   14-25 14-28    14-29    14-30   14-33   14-34   14-35   14-38

14-39   15-18   15-19   15-20   15-23   15-24   15-25   15-28   15-29   15-30   15-33  15-34

15-35   15-38   15-39   18-23   18-24   18-25   19-23   19-24   19-25   20-23   20-24   20-25     

23-24   23-25   23-28   23-29   23-30   23-33   23-34   23-35   23-38   23-39   24-25   24-28 

24-29   24-30   24-33   24-34   24-35   24-38   24-39   25-28  25-29   25-30   25-33   25-34 

25-35  25-38   25-39

 

Starting at the bottom we see New Jersey's 4th digit starts with a 0. 

11 days later we see that OK popped up with 1-4 (the top bread) with 25-28 (the bottom bread).

24 here was the bologna that we needed to hit that old Jackpot. If we knew that in OK 24 was going to be the Oscar Myer we would have hit that jackpot with 87 combos all together.

Another example is AR on July 4th. Again,the 4th digit was 0.

See any matches above in the 0 numbers?  

You got it.

15-33 showed up in New Mexico the next day. Lover

Try going back and test some of these on your own.

Use 1 with another single digit and look for the 4th digits that start with 0. See if any of these gave you a slice of the pie! 

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    Sorry LL, 

    Only "walkin'" I know is "Walkin' to New Orleans" by Fats Domino....

    "I'm own need two pair-uh shoes just to walk off all these blues"   Da Fat Man Babies, da Fat Man!

    About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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      Posted: July 9, 2013, 10:48 pm - IP Logged

      Sorry LL, 

      Only "walkin'" I know is "Walkin' to New Orleans" by Fats Domino....

      "I'm own need two pair-uh shoes just to walk off all these blues"   Da Fat Man Babies, da Fat Man!

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        Hey,cut the Bull. where would us  today with out  people from outside .They did all your  dirty work. P.S. Don't  say that.

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          LL,

          I'm interested in where this leads too. These are tonly Fla draws with 1 & 4.

           

           

           

           

          01/04/131481027
          02/06/0814102028
          01/04/0814193035
          10/18/0414112036
          10/12/041481013
          10/09/0414142025
          08/21/041473032
          01/25/021481030
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            Great song Walkin to New Orleans, huh Cage???

            I liked the video you put out here, but the album cut is waaaaaaaay better. 

            There's only gonna be just ONE Fat Man Bay-BEE!

            About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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              LL,

              I'm interested in where this leads too. These are tonly Fla draws with 1 & 4.

               

               

               

               

              01/04/131481027
              02/06/0814102028
              01/04/0814193035
              10/18/0414112036
              10/12/041481013
              10/09/0414142025
              08/21/041473032
              01/25/021481030

              Hi Carbob!

              Nice to see ya :) Good examples here. I searched the top 2 of your results and we can see how this triggered some winners. Florida actually was the winner in one example but this isn't usually the case. Most times it will trigger it for another state. When searching these you will have to search them ALL STATES to really see what happens. Will get the rest of the numbers posted in just a few so you can check it out yourself :)

               

              x0=

              10-13   10-14   10-15   10-23   10-24   10-25   13-14   13-15   13-18   13-19   13-20   13-23

              13-24   13-25   13-28   13-29   13-30   13-33   13-34   13-35   13-38   13-39   14-15   14-18

              14-19   14-20   14-23   14-24   14-25 14-28    14-29    14-30   14-33   14-34   14-35   14-38

              14-39   15-18   15-19  15-20   15-23   15-24   15-25   15-28   15-29   15-30   15-33  15-34

              15-35   15-38   15-39   18-23   18-24   18-25   19-23   19-24   19-25   20-23   20-24   20-25     

              23-24   23-25   23-28   23-29  23-30   23-33   23-34   23-35   23-38   23-39   24-25   24-28 

              24-29   24-30   24-33   24-34   24-35   24-38   24-39   25-28  25-29  25-30   25-33   25-34 

              25-35  25-38   25-39

               

               

               

              Mon, Jan 7, 2013Atlantic CanadaShaBam01-04-21-26-28
              Sun, Jan 6, 2013CaliforniaFantasy 501-04-18-27-35
              Sat, Jan 5, 2013FloridaFantasy 501-04-13-15-19
              Fri, Jan 4, 2013FloridaFantasy 501-04-08-10-27

               

              Here Florida triggered wins in MN and PA.

              Sat, Feb 16, 2008PennsylvaniaTreasure Hunt01-04-07-23-29
              Wed, Feb 13, 2008MinnesotaNorthstar Cash01-04-20-25-29
              Mon, Feb 11, 2008WisconsinBadger 501-04-13-17-30
              Fri, Feb 8, 2008IowaCash Game01-04-11-16-23
              Thu, Feb 7, 2008FloridaFantasy 501-04-10-20-28
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                AZ Fantasy 5 is one of my fave's to play.  Does it matter if the matrix's are different between states?  I noticed 5/39 quite a bit, where as AZ is 5/41.

                "JACKPOT BABY!" ...those elusive words still elude me! LOL

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                  AZ Fantasy 5 is one of my fave's to play.  Does it matter if the matrix's are different between states?  I noticed 5/39 quite a bit, where as AZ is 5/41.

                  Good question. There are a couple of other pick 5 games that also have more than 39 numbers but you will notice that there are plenty of times when the 40's don't show. These are the times when we'll have to wait for to hone in on this. AZ added those 2 extra numbers some time ago...I remember I was mad because this was during a time when I was right in the middle of writing a book about jackpot games with specific examples but it had to be scrapped because now more than ever the games are changing. Dead

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                    lottolaughs

                    I think maybe the bread is stale.
                    Maybe it's time for serious lottery players to admit that the old methods in use for 50+ years aren't good enough.
                    Time to start thinking 'outside the box' some folks would say.
                    I have some ideas using the power of substitution, but I stand alone.
                    I've been working on a specific workout for last couple of years.
                    I think I've finally got a final product.
                    Time will tell!!

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                      Hey LL,

                      Nice find as usual!  Maybe a good play once the "triggers" were in place from "all states" would be to just have a wheel with 1-4-x0 (with x0 being 10,20,30) as key/banker/power numbers and for the fourth and fifth numbers play from 21-29 range & 31-39 for a number of days until the next trigger appears.  The 1-4-30 sets are rare so to cut down on costs not many of those lines need to be played.  Just a thought ... I've put more years into the Take-5 game than I'd like to say ...

                      Good Luck!

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                        Here is the complete list of numbers. Please refer to the first post again on how to use :) I will be posting some predictions later on today.

                         

                        x0=

                        10-13   10-14   10-15   10-23   10-24   10-25   13-14   13-15   13-18   13-19   13-20   13-23

                        13-24   13-25   13-28   13-29   13-30   13-33   13-34   13-35   13-38   13-39   14-15   14-18

                        14-19   14-20   14-23   14-24   14-25   14-28   14-29   14-30   14-33   14-34   14-35   14-38

                        14-39   15-18   15-19   15-20   15-23   15-24   15-25   15-28   15-29   15-30   15-33   15-34

                        15-35   15-38   15-39   18-23   18-24   18-25   19-23   19-24   19-25   20-23   20-24   20-25     

                        23-24   23-25   23-28   23-29   23-30   23-33   23-34   23-35   23-38   23-39   24-25   24-28 

                        24-29   24-30   24-33   24-34   24-35   24-38   24-39   25-28   25-29   25-30   25-33   25-34 

                        25-35   25-38   25-39

                         

                        x1=

                        10-14   10-15   10-16   10-24   10-25   10-26   11-14   11-15   11-16   11-24   11-25   11-26

                        14-15   14-16   14-19   14-20   14-21   14-24   14-25   14-26   14-29   14-30   14-31   14-34 

                        14-35   14-36   14-39   15-16   15-19   15-20   15-21   15-24   15-25   15-26   15-29   15-30

                        15-31   15-34   15-35   15-36   15-39   16-19   16-20   16-21   16-24   16-25   16-26   16-29

                        16-30   16-31   16-34   16-35   16-36   16-39   19-24   19-25   19-26   20-24   20-25   20-26

                        21-24   21-25   21-26   24-25   24-26  24-29   24-30   24-31   24-34   24-35   24-36   24-39

                        25-26   25-29   25-30   25-31   25-34   25-35   25-36   25-39   26-29   26-30   26-31   26-34 

                        26-35   26-36   26-39

                         

                        x2 =

                        10-15   10-16   10-17   10-25   10-26   10-27   11-15   11-16   11-17   11-25   11-26   11-27

                        12-15   12-16   12-17   12-25   12-26   12-27   15-16   15-17   15-20   15-21   15-22   15-25

                        15-26   15-27   15-30   15-31   15-32   15-35   15-36   15-37   16-17   16-20   16-21   16-22

                        16-25   16-26   16-27   16-30   16-31   16-32   16-35   16-36   16-37   17-20   17-21   17-22

                        17-25   17-26   17-27   17-30   17-31   17-32   17-35   17-36   17-37   20-25   20-26   20-27

                        21-25   21-26   21-27   22-25   22-26   22-27   25-26   25-27   25-30   25-31   25-32   25-35

                        25-36   25-37   26-27   26-30   26-31   26-32   26-35   26-36   26-37   27-30   27-31   27-32

                        27-35   27-36   27-37

                         

                        x3 =

                        11-16   11-17   11-18   11-26   11-27   11-28   12-16   12-17   12-18   12-26   12-27   12-28 

                        13-16   13-17   13-18   13-26   13-27   13-28   16-17   16-18   16-21   16-22   16-23   16-26 

                        16-27   16-28   16-31   16-32   16-33   16-36   16-37   16-38   17-18   17-21   17-22   17-23

                        17-26   17-27   17-28   17-31   17-32   17-33   17-36   17-37   17-38   18-21   18-22   18-23

                        18-26   18-27   18-28   18-31   18-32   18-33   18-36   18-37   18-38   21-26   21-27   21-28

                        22-26   22-27   22-28   23-26   23-27   23-28   26-27   26-28   26-31   26-32   26-33   26-36

                        26-37   26-38   27-28   27-31   27-32   27-33   27-36   27-37   27-38   28-31   28-32   28-33 

                        28-36   28-37   28-38 

                         

                        x4 =

                        12-17   12-18   12-19   12-27   12-28   12-29   13-17   13-18   13-19   13-27   13-28   13-29

                        14-17   14-18   14-19   14-27   14-28   14-29   17-18    17-19   17-22  17-23   17-24   17-27

                        17-28   17-29   17-32   17-33   17-34   17-37   17-38    17-39   18-19   18-22  18-23   18-24

                        18-27   18-28   18-29   18-32   18-33   18-34   18-37    18-38   18-39   19-22  19-23   19-24

                        19-27   19-28   19-29   19-32   19-33   19-34   19-37    19-38   19-39   22-27   22-28   22-29

                        23-27   23-28   23-29   24-27   24-28   24-29    27-28   27-29    27-32   27-33  27-34   27-37

                        27-38   27-39   28-29   28-32   28-33   28-34    28-37   28-38   28-39    29-32   29-33   29-34

                        29-37   29-38   29-39

                         

                        x5=

                        10-13   10-14   10-15   10-18   10-19   10-20   10-23   10-24   10-25   10-28   10-29   10-30

                        10-33   10-34   10-35   10-38   10-39   13-18   13-19   13-20   13-28   13-29   14-18   14-19

                        14-20   14-28   14-29   15-18   15-19   15-20   15-28   15-29   18-19   18-20   18-23   18-24

                        18-25   18-28   18-29   18-30   18-33   18-34   18-35   18-38   18-39   19-20   19-23   19-24   

                        19-25   19-28   19-29  19-30   19-33   19-34    19-35   19-38   19-39   20-23   20-24   20-25

                        20-28   20-29   20-30   20-33   20-34   20-35   20-38   20-39   23-28   23-29   24-28   24-29

                        25-28   25-29   28-29   28-30   28-33   28-34   28-35   28-38   28-39   29-30   29-33   29-34

                        29-35   29-38   29-39

                         

                        x6 =

                        10-11   10-14   10-15   10-16   10-19   10-20   10-21   10-24   10-25   10-26   10-29   10-30

                        10-31   10-34   10-35   10-36   10-39   11-14   11-15   11-16   11-19   11-20   11-21   11-24

                        11-25   11-26   11-29   11-30   11-31   11-34   11-35   11-36   11-39   14-19   14-20   14-21

                        14-29   15-19   15-20   15-21   15-29   16-19   16-20   16-21   16-29   19-20   19-21   19-24

                        19-25   19-26   19-29   19-30   19-31   19-34   19-35   19-36   19-39   20-21   20-24   20-25

                        20-26   20-29   20-30   20-31   20-34   20-35   20-36   20-39   21-24   21-25   21-26   21-29

                        21-30   21-31   21-34   21-35   21-36   21-39   24-29   25-29   26-29   29-30   29-31   29-34

                        29-35   29-36   29-39

                         

                        x7 =

                        10-11   10-12  10-15   10-16   10-17   10-20   10-21   10-22  10-25   10-26   10-27  10-30

                        10-31   10-32  10-35   10-36   10-37   11-12   11-15   11-16   11-17   11-20   11-21  11-22

                        11-25   11-26  11-27   11-30   11-31   11-32   11-35   11-36   11-37   12-15   12-16  12-17

                        12-20   12-21  12-22   12-25   12-26   12-27   12-30   12-31   12-32   12-35   12-36  12-37

                        15-20   15-21  15-22   16-20   16-21   16-22   17-20   17-21   17-22   20-21    20-22  20-25

                        20-26   20-27  20-30   20-31   20-32   20-35   20-36   20-37   21-22   21-25    21-26   21-27

                        21-30   21-31  21-32   21-35   21-36   21-37   22-25   22-26   22-27   22-30     22-31   22-32

                        22-35   22-36  22-37 

                         

                        x8 =

                        11-12   11-13   11-16   11-17   11-18  11-21   11-22  11-23  11-26  11-27   11-28   11-31

                        11-32  11-33   11-36   11-37   11-38   12-13   12-16  12-17   12-18   12-21   12-22   12-23

                        12-26  12-27   12-28  12-31   12-32    12-33   12-36   12-37   12-38   13-16   13-17  13-18

                        13-21  13-22   13-23   13-26  13-27   13-28    13-31   13-32   13-33   13-36   13-37  13-38

                        16-21  16-22   16-23   17-21   17-22   17-23   18-21   18-22   18-23   21-22   21-23   21-26

                        21-27   21-28   21-31   21-32   21-33   21-36   21-37   21-38   22-23   22-26   22-27   22-28

                        22-31   22-32   22-33   22-36   22-37   22-38   23-26   23-27   23-28    23-31   23-32   23-33

                        23-36   23-37   23-38

                         

                        x9 =

                        12-13   12-14   12-17  12-18  12-19   12-22   12-23   12-24   12-27   12-28   12-29   12-32

                        12-33   12-34   12-37  12-38  12-39   13-14   13-17   13-18   13-19   13-22   13-23   13-24

                        13-27   13-28   13-29  13-32  13-33   13-34   13-37   13-38   13-39   14-17   14-18   14-19

                        14-22   14-23   14-24  14-27   14-28   14-29  14-32   14-33   14-34   14-37   14-38   14-39

                        17-22   17-23   17-24  18-22  18-23   18-24   19-22   19-23   19-24   22-23   22-24   22-27

                        22-28   22-29   22-32   22-33  22-34   22-37   22-38   22-39   23-24   23-27   23-28   23-29

                        23-32   23-33   23-34  23-37   23-38   23-39   24-27   24-28   24-29   24-32   24-33   24-34

                        24-37   24-38   24-39

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                          Posted: July 10, 2013, 1:09 pm - IP Logged

                          Hey LL,

                          Nice find as usual!  Maybe a good play once the "triggers" were in place from "all states" would be to just have a wheel with 1-4-x0 (with x0 being 10,20,30) as key/banker/power numbers and for the fourth and fifth numbers play from 21-29 range & 31-39 for a number of days until the next trigger appears.  The 1-4-30 sets are rare so to cut down on costs not many of those lines need to be played.  Just a thought ... I've put more years into the Take-5 game than I'd like to say ...

                          Good Luck!

                          Hi Fiesty!

                          Great to see ya :) I know what you mean about the "years put in", LOL.

                          I wasn't quite sure I understand your post about the wheel. This system gives you 4 out of 5 when the trigger hits. This can be used for all of the numbers not just 1-4. I think as I go along here with more predictions and examples it will explain it better.

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                            Posted: July 10, 2013, 1:19 pm - IP Logged

                            Hi Fiesty!

                            Great to see ya :) I know what you mean about the "years put in", LOL.

                            I wasn't quite sure I understand your post about the wheel. This system gives you 4 out of 5 when the trigger hits. This can be used for all of the numbers not just 1-4. I think as I go along here with more predictions and examples it will explain it better.

                            Okay, I got what you were saying, I was just looking for a way to cover as much ground as possible while drastically reducing the number of lines that need to be played.  With 3 key numbers in every line it will help cut cost of play. 

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                              Posted: July 10, 2013, 1:29 pm - IP Logged

                              lottolaughs

                              I think maybe the bread is stale.
                              Maybe it's time for serious lottery players to admit that the old methods in use for 50+ years aren't good enough.
                              Time to start thinking 'outside the box' some folks would say.
                              I have some ideas using the power of substitution, but I stand alone.
                              I've been working on a specific workout for last couple of years.
                              I think I've finally got a final product.
                              Time will tell!!

                              "The bread is stale"...LOL. I Like that! And you're probably right...the old methods are tired. There was a time when this board was hoppin'...back when I first joined up.

                              I don't know how far "out of the box" this is but I see it working,lol. Of course it still needs some tweaks but the beginnings are here. It's been a long time since I tried my hand at this...the more time spent on writing a system the less it works...for me,anyway. This took about 1/2 hour to write.

                              I know you have some complicated looking type methods from what I've seen before and I don't know if my simple mind is up to all that,lol. LOL Think I'm getting to the point where I just want to see numbers to play (like most people) and not so interested in the mechanics anymore. Most people aren't that interested from what I see. Everyone wants to win the jackpot but how many people are really willing to sit down and work on numbers for hours? I am(most times)...YOU are...but most people don't have time to dedicate to that. And that's fine...nothin wrong with that!

                              Are you going to be posting your workout or anything like that? I'm excited to hear you have a final product...isn't that the greatest feeling??? Thumbs Up