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# Is this strange

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boston,ma
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Here in Massachusetts, we have a game called "Lucky for life" where the jackpot is winning \$1,000.00 a day for life. 2nd prize is \$25,000.00 a year for life. However, there were only 3 2nd prize winners(2 in october and 1 in sept.) but not one person hit the jackpot in 2013. In the entire year, not one person hit the jackpot. Anyone think this is strange or pretty normal? To me, I would assume someone would've hit it at least once.

Happyland
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Here in Massachusetts, we have a game called "Lucky for life" where the jackpot is winning \$1,000.00 a day for life. 2nd prize is \$25,000.00 a year for life. However, there were only 3 2nd prize winners(2 in october and 1 in sept.) but not one person hit the jackpot in 2013. In the entire year, not one person hit the jackpot. Anyone think this is strange or pretty normal? To me, I would assume someone would've hit it at least once.

The odds for that game are 1 in 41,391,714 so I would say pretty normal if sales per draw are low. I have seen jackpots with lower odds go without a winner longer (i.e. Ohio Classic). Would really need the sales figures to calculate significance

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
P&L % = Total Win(\$)/Total Wager(\$) - 1

NASHVILLE, TENN
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Hang in there.  Perhaps you will win it one day soon.

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 Posted: January 25, 2014, 3:48 pm - IP Logged

In a Las Vegas slot machine context . . https://www.google.com/#q=mgm+Lion%E2%80%99s+Share+machine

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It's surprising no one hit because i see people play including myself.

Massachusetts
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L4L

MATCHPROBABILITYTOP PRIZE
5 + Lucky Ball1 in 41,391,714 ***\$7,000 a WEEK for LIFE! ***
51 in 985,517 **\$25,000 a YEAR for LIFE! **
4 + Lucky Ball1 in 217,851.1 *\$3,000 *
41 in 5,186.9\$150
3 + Lucky Ball1 in 5,887.9\$100
31 in 140.2\$10
2 + Lucky Ball1 in 490.7\$20
21 in 11.7\$2
1 + Lucky Ball1 in 112.2\$5
0 + Lucky Ball1 in 82.5\$4

Those are horrendous odds for a \$2 ticket for only one line. Even for the second prize. I play it like once a year when I get that false signal and happen to be at the store and have \$2 with me.

That money's gone fo ever

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L4L

MATCHPROBABILITYTOP PRIZE
5 + Lucky Ball1 in 41,391,714 ***\$7,000 a WEEK for LIFE! ***
51 in 985,517 **\$25,000 a YEAR for LIFE! **
4 + Lucky Ball1 in 217,851.1 *\$3,000 *
41 in 5,186.9\$150
3 + Lucky Ball1 in 5,887.9\$100
31 in 140.2\$10
2 + Lucky Ball1 in 490.7\$20
21 in 11.7\$2
1 + Lucky Ball1 in 112.2\$5
0 + Lucky Ball1 in 82.5\$4

Those are horrendous odds for a \$2 ticket for only one line. Even for the second prize. I play it like once a year when I get that false signal and happen to be at the store and have \$2 with me.

MGM:

Lottery and LUV is "strange"

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 Posted: January 25, 2014, 6:28 pm - IP Logged

L4L

MATCHPROBABILITYTOP PRIZE
5 + Lucky Ball1 in 41,391,714 ***\$7,000 a WEEK for LIFE! ***
51 in 985,517 **\$25,000 a YEAR for LIFE! **
4 + Lucky Ball1 in 217,851.1 *\$3,000 *
41 in 5,186.9\$150
3 + Lucky Ball1 in 5,887.9\$100
31 in 140.2\$10
2 + Lucky Ball1 in 490.7\$20
21 in 11.7\$2
1 + Lucky Ball1 in 112.2\$5
0 + Lucky Ball1 in 82.5\$4

Those are horrendous odds for a \$2 ticket for only one line. Even for the second prize. I play it like once a year when I get that false signal and happen to be at the store and have \$2 with me.

WOW that is a BIG jump in odds from 2nd to Jackpot!

Massachusetts
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WOW that is a BIG jump in odds from 2nd to Jackpot!

Yes. I wish I lived closer to the NY border so I could play NY Lotto. This L4L is for the really ambitious.

That money's gone fo ever

upstate NY
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It is odd that L4L has so few winners given that it's played all throughout New England, not just Massachusetts.  It's probably like NY's Sweet Million:  They don't get enough players to regularly have a jackpot winner, but they DO get enough players that they're making money.  It's that sweet spot that makes it worth continuing the game from the lottery's perspective.

Happyland
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Here in Massachusetts, we have a game called "Lucky for life" where the jackpot is winning \$1,000.00 a day for life. 2nd prize is \$25,000.00 a year for life. However, there were only 3 2nd prize winners(2 in october and 1 in sept.) but not one person hit the jackpot in 2013. In the entire year, not one person hit the jackpot. Anyone think this is strange or pretty normal? To me, I would assume someone would've hit it at least once.

Based on my estimates it looks like they only sell about 300,000-400,000 tickets per drawing, sometimes fewer but the average would be about 350,000. Using a 'high' estimate of 400,000 per drawing, it would take about 75 draws before the cumulative probability topped 50/50 and over 1,000 draws before it reaches 1.00 (sure thing of a winner). Even if my estimates are wayyyyy off and they sell 3 million/drawing....it would still take nearly 140 drawings for it to be a sure thing.

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
P&L % = Total Win(\$)/Total Wager(\$) - 1

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