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if a lottery official's kid won either the PB/MM jackpot. ..

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Posted: June 4, 2014, 2:12 pm - IP Logged

Would it raise eyebrows or would you consider it a fluke? 

Have a wonderful rest of the week people!

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    Posted: June 4, 2014, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

    Would it raise eyebrows or would you consider it a fluke? 

    Have a wonderful rest of the week people!

    That is a no noNo No

    Lottery employees, vendors and their family members are generally not allowed to play, and shouldn't be allowed to collect if they win.

    Here is a typical example from a lottery detailing who is NOT allowed to play:

    "Employees of the Illinois Lottery, the Lottery Control Board, officers and employees of Northstar Lottery Group, LLC and its affiliates including Scientific Games International, Inc. and GTECH Corporation; officers and employees of Northstar Lottery Group's advertising, public relations, and sales promotion agencies assigned to the Illinois Lottery account; officers and employees of audit firms performing for the Illinois Lottery; certain other contractors of the Illinois Lottery or Northstar Lottery Group, LLC; and other agents and families living in the same household of each are not eligible to play."

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      JD- The operative word is " generally not allowed", but let's just say for argument sake that the official has had a "falling out" with the kid/kids, they consider him/ her a lowlife parent and want absolutely nothing to do with the parent- least of all follow any instructions pertaining to their jobs...then what?

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        Posted: June 4, 2014, 2:36 pm - IP Logged

        If they live in the same household they can't collect.

        "Understand... people are more complicated than the masks they wear in society... everyone is playing to win, and some people will use moral justifications to advance their side"

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          Posted: June 4, 2014, 2:37 pm - IP Logged

          JD- The operative word is " generally not allowed", but let's just say for argument sake that the official has had a "falling out" with the kid/kids, they consider him/ her a lowlife parent and want absolutely nothing to do with the parent- least of all follow any instructions pertaining to their jobs...then what?

          No Pity!Too bad...so sad.

          He's still your dad, so to play would be bad. Thumbs Down

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            If they live in the same household they can't collect.

             One Day: I can see a Law Firm going to bat for a winner of a $200 mil jackpot being told " you cannot collect" simply because you live under the same roof as the Lottery official. The argument could be made that in this case,  the Lottery is under the assumption that winning the jackpot is not random,  given the odds.

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              No Pity!Too bad...so sad.

              He's still your dad, so to play would be bad. Thumbs Down

              I can see this going all the way up to the Supreme Court.

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                That is a no noNo No

                Lottery employees, vendors and their family members are generally not allowed to play, and shouldn't be allowed to collect if they win.

                Here is a typical example from a lottery detailing who is NOT allowed to play:

                "Employees of the Illinois Lottery, the Lottery Control Board, officers and employees of Northstar Lottery Group, LLC and its affiliates including Scientific Games International, Inc. and GTECH Corporation; officers and employees of Northstar Lottery Group's advertising, public relations, and sales promotion agencies assigned to the Illinois Lottery account; officers and employees of audit firms performing for the Illinois Lottery; certain other contractors of the Illinois Lottery or Northstar Lottery Group, LLC; and other agents and families living in the same household of each are not eligible to play."

                It depends if retailers and their employees are considered "employees of the lottery" because if they are, it would eliminate all extraordinary large prize ticket cashing. Now because there are so many examples of store owners and clerks cashing lots of winning tickets, it should be obvious their state lottery does not prevent them from playing games.

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                   One Day: I can see a Law Firm going to bat for a winner of a $200 mil jackpot being told " you cannot collect" simply because you live under the same roof as the Lottery official. The argument could be made that in this case,  the Lottery is under the assumption that winning the jackpot is not random,  given the odds.

                  I'm assuming the term "lottery official" applies to people working directly for a state lottery ie. those making the decision and not necessarily the people selling the tickets. Quite a few LP members and probably a majority are demanding total anonymity for jackpot winners and if that happens, we will never know if lottery employees, including the director and the person supervising the drawings or people living under the same roof won a jackpot. 

                  "The argument could be made that in this case,  the Lottery is under the assumption that winning the jackpot is not random,  given the odds."

                  The "no play" rule applies to all lottery games so the odds of any one game would be irrelevant. The rule is based on the assumption the games are random and so it's possible a lottery official or someone in their household can win. The only legal arguments would be against the rule preventing those living in the same household from playing or if the family member can prove they were never told by the lottery official they were ineligible to play.

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                    I'm assuming the term "lottery official" applies to people working directly for a state lottery ie. those making the decision and not necessarily the people selling the tickets. Quite a few LP members and probably a majority are demanding total anonymity for jackpot winners and if that happens, we will never know if lottery employees, including the director and the person supervising the drawings or people living under the same roof won a jackpot. 

                    "The argument could be made that in this case,  the Lottery is under the assumption that winning the jackpot is not random,  given the odds."

                    The "no play" rule applies to all lottery games so the odds of any one game would be irrelevant. The rule is based on the assumption the games are random and so it's possible a lottery official or someone in their household can win. The only legal arguments would be against the rule preventing those living in the same household from playing or if the family member can prove they were never told by the lottery official they were ineligible to play.

                    Your response makes total sense Stack.

                    I would find it extremely unreasonable for the Lottery to exclude family members from playing a game they love simply because one or both parents are directly affiliated with the Lottery Commission. What's to stop the family members from telling a TRUSTED cousin's twice removed from  claiming the jackpot on their behalf? I would be concerned about the outcome of computer generated games being routinely won by family members.

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                      It depends if retailers and their employees are considered "employees of the lottery" because if they are, it would eliminate all extraordinary large prize ticket cashing. Now because there are so many examples of store owners and clerks cashing lots of winning tickets, it should be obvious their state lottery does not prevent them from playing games.

                      In general, no, retailers are not considered prohibited players like direct lottery employees, vendors and contractors. Although some people think the should be. Wink

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                        Your response makes total sense Stack.

                        I would find it extremely unreasonable for the Lottery to exclude family members from playing a game they love simply because one or both parents are directly affiliated with the Lottery Commission. What's to stop the family members from telling a TRUSTED cousin's twice removed from  claiming the jackpot on their behalf? I would be concerned about the outcome of computer generated games being routinely won by family members.

                        I would find it extremely unreasonable for the Lottery to exclude family members from playing a game they love simply because one or both parents are directly affiliated with the Lottery Commission.

                        I completely disagree.

                        That's just tough dung. That's the price you pay for working for the lottery or being a member of the household of the same. No sympathy here. If they want to play that bad, they are free to find another job. 

                        Sure, there are probably people who are on that prohibited list that still play, and maybe have some small wins. But if they have a large win and have to file a claim, they can be and should be denied payment. Or maybe they go sneaking around and having someone else claim and split the winnings and other kinds of deception. But oh, what a tangled web they weave...

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                          Jon D,

                          Illinois has two state fairs and every year the Illinois lottery sets up a tent, sells tickets, and gives away logo hats, things to scratch scrathers with, etc...

                          When the workers are asked if they themselves play the lottery they say they can't play the Illinois lottery so just go to neighboring states.

                          So as far as the question posed in the OP, if they won PB or MM in another state it wouldn't be any big deal.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Jon D,

                            Illinois has two state fairs and every year the Illinois lottery sets up a tent, sells tickets, and gives away logo hats, things to scratch scrathers with, etc...

                            When the workers are asked if they themselves play the lottery they say they can't play the Illinois lottery so just go to neighboring states.

                            So as far as the question posed in the OP, if they won PB or MM in another state it wouldn't be any big deal.

                            So as far as the question posed in the OP, if they won PB or MM in another state it wouldn't be any big deal.

                            I'm not so sure.

                            It's one thing if a lottery employee plays games offered in another state. Like if a NJ lottery employee crosses the border to play NY Lotto or NY Scratch games.

                            But the multi-state games still present a possible problem of conflict of interest and appearance of impropriety. What if the Florida lottery director's son won the Powerball jackpot, from a ticket he crossed the border to buy in Georgia? Even though the game is drawn and offered in Florida? And the press gets wind of that. You think the public will just shrug that off and say, nothing to see here, move along?

                            Or if the MUSL drawing manager Sue Dooley's daughter buys a PB ticket while off in college and wins the PB jackpot? That too could present a crisis. Something that is best avoided, or just disallowed.

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                              As far as I know each states' PB and MM tickets don't just say Powerball or Mega Millions on them, they are preceded by the state name, Missouri Powerball, etc....

                              So I still don't see it being any controversy other than the standard, "How come it's always a lottery employee or family member who flies from Ft. Lee, NJ to Tucumcari, NM that hits the jackpot?"

                              I think the number of wiseguys that hit the Mass. lottery are far more curious, but that's just me.

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.