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Posted: November 22, 2013, 11:06 am - IP Logged

Many of the systems here are based on the last drawing. OK, makes sense.

But what gets confusing is when someone says somtehing like 'take the last drawing and go up and down 1, 2, 3', that produces a new number, but then they give an example where that number hit a few days later.

If they'd give instructions and then say 'play that for the next five draws' that would be one thing, but often they don't but just dig for results to prove the system.

So when the instructions are kind of vague is is draw by draw, or ?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: November 22, 2013, 11:10 am - IP Logged

    Many of the systems here are based on the last drawing. OK, makes sense.

    But what gets confusing is when someone says somtehing like 'take the last drawing and go up and down 1, 2, 3', that produces a new number, but then they give an example where that number hit a few days later.

    If they'd give instructions and then say 'play that for the next five draws' that would be one thing, but often they don't but just dig for results to prove the system.

    So when the instructions are kind of vague is is draw by draw, or ?

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      Posted: November 22, 2013, 12:52 pm - IP Logged

      Many of the systems here are based on the last drawing. OK, makes sense.

      But what gets confusing is when someone says somtehing like 'take the last drawing and go up and down 1, 2, 3', that produces a new number, but then they give an example where that number hit a few days later.

      If they'd give instructions and then say 'play that for the next five draws' that would be one thing, but often they don't but just dig for results to prove the system.

      So when the instructions are kind of vague is is draw by draw, or ?

      I find that with most systems if it is going to hit it will one, three and 4 draws out (maybe five if the draw being used as a base number is a midday),  This of course is not etched in stone but rarely does a system produce hits next draw everytime.

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        Posted: November 22, 2013, 1:29 pm - IP Logged

        Try roulette.

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          Try roulette.

          SergeM,

          You know those poles they put nrxt to the roullette table to show you the last 20 or so results?

          They increased revenu on the roullette games by over 26%.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: November 22, 2013, 6:23 pm - IP Logged

            Many of the systems here are based on the last drawing. OK, makes sense.

            But what gets confusing is when someone says somtehing like 'take the last drawing and go up and down 1, 2, 3', that produces a new number, but then they give an example where that number hit a few days later.

            If they'd give instructions and then say 'play that for the next five draws' that would be one thing, but often they don't but just dig for results to prove the system.

            So when the instructions are kind of vague is is draw by draw, or ?

            Hi Coin, et al-

            Respectully Coin no debating the display board statsitics but regarding ourcomes Serge has a point perhaps even a interesting phenomona - just observe  Emoji past performances & see how often the last number on roulette will repeat in next 4/5 spins, perhaps better then expexpectaion would you say?

            Fortuna

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              Posted: November 22, 2013, 7:05 pm - IP Logged

              edessaknight,

              Many of the stats on table game results are based on millions of decisions.

              So it might just happend that while somone is spedning a finite period of time noticing results on a game they will see a trend like that, but in the long run things will prove out just like they were intended to.

              A 'Horn bet" on a crap table is a good example (all the naturals, 2, 3, 11, 12 (except 7, then it becomes a whirl or world bet). Every gamblig author out there will tell you it's a horrible bet and you're giving away way too much pc to the house. Funny thing though, those numbers tend to run together in a totally unexplainable way. If a player parlays a horn and catches it on a few rolls it's a nice payoff. In casino parlance the night comes when all the naturals follow each other but you have to realize when it's happening.

              But that's for a brief period of time. In the end there will have been a 2 or a 12 once every 36 rolls, etc....

              Another example........someone reads a book on blackjack and the author says never take insurance. But they gt a little lucky and start building up a bankroll. Now it's the first time in their life they've every made a $100 bet and some sweet young thing has an Ace showing and says, "Insurance?" Some players have actually broke out in a cold sweat over that one. "But I'm a $5 bettor!"

              Granted lottery is a little different, but as often as people have posted here about playing a number and knowing then when they stop it will hit that made me wonder about these selections based on the last draw. for the next draw? For the next x number of draws? Keep 'stacking up' the last draw solutions until you're shelling out a lot of $$$$$$$$$ trying to win $?

              Lep

               

              @ranman17,

              Thanks for your explanation and insight in your post.

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                Posted: November 22, 2013, 9:59 pm - IP Logged

                SergeM,

                You know those poles they put nrxt to the roullette table to show you the last 20 or so results?

                They increased revenu on the roullette games by over 26%.

                I know of 12 or 13 numbers displayed. I don't know by how much it increased the revenu, I never discussed that with anyone in the casino. In a hotel you might not find room number 13.

                Talking system, if you have a weak memory, the display of the last 20 spins should increase the efficiency of your system based on the last spins unless your system is torro-caca. Is there a system that wins anyway?

                In any case you are more likely to win some money at roulette than at pick 3 in your lottery, so try roulette!

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                  Posted: November 22, 2013, 10:11 pm - IP Logged

                  A few years ago I saw computer screens displaying statistical results at roulette in Brussels. What more could you wish for?

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                    Posted: November 22, 2013, 10:41 pm - IP Logged

                    Many of the systems here are based on the last drawing. OK, makes sense.

                    But what gets confusing is when someone says somtehing like 'take the last drawing and go up and down 1, 2, 3', that produces a new number, but then they give an example where that number hit a few days later.

                    If they'd give instructions and then say 'play that for the next five draws' that would be one thing, but often they don't but just dig for results to prove the system.

                    So when the instructions are kind of vague is is draw by draw, or ?

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                      SergeM,

                      You know those poles they put nrxt to the roullette table to show you the last 20 or so results?

                      They increased revenu on the roullette games by over 26%.

                      I suppose you mean revenue for the casino.

                      The most likely reason for this might be that if people see a number thats drawn, they most likely will think it will not be drawn again and thus will not play it.  This of course cannot be farther from the truth.


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                        Posted: November 23, 2013, 12:32 am - IP Logged

                        I find that with most systems if it is going to hit it will one, three and 4 draws out (maybe five if the draw being used as a base number is a midday),  This of course is not etched in stone but rarely does a system produce hits next draw everytime.

                        I dont think it makes any difference whether your base number is midday or evening.

                        The only thing that really matters is consistency on how you look at the numbers.


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                          Posted: November 23, 2013, 12:33 am - IP Logged

                          I know of 12 or 13 numbers displayed. I don't know by how much it increased the revenu, I never discussed that with anyone in the casino. In a hotel you might not find room number 13.

                          Talking system, if you have a weak memory, the display of the last 20 spins should increase the efficiency of your system based on the last spins unless your system is torro-caca. Is there a system that wins anyway?

                          In any case you are more likely to win some money at roulette than at pick 3 in your lottery, so try roulette!

                          In a hotel you might not find floor 13.  What the hell does that have to do with anything lottery related?

                          Torro has one "R" btw

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                            I suppose you mean revenue for the casino.

                            The most likely reason for this might be that if people see a number thats drawn, they most likely will think it will not be drawn again and thus will not play it.  This of course cannot be farther from the truth.

                            LottoBoner,

                            You got it, casino revenue.

                            And with the results posted, you're right, cannot be further from the truth.

                            "Look at that, six reds in a row, the next spin can't possibly be red, I'm loading up on black......"

                            Before everything went digital, years ago the casinos in Vegas actually had mechanical horse races. It was like a large toy game but you could bet on the races, the game took quarters - lots of quarters! You have to love this.....the very first time they had these games in the casinos people actually had pads and pencils and were 'tracking' these mechanical horses.

                            Green laugh

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Posted: November 23, 2013, 5:41 pm - IP Logged

                              edessaknight,

                              Many of the stats on table game results are based on millions of decisions.

                              So it might just happend that while somone is spedning a finite period of time noticing results on a game they will see a trend like that, but in the long run things will prove out just like they were intended to.

                              A 'Horn bet" on a crap table is a good example (all the naturals, 2, 3, 11, 12 (except 7, then it becomes a whirl or world bet). Every gamblig author out there will tell you it's a horrible bet and you're giving away way too much pc to the house. Funny thing though, those numbers tend to run together in a totally unexplainable way. If a player parlays a horn and catches it on a few rolls it's a nice payoff. In casino parlance the night comes when all the naturals follow each other but you have to realize when it's happening.

                              But that's for a brief period of time. In the end there will have been a 2 or a 12 once every 36 rolls, etc....

                              Another example........someone reads a book on blackjack and the author says never take insurance. But they gt a little lucky and start building up a bankroll. Now it's the first time in their life they've every made a $100 bet and some sweet young thing has an Ace showing and says, "Insurance?" Some players have actually broke out in a cold sweat over that one. "But I'm a $5 bettor!"

                              Granted lottery is a little different, but as often as people have posted here about playing a number and knowing then when they stop it will hit that made me wonder about these selections based on the last draw. for the next draw? For the next x number of draws? Keep 'stacking up' the last draw solutions until you're shelling out a lot of $$$$$$$$$ trying to win $?

                              Lep

                               

                              @ranman17,

                              Thanks for your explanation and insight in your post.

                              Coin, et al-

                              "Many of the stats on table game results are based on millions of decisions." ~Coin

                              We are all aware by now, this established fact as sure as insurance company's actuaries projections based on the long run. However, eventhough the casinos deal a mathematically predictable negative average in the long run, the player attempts to win in the percievable short run where observable trends, patterns & cycles do occur & repeat  i.e VISUAL BALLISTICS. As forementioned, the 20 spin display board does extend & aid the data collecting & gathering process for those who are endevouring to be a advantage player in the short run >>>>

                              And if winning was impossible, why would casinos feel the necessity of using countermeasures against non-cheating advantage players ???

                              An old Vegas motto: "An edge is an edge!"

                               

                              Fortuna

                              EddessaKnight