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Its 210 box singles. Play for .25 cent that's $52.00  a draw

Get the single. And the right permutation. Bingo.

Reduce odds to 1 in 24  for a straight.

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    Who's been tracking permutations.  I have

    abcd  nope
    Dcba nope

    Hardly ever. Acending or descending

    Now its 1/22 chance for a straight......Banana

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      Its 210 box singles. Play for .25 cent that's $52.00  a draw

      Get the single. And the right permutation. Bingo.

      Reduce odds to 1 in 24  for a straight.

      Who understands dis Magic

      On the pick 4 game, the box singles are 24 ways numbers = 1234

      All 210 boxed singles:

      0123, 0124, 0125, 0126, 0127, 0128, 0129, 0134, 0135, 0136, 0137, 0138, 0139, 0145, 0146, 0147, 0148, 0149, 0156, 0157, 0158, 0159, 0167, 0168, 0169, 0178, 0179, 0189, 0234, 0235, 0236, 0237, 0238, 0239, 0245, 0246, 0247, 0248, 0249, 0256, 0257, 0258, 0259, 0267, 0268, 0269, 0278, 0279, 0289, 0345, 0346, 0347, 0348, 0349, 0356, 0357, 0358, 0359, 0367, 0368, 0369, 0378, 0379, 0389, 0456, 0457, 0458, 0459, 0467, 0468, 0469, 0478, 0479, 0489, 0567, 0568, 0569, 0578, 0579, 0589, 0678, 0679, 0689, 0789, 1234, 1235, 1236, 1237, 1238, 1239, 1245, 1246, 1247, 1248, 1249, 1256, 1257, 1258, 1259, 1267, 1268, 1269, 1278, 1279, 1289, 1345, 1346, 1347, 1348, 1349, 1356, 1357, 1358, 1359, 1367, 1368, 1369, 1378, 1379, 1389, 1456, 1457, 1458, 1459, 1467, 1468, 1469, 1478, 1479, 1489, 1567, 1568, 1569, 1578, 1579, 1589, 1678, 1679, 1689, 1789, 2345, 2346, 2347, 2348, 2349, 2356, 2357, 2358, 2359, 2367, 2368, 2369, 2378, 2379, 2389, 2456, 2457, 2458, 2459, 2467, 2468, 2469, 2478, 2479, 2489, 2567, 2568, 2569, 2578, 2579, 2589, 2678, 2679, 2689, 2789, 3456, 3457, 3458, 3459, 3467, 3468, 3469, 3478, 3479, 3489, 3567, 3568, 3569, 3578, 3579, 3589, 3678, 3679, 3689, 3789, 4567, 4568, 4569, 4578, 4579, 4589, 4678, 4679, 4689, 4789, 5678, 5679, 5689, 5789, 6789

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      In the pick 3 we can say Low Middle and High or 123, but on the pick 4 there are 4 digits so we better say 1 2 3 4 from Lowest to Highest.

      Or ABC for the pick 3 and ABCD for the pick 4 anything works.

      For pick 4 doubles can be anything such as AABC, 1123 or whatever else.

      California (CA) Daily 4

      There might be mistakes here:

      Fri, Nov 08, 2013    6-9-5-8 2413
      Thu, Nov 07, 2013    5-9-4-8 2413
      Wed, Nov 06, 2013    6-3-3-1
      Tue, Nov 05, 2013    5-0-8-9 2134
      Mon, Nov 04, 2013    2-7-1-8 2314
      Sun, Nov 03, 2013    6-4-9-0 3241
      Sat, Nov 02, 2013    6-8-1-7 2413
      Fri, Nov 01, 2013    6-8-6-2
      Thu, Oct 31, 2013    9-3-3-9
      Wed, Oct 30, 2013    0-0-9-0
      Tue, Oct 29, 2013    2-9-9-4
      Mon, Oct 28, 2013    0-1-4-1
      Sun, Oct 27, 2013    5-8-2-5
      Sat, Oct 26, 2013    6-5-7-8 2134
      Fri, Oct 25, 2013    4-4-2-2
      Thu, Oct 24, 2013    0-2-4-7 1234
      Wed, Oct 23, 2013    2-3-6-0 2341
      Tue, Oct 22, 2013    2-3-0-7 2314
      Mon, Oct 21, 2013    9-4-2-4
      Sun, Oct 20, 2013    8-4-1-8
      Sat, Oct 19, 2013    4-8-8-4
      Fri, Oct 18, 2013    8-4-3-4
      Thu, Oct 17, 2013    9-7-1-8 4213
      Wed, Oct 16, 2013    0-2-8-6 1243
      Tue, Oct 15, 2013    9-8-8-7
      Mon, Oct 14, 2013    1-9-6-6
      Sun, Oct 13, 2013    5-4-4-1
      Sat, Oct 12, 2013    0-2-0-3
      Fri, Oct 11, 2013    2-8-8-7
      Thu, Oct 10, 2013    0-1-0-6

      They might be 24 ways, but there are some repeats here more or less, also the boxed singles is not all that comes out as seen here, the 12 ways box are here also.

      360 of them:

      0012, 0013, 0014, 0015, 0016, 0017, 0018, 0019, 0023, 0024, 0025, 0026, 0027, 0028, 0029, 0034, 0035, 0036, 0037, 0038, 0039, 0045, 0046, 0047, 0048, 0049, 0056, 0057, 0058, 0059, 0067, 0068, 0069, 0078, 0079, 0089, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106, 1107, 1108, 1109, 1123, 1124, 1125, 1126, 1127, 1128, 1129, 1134, 1135, 1136, 1137, 1138, 1139, 1145, 1146, 1147, 1148, 1149, 1156, 1157, 1158, 1159, 1167, 1168, 1169, 1178, 1179, 1189, 2201, 2203, 2204, 2205, 2206, 2207, 2208, 2209, 2213, 2214, 2215, 2216, 2217, 2218, 2219, 2234, 2235, 2236, 2237, 2238, 2239, 2245, 2246, 2247, 2248, 2249, 2256, 2257, 2258, 2259, 2267, 2268, 2269, 2278, 2279, 2289, 3301, 3302, 3304, 3305, 3306, 3307, 3308, 3309, 3312, 3314, 3315, 3316, 3317, 3318, 3319, 3324, 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329, 3345, 3346, 3347, 3348, 3349, 3356, 3357, 3358, 3359, 3367, 3368, 3369, 3378, 3379, 3389, 4401, 4402, 4403, 4405, 4406, 4407, 4408, 4409, 4412, 4413, 4415, 4416, 4417, 4418, 4419, 4423, 4425, 4426, 4427, 4428, 4429, 4435, 4436, 4437, 4438, 4439, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4459, 4467, 4468, 4469, 4478, 4479, 4489, 5501, 5502, 5503, 5504, 5506, 5507, 5508, 5509, 5512, 5513, 5514, 5516, 5517, 5518, 5519, 5523, 5524, 5526, 5527, 5528, 5529, 5534, 5536, 5537, 5538, 5539, 5546, 5547, 5548, 5549, 5567, 5568, 5569, 5578, 5579, 5589, 6601, 6602, 6603, 6604, 6605, 6607, 6608, 6609, 6612, 6613, 6614, 6615, 6617, 6618, 6619, 6623, 6624, 6625, 6627, 6628, 6629, 6634, 6635, 6637, 6638, 6639, 6645, 6647, 6648, 6649, 6657, 6658, 6659, 6678, 6679, 6689, 7701, 7702, 7703, 7704, 7705, 7706, 7708, 7709, 7712, 7713, 7714, 7715, 7716, 7718, 7719, 7723, 7724, 7725, 7726, 7728, 7729, 7734, 7735, 7736, 7738, 7739, 7745, 7746, 7748, 7749, 7756, 7758, 7759, 7768, 7769, 7789, 8801, 8802, 8803, 8804, 8805, 8806, 8807, 8809, 8812, 8813, 8814, 8815, 8816, 8817, 8819, 8823, 8824, 8825, 8826, 8827, 8829, 8834, 8835, 8836, 8837, 8839, 8845, 8846, 8847, 8849, 8856, 8857, 8859, 8867, 8869, 8879, 9901, 9902, 9903, 9904, 9905, 9906, 9907, 9908, 9912, 9913, 9914, 9915, 9916, 9917, 9918, 9923, 9924, 9925, 9926, 9927, 9928, 9934, 9935, 9936, 9937, 9938, 9945, 9946, 9947, 9948, 9956, 9957, 9958, 9967, 9968, 9978

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        The permutation is a filter the 24 ways is a filter with 24 patterns, the 12 ways is a filter with 12 patterns.

        But 24 and even 12 ways are too many how to filter out a lot of those ways?

        Filtering out each individual way just might not do, we need some sort or sorts of Mega Filtration(s).

        I probably said way too much already, oh I didn't yet try to develop such a way or ways of Mega Filtration, Super Filtration, Ultra Filtration or what ever a person might want to call it, after all I almost never have taken the time to look at the pick 4 game much.

        If I did try maybe it would be possible, no way to know without first trying, would I try? I don't know.

        Anyhow, what is that to you all? Even if I did, I still could not dare to post the results if they were good.

        But don't let that stop anybody from trying.

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          I just noticed that while paurths (Ricky) put a kind of permutations filter on his pick 3 filtered wheeling tool, I don't see that on the pick 4 part of it.

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          I don't know if Mike's filtered wheeler has a permutations filter on it, I don't remember, I just took a look at the pick 4 version of it, but can't make neither heads nor tails of it, tried reading his online instructions, but they don't seem to have all the info there.

          I am talking about the NCS tool.

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          Not knowing how to use a tool is almost like not having it at all.

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          It would be a waste to try to develop permutation filters if I don't have proper software that will do the filtration, I still don't know for sure if the NCS can or can't do it, Ricky's wheeler seems to do it only for the pick 3 game and not for the pick 4.

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          Well so much for the permutations thing.

          That is the main reason why I have left the pick 4 and the jackpot kind of games alone, I don't have proper software for them.


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            Combination slasher 4. has the filter...

            Its called levels.

            Mega filter. U can safely eliminate 10
            Past permutations and be good.....

            Most of the time

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              Combination slasher 4. has the filter...

              Its called levels.

              Mega filter. U can safely eliminate 10
              Past permutations and be good.....

              Most of the time

              Yes, I seem to remember my asking and or making those filters together with Mike, the problem with the NCS is that for many of its filters Mike wanted to use his own names for them and not my names so that makes things very hard for me, also he made many other things on his very own, we made many things together for the Crunch and the NCS, but many things were made just by him.

              I have put those programs aside and no longer remember much about them.

              I am so more used to use Ricky's software even with their limitations.

              If you can eliminate 10 permutations out of the 24 that is great, you should also try for the pick 4 Doubles as they only have 12 permutations.

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                I have not done it, but if I wanted to, first I would take the 24 permutations and try to sort them into sections, each section would be of a particular kind of permutations that is the permutations in each section would have some characteristic or characteristics in common, for example if you sort the 24 permutations into 4 kinds, you would have 4 kinds of 6 permutations each, 6 X 4 = 24. So each time that you filtered out 1 kind you would be filtering out 6 permutations, but things don't have to be limited just to that or like that, there can be other ideas. Same for other kinds of pick 4 numbers such as the Doubles.

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                  This are the 24 permutations for the pick 4 singles in 2 forms:

                  1234
                  1243
                  1324
                  1342
                  1423
                  1432
                  2143
                  2134
                  2341
                  2314
                  2431
                  2413
                  3124
                  3142
                  3214
                  3241
                  3412
                  3421
                  4132
                  4123
                  4231
                  4213
                  4321
                  4312

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                  ABCD
                  ABDC
                  ACBD
                  ACDB
                  ADBC
                  ADCB
                  BADC
                  BACD
                  BCDA
                  BCAD
                  BDCA
                  BDAC
                  CABD
                  CADB
                  CBAD
                  CBDA
                  CDAB
                  CDBA
                  DACB
                  DABC
                  DBCA
                  DBAC
                  DCBA
                  DCAB

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                    Something is wrong with me today I can't think straight right now. Sorry.


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                      Itsok. Permutations is pick3/4 gold.   I thinkn the groups can be

                      1/2/3/4

                      The 2431 2413 2134 2143 2341 2314

                      Plays very often....

                      omg.  The state lotteries gonna hate me.

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                        Itsok. Permutations is pick3/4 gold.   I thinkn the groups can be

                        1/2/3/4

                        The 2431 2413 2134 2143 2341 2314

                        Plays very often....

                        omg.  The state lotteries gonna hate me.

                        I think that for the 12 ways:

                        1123 1132 1213 1231 1312 1321 2113 2131 2311 3112 3121 3211

                        For the 24 ways:

                        1234 1243 1324 1342 1423 1432 2134 2143 2314 2341 2413 2431 3124 3142 3214 3241 3412 3421 4123 4132 4213 4231 4312 4321

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                        More stuff:

                        1112 1121 1211 2111

                        And

                        1111

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                        1122 1212 1221 2112 2121 2211


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                          Like today in sc

                          4982

                          2431 permutation

                          Too bad sc lottery I'm on vacation
                          If I wasn't I'd took $$ from you today

                          ******* THIS STRATEGY NOT FOR THE LESS EDUCATED **********

                          Ga midday

                          6980

                          2431 permutation

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                            For the 24 perms singles:

                            There are 4 filters that have 4 basic patterns each and 6 ways each of the 4 patterns.

                            Those are the digits filters 4 of them.

                            Next the pairs filters:

                            Since those are kind of too many and can therefore get complicated I will only make 3 of themEach of them has 12 patterns having 2 ways each.

                            That would make a total of maybe 7 possible filters.

                            But these are just ideas based on a more or less quick look at the 24 ways, there is no way yet to know if such would really work or not until they are tried.

                            But at this moment I am not interested in trying them.


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                              Pa played 2931 

                              Crying Thats a 2431 permutation.