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Would you use a system that generated 343 straights (for Pick 3)?

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Would you use a system that generated 400 straight (out of which one is the winning)?

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Posted: November 30, 2013, 1:31 pm - IP Logged

After spending 3 months trying to develop my own system, I have come up with what I believe to be my best.

My system is based on checking which numbers, if they do come up, will or will not match past distributions when grouped into different sequences. I have written a program to do this, otherwise it would take 20+ hours to this on excel, since I go and check back upto the last 1000 drawings. (I will not get into the method, since it will take me hours to explain the algorithm in details.)

Unfortunately, I can only eliminate 3 or 4 numbers in each spot using this method; hence, I get 7x7x7 = 343 numbers. This works everytime, but the obvious issue is that there are too many combinations to play and I do not like to filter as its seems to elimate winning numbers many times. Imagine filtering out 170 numbers from 343, and finding out you filtered the winning number and lost $173!


Anyways, would you use this type of system?

Test it for twenty drawings.
Make a sheet with costs and income.
Everytime that you simulate: -343
Everytime that you win: +500

Make the total of costs and wins.
Make the difference and post it.

Finally ask yourself why you posted the question while you could find the answer yourself.
Also ask yourself why you would ask us without giving us your program and your classes.
How can anyone check on bugs in your system or calculation if nobody but you knows anything about it?

My answer is, I wouldn't use your system because I do not know what it does.
You are not worth my trust.

    Lucky Loser's avatar - bucks
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    First of all, the OP need not predict, post, or test anything for anyone to see. He simply asked if anyone would use a system which generated the str8 picks and the general consensus is 'NO' from what I'm seeing. So be it. The only person that needs to understand what, how, why, when, and where the system does its' thing is THE OP. More than likely, he only wanted to see what kind of responses he'd get and why. I can clearly see that most here don't understand what he's working towards, and therefore, have plenty of doubts. Rightfully so as many have come here claiming to have something but failed to really show any worth while numbers, in my opinion, that could actually produce the wins.

    I like this guy's numbers and can see the potential so long he works it the right way and doesn't become afraid of a loss when testing. All this stuff about odds and percentages is thrown out of the window, completely, when the right amount of numbers are played correctly. This is where playing only when the numbers are just right pays off even more so. OP, do your thing and keep it to yourself is my advice. 

    Capitalism=Every man earns for himself and succeeds.

    Liberalism=Just give it away to everybody that doesn't deserve it.

     

    Think about that hard and long, buddy.

     

    L.L.

    Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

    There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

    #lotto-4-a-living

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      First of all, the OP need not predict, post, or test anything for anyone to see. He simply asked if anyone would use a system which generated the str8 picks and the general consensus is 'NO' from what I'm seeing. So be it. The only person that needs to understand what, how, why, when, and where the system does its' thing is THE OP. More than likely, he only wanted to see what kind of responses he'd get and why. I can clearly see that most here don't understand what he's working towards, and therefore, have plenty of doubts. Rightfully so as many have come here claiming to have something but failed to really show any worth while numbers, in my opinion, that could actually produce the wins.

      I like this guy's numbers and can see the potential so long he works it the right way and doesn't become afraid of a loss when testing. All this stuff about odds and percentages is thrown out of the window, completely, when the right amount of numbers are played correctly. This is where playing only when the numbers are just right pays off even more so. OP, do your thing and keep it to yourself is my advice. 

      Capitalism=Every man earns for himself and succeeds.

      Liberalism=Just give it away to everybody that doesn't deserve it.

       

      Think about that hard and long, buddy.

       

      L.L.

      Well said!!!

      Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

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        First of all, the OP need not predict, post, or test anything for anyone to see. He simply asked if anyone would use a system which generated the str8 picks and the general consensus is 'NO' from what I'm seeing. So be it. The only person that needs to understand what, how, why, when, and where the system does its' thing is THE OP. More than likely, he only wanted to see what kind of responses he'd get and why. I can clearly see that most here don't understand what he's working towards, and therefore, have plenty of doubts. Rightfully so as many have come here claiming to have something but failed to really show any worth while numbers, in my opinion, that could actually produce the wins.

        I like this guy's numbers and can see the potential so long he works it the right way and doesn't become afraid of a loss when testing. All this stuff about odds and percentages is thrown out of the window, completely, when the right amount of numbers are played correctly. This is where playing only when the numbers are just right pays off even more so. OP, do your thing and keep it to yourself is my advice. 

        Capitalism=Every man earns for himself and succeeds.

        Liberalism=Just give it away to everybody that doesn't deserve it.

         

        Think about that hard and long, buddy.

         

        L.L.

        I can only eliminate 3 or 4 numbers in each spot using this method; hence, I get 7x7x7 = 343 numbers. This works everytime

        The question was based on an assumption the system could eliminate three digits in each digit position and produce the winning combo every drawing.

        but the obvious issue is that there are too many combinations to play and I do not like to filter as its seems to elimate winning numbers many times.

        If 343 combos are producing an exact match every drawing, it's a 45% profit every drawing making it unnecessary to risk filtering the 343 combos.

        Anyways, I am satisfied that I can go from 1000 combinations down to 343 with a 90% success rate.

        After questioned, we find out the success rate isn't guaranteed, but 90%. IMO, we can't give an honest "yes or no" answer without more data even if isn't nothing more than a five day trial using midday and evening drawings. It's mathematically possible to predict the one three digit combo winning combo every drawing, but saying it and proving it are two different things.

        At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership.

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          First of all, the OP need not predict, post, or test anything for anyone to see. He simply asked if anyone would use a system which generated the str8 picks and the general consensus is 'NO' from what I'm seeing. So be it. The only person that needs to understand what, how, why, when, and where the system does its' thing is THE OP. More than likely, he only wanted to see what kind of responses he'd get and why. I can clearly see that most here don't understand what he's working towards, and therefore, have plenty of doubts. Rightfully so as many have come here claiming to have something but failed to really show any worth while numbers, in my opinion, that could actually produce the wins.

          I like this guy's numbers and can see the potential so long he works it the right way and doesn't become afraid of a loss when testing. All this stuff about odds and percentages is thrown out of the window, completely, when the right amount of numbers are played correctly. This is where playing only when the numbers are just right pays off even more so. OP, do your thing and keep it to yourself is my advice. 

          Capitalism=Every man earns for himself and succeeds.

          Liberalism=Just give it away to everybody that doesn't deserve it.

           

          Think about that hard and long, buddy.

           

          L.L.

          "Capitalism=Every man earns for himself and succeeds.

          Liberalism=Just give it away to everybody that doesn't deserve it.

          Think about that hard and long, buddy."

           

          I have, that is the reason when someone ask such a question I know it's BS. 

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            I can only eliminate 3 or 4 numbers in each spot using this method; hence, I get 7x7x7 = 343 numbers. This works everytime

            The question was based on an assumption the system could eliminate three digits in each digit position and produce the winning combo every drawing.

            but the obvious issue is that there are too many combinations to play and I do not like to filter as its seems to elimate winning numbers many times.

            If 343 combos are producing an exact match every drawing, it's a 45% profit every drawing making it unnecessary to risk filtering the 343 combos.

            Anyways, I am satisfied that I can go from 1000 combinations down to 343 with a 90% success rate.

            After questioned, we find out the success rate isn't guaranteed, but 90%. IMO, we can't give an honest "yes or no" answer without more data even if isn't nothing more than a five day trial using midday and evening drawings. It's mathematically possible to predict the one three digit combo winning combo every drawing, but saying it and proving it are two different things.

            At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership.

            If 343 combos are producing an exact match every drawing, it's a 45% profit every drawing making it unnecessary to risk filtering the 343 combos.

            This is true, but the (343) number set can be filtered down further without too much risk. Also, he needs not play every draw...this is where players get nowhere real fast. The true numbers here represent something a lot more important than just profit, although, the profit is very important. They actually go hand in hand.

            After questioned, we find out the success rate isn't guaranteed, but 90%. IMO, we can't give an honest "yes or no" answer without more data even if isn't nothing more than a five day trial using midday and evening drawings. It's mathematically possible to predict the one three digit combo winning combo every drawing, but saying it and proving it are two different things.

            Nothing is guaranteed with these games, it's all about creating a system with as much efficiency as possible and knowing how to implement it. The number count and cost are one in the same and go hand in hand with efficiency as well. The pro's will outweigh the con's with a sharp player that truely understands and I'm certain he's proved it to himself already. It costs money to make money, especially in this business, and you get what you pay for...literally.

            At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership.

            You're absolutely correct here, it means absolutely nothing to the $1 & 2$ jackpot players that drop (+-) $10 on every draw and it's light years away from ever returning any profit whatsoever. No system can be developed to win any money, create efficiency, or reduce the 'odds' of losing severely. Yeah, $343 is a lot of money to spend on a single draw, but it's HOW and WHERE the money is spent which makes it work near flawlessly in Pick3. With the jackpot games, $343 isn't even a drop in the bucket...it's merely a vapor that instantly disappears. Take $10/draw on each jackpot game, multiply that by six months, and you're closing in on spending the same amount with ZERO chance of a return of any kind. There is no comparison in terms of potential and the OP will fare well.

             

            L.L.

            Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

            There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

            #lotto-4-a-living

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              Posted: December 1, 2013, 10:49 am - IP Logged

              "At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership."

              What ever happened to that group that back in the day that would have been interested in such a scheme?  Did they go broke and drop out?

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                "At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership."

                What ever happened to that group that back in the day that would have been interested in such a scheme?  Did they go broke and drop out?

                 interested in such a scheme?

                So, is this word being used as a noun or verb here? One way it's positive and other is negative.

                 

                L.L.

                Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                #lotto-4-a-living

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                  If 343 combos are producing an exact match every drawing, it's a 45% profit every drawing making it unnecessary to risk filtering the 343 combos.

                  This is true, but the (343) number set can be filtered down further without too much risk. Also, he needs not play every draw...this is where players get nowhere real fast. The true numbers here represent something a lot more important than just profit, although, the profit is very important. They actually go hand in hand.

                  After questioned, we find out the success rate isn't guaranteed, but 90%. IMO, we can't give an honest "yes or no" answer without more data even if isn't nothing more than a five day trial using midday and evening drawings. It's mathematically possible to predict the one three digit combo winning combo every drawing, but saying it and proving it are two different things.

                  Nothing is guaranteed with these games, it's all about creating a system with as much efficiency as possible and knowing how to implement it. The number count and cost are one in the same and go hand in hand with efficiency as well. The pro's will outweigh the con's with a sharp player that truely understands and I'm certain he's proved it to himself already. It costs money to make money, especially in this business, and you get what you pay for...literally.

                  At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership.

                  You're absolutely correct here, it means absolutely nothing to the $1 & 2$ jackpot players that drop (+-) $10 on every draw and it's light years away from ever returning any profit whatsoever. No system can be developed to win any money, create efficiency, or reduce the 'odds' of losing severely. Yeah, $343 is a lot of money to spend on a single draw, but it's HOW and WHERE the money is spent which makes it work near flawlessly in Pick3. With the jackpot games, $343 isn't even a drop in the bucket...it's merely a vapor that instantly disappears. Take $10/draw on each jackpot game, multiply that by six months, and you're closing in on spending the same amount with ZERO chance of a return of any kind. There is no comparison in terms of potential and the OP will fare well.

                   

                  L.L.

                  My point was topics like this means absolutely nothing to the majority of LP members. We have members who think a 50 cent box is a huge bet.

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                    Posted: December 1, 2013, 11:20 pm - IP Logged

                    "At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership."

                    What ever happened to that group that back in the day that would have been interested in such a scheme?  Did they go broke and drop out?

                    I didn't think I needed to amend my remarks, but if it helps I will; "Back in the day many LP members would be interested in DISCUSSING this system".

                    Would you rather discuss the pros and cons of paying cash for your dream house or discuss the possibilities of actually picking the correct combos to win a jackpot?


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                      I would and here's why: $500-$343 =$157 profit; $157 profit � 30 days =$ 4,710 month;$4,710 � 12 months =$ 56,520 tax free money!!! (Based upon you only purchasing one ticket, could be more if you doubled up once you started winning)

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                        "At $343 a drawing, a 75% success rate would show a profit, but that means nothing to the $1 or $2 jackpot game QP players who make up the majority of active LP members. Back in the day many LP members would be interested in this system, but not our current active membership."

                        What ever happened to that group that back in the day that would have been interested in such a scheme?  Did they go broke and drop out?

                        Maybe they are collecting bottles and cans?


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                          Thanks for your words, L.L.

                          I completely agree with you. Hoping to win consistently with 10 combination is truly absurd.

                          Ideally speaking, all possible 1000 combinations have equal likelihood of coming up, however, all we can do is eliminate combinations based on what actually occurs in most cases. Suggesting that one can eliminate 990 possible combinations would be an extremely strong evidence for determinism.

                          In the end, the goal is to create a probability model with a high succes rate with a good profit margin. (I prefer the term "probability model," instead of system, since I only observe what happens within the lottery distributions most of the time.) Anyways, I am satisfied that I can go from 1000 combinations down to 343 with a 90% success rate.

                          I would like to play online, but it's not legal and I don't trust that website since I have heard of people being robbed of money on their account; but with a 90% success rate and a $900 payout, playing 343 combinations does sound irrestibly profitable.

                          Anyways, I think I will start playing pairs for Daily 4. So my model will give me 7x7=49 combinations, and filters will get me down to 20 combinations. I can start by making about $15-20 per game on average (after including losses mostly due to filters and they payout being only $50). Unfortunately, the profit margin is very slim.

                          If winning with ten combinations is absurd, then your system is asinine.

                          You should define what you mean by "consistently".

                          Determinism?  Is this a waste of time college philosophy class? 

                          Your original question should have been, "Would you play a pair system in pick 4?"!!!!!!

                          20 combinations?  You must be absurd!!!!

                          If the profit margin is very slim, then take a chance and play online!!! Take a GAMBLE!!!!!Roll Eyes

                          Don't worry about being robbed!!! Its not like you are actually going to win anything!!!

                          Puke

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                            My point was topics like this means absolutely nothing to the majority of LP members. We have members who think a 50 cent box is a huge bet.

                            Thanks, Stack. I understand a little better now. So, in your opinion, how much does the average player here spend when playing? Do they actually play daily and every draw? Are they keeping track of each play, its' total cost, losses, and what they recover in the event of a hit whether boxed or straight? I mean, a person  can spend $5 a day between both draws and if they fail to get just a box hit within (8) days for a $40 payout, they're in the hole from jump street. Repeat this for yet another (8) days and then a straight hit is mandatory. You with me here?

                            Granted, luck does happen but it isn't consistent in any way. Penny pinching in this game definitely requires that the player(s) are 'sleeping' with luck...pun intended. 

                             

                            L.L.

                            Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                            There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                            #lotto-4-a-living

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                              how about you throwing out the system and have everyone come up with their ideas about decreasing the amount of play to a conservative number. You would be surprised at what the brains here can do. lol
                              Bed sleep on it.