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Posted: June 7, 2014, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

Simply put by my favorite guru RJOh, "garbage in garbage out"
Do computers work?, same principles applies.
I spent the better part of my morning reading most of the threads in this discussion
forum.Talking about LOL, informative, funny and contentious.
What a rumble between STACK47 and COIN TOSS.
LUCKY LOOSER added some wisdom in advising the "practice of patience,discipline
and timing" choosing your selection of digits. GRWURSTON highlighted the importance of
paying attention to "patterns,repeating digits (numbers) from the previous draw".

Personally, I have made decent money over the years playing systems.
Some which I have purchased and played as is, and some of which I have used as a
base for simple/extensive modifications. I intend to post on or two on LP in the near
future. I very rarely invest in QPs. However, use whatever works best for you, but
always look for new strategies.

I will always remember the day I was in the Wisconsin Lottery Office collecting a Pick 4
STRAIGHT WIN (produce by one of my systems, proof available) and there was this lady
collecting a scratch-off win more than three times my winnings, so whatever works to
enhance your bank balance,lol.

BOBBY 623 said it best, "bring something new to the discussion". I guess he meant less squabbling
and more practical suggestions for winning and developing systems and strategies.
Finally, a word on WHEELING SYSTEMS. My first significant PB win ($5000+) was with a GH system,
(proof on my files).

Here's a challenge to STACK 47 and COIN TOSS use your collective brain trust to find a way for the
155,351 LP members to contribute $1 each for PB tickets......Mmmmmm!!!, might be illegal, but
a challenge for two of our most dedicated, informed minds here on LP.

REMEMBER, WE ARE ALLIES HERE, DEFEATING THE LOTTERY COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE OUR
COLLECTIVE GOAL.

Good Luck to all.

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    Posted: June 7, 2014, 3:35 pm - IP Logged

    Simply put by my favorite guru RJOh, "garbage in garbage out"
    Do computers work?, same principles applies.
    I spent the better part of my morning reading most of the threads in this discussion
    forum.Talking about LOL, informative, funny and contentious.
    What a rumble between STACK47 and COIN TOSS.
    LUCKY LOOSER added some wisdom in advising the "practice of patience,discipline
    and timing" choosing your selection of digits. GRWURSTON highlighted the importance of
    paying attention to "patterns,repeating digits (numbers) from the previous draw".

    Personally, I have made decent money over the years playing systems.
    Some which I have purchased and played as is, and some of which I have used as a
    base for simple/extensive modifications. I intend to post on or two on LP in the near
    future. I very rarely invest in QPs. However, use whatever works best for you, but
    always look for new strategies.

    I will always remember the day I was in the Wisconsin Lottery Office collecting a Pick 4
    STRAIGHT WIN (produce by one of my systems, proof available) and there was this lady
    collecting a scratch-off win more than three times my winnings, so whatever works to
    enhance your bank balance,lol.

    BOBBY 623 said it best, "bring something new to the discussion". I guess he meant less squabbling
    and more practical suggestions for winning and developing systems and strategies.
    Finally, a word on WHEELING SYSTEMS. My first significant PB win ($5000+) was with a GH system,
    (proof on my files).

    Here's a challenge to STACK 47 and COIN TOSS use your collective brain trust to find a way for the
    155,351 LP members to contribute $1 each for PB tickets......Mmmmmm!!!, might be illegal, but
    a challenge for two of our most dedicated, informed minds here on LP.

    REMEMBER, WE ARE ALLIES HERE, DEFEATING THE LOTTERY COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE OUR
    COLLECTIVE GOAL.

    Good Luck to all.

    Here's a challenge to STACK 47 and COIN TOSS use your collective brain trust to find a way for the
    155,351 LP members to contribute $1 each for PB tickets......

    Similar challenges have been made before and no one was interested in handling the logistics of such a task and fewer members were willing to spend their money that way.  LP is a good place to exchange ideas, even stupid ones but when it comes to forming lottery pools that's best left to co-workers, friends and families.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: June 7, 2014, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

      datamon414,

      Good post. We are all where our experiences have put us.
      I've seen two things work, but neither one was for any lottery games.

      One is a real boring progressive craps Don't system betting that four shooters don't make four passes each. It's not a pure double up though, which is economic suicide.

      The other was a way of doping out NFL games by Ernie Kaufman, known as the "Bookie Destroyer". He has a set of criteria to apply to NFL games but this was years ago before expansions and a 16 week schedule. Most games cancelled out by the criteria but when it indicated a + it came through like a champ.

      If I could find something similar for lotto I'd jump on it, but thus far I've only seen people talk about systems. I'm still saying that the desire for there to be a system to beat the lotto does more to sell lotto systems than anything else.

      The same people I see at the lottery counter that say things like "I'm playing 377 tonight and I'm playing it heavy" are the ones who throw away 15 or more tickets the next day - Illinois Pick 3, EVE, 377.

      As for the LP pool of 155,351 members to play you'd get a very few takers and thousands of people, in the event of a win, saying, "Cut me in, you know I'd have given you a buck if you asked." (Hello, we did ask).

      Bang Head

      PS,

      The gambling industry as a whole, all types of wagering, considers there's only two things that can be beat, and they are poker and sports betting. And a lot of sports bettors get beat because they make 'heart' bets.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

      Lep

      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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        Posted: June 7, 2014, 9:41 pm - IP Logged

        datamon414,

        Good post. We are all where our experiences have put us.
        I've seen two things work, but neither one was for any lottery games.

        One is a real boring progressive craps Don't system betting that four shooters don't make four passes each. It's not a pure double up though, which is economic suicide.

        The other was a way of doping out NFL games by Ernie Kaufman, known as the "Bookie Destroyer". He has a set of criteria to apply to NFL games but this was years ago before expansions and a 16 week schedule. Most games cancelled out by the criteria but when it indicated a + it came through like a champ.

        If I could find something similar for lotto I'd jump on it, but thus far I've only seen people talk about systems. I'm still saying that the desire for there to be a system to beat the lotto does more to sell lotto systems than anything else.

        The same people I see at the lottery counter that say things like "I'm playing 377 tonight and I'm playing it heavy" are the ones who throw away 15 or more tickets the next day - Illinois Pick 3, EVE, 377.

        As for the LP pool of 155,351 members to play you'd get a very few takers and thousands of people, in the event of a win, saying, "Cut me in, you know I'd have given you a buck if you asked." (Hello, we did ask).

        Bang Head

        PS,

        The gambling industry as a whole, all types of wagering, considers there's only two things that can be beat, and they are poker and sports betting. And a lot of sports bettors get beat because they make 'heart' bets.

        And a lot of sports bettors get beat because they make 'heart' bets.

        Lottery players get beat too. Only we call them "favorites or pet" numbers. You know, the numbers we play for weeks because we're afraid as soon as we give up on it, it will come in...

        "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

        The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

        Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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          Posted: June 7, 2014, 10:47 pm - IP Logged

          And a lot of sports bettors get beat because they make 'heart' bets.

          Lottery players get beat too. Only we call them "favorites or pet" numbers. You know, the numbers we play for weeks because we're afraid as soon as we give up on it, it will come in...

          Yeah grwurston, I thought about that.

          "My numbers" and "I can't stop playing them now", etc....

          Cards, dice roulette balls, and lotteries have 'eyes, ears, and no heart".

          They see what you bet, hear what you bet, and are heartless about making sure those bets don't win.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: June 7, 2014, 10:54 pm - IP Logged

            Yeah grwurston, I thought about that.

            "My numbers" and "I can't stop playing them now", etc....

            Cards, dice roulette balls, and lotteries have 'eyes, ears, and no heart".

            They see what you bet, hear what you bet, and are heartless about making sure those bets don't win.

            Number 1 rule CT,  Never full in love with a #. Most times it will just take your $$$$ and leave you  Crying

            "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

            The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

            Don't just think outside the box, crush it.


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              Number 1 rule CT,  Never full in love with a #. Most times it will just take your $$$$ and leave you  Crying

              That would go for any of the games.

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                Posted: June 8, 2014, 12:00 pm - IP Logged

                Simply put by my favorite guru RJOh, "garbage in garbage out"
                Do computers work?, same principles applies.
                I spent the better part of my morning reading most of the threads in this discussion
                forum.Talking about LOL, informative, funny and contentious.
                What a rumble between STACK47 and COIN TOSS.
                LUCKY LOOSER added some wisdom in advising the "practice of patience,discipline
                and timing" choosing your selection of digits. GRWURSTON highlighted the importance of
                paying attention to "patterns,repeating digits (numbers) from the previous draw".

                Personally, I have made decent money over the years playing systems.
                Some which I have purchased and played as is, and some of which I have used as a
                base for simple/extensive modifications. I intend to post on or two on LP in the near
                future. I very rarely invest in QPs. However, use whatever works best for you, but
                always look for new strategies.

                I will always remember the day I was in the Wisconsin Lottery Office collecting a Pick 4
                STRAIGHT WIN (produce by one of my systems, proof available) and there was this lady
                collecting a scratch-off win more than three times my winnings, so whatever works to
                enhance your bank balance,lol.

                BOBBY 623 said it best, "bring something new to the discussion". I guess he meant less squabbling
                and more practical suggestions for winning and developing systems and strategies.
                Finally, a word on WHEELING SYSTEMS. My first significant PB win ($5000+) was with a GH system,
                (proof on my files).

                Here's a challenge to STACK 47 and COIN TOSS use your collective brain trust to find a way for the
                155,351 LP members to contribute $1 each for PB tickets......Mmmmmm!!!, might be illegal, but
                a challenge for two of our most dedicated, informed minds here on LP.

                REMEMBER, WE ARE ALLIES HERE, DEFEATING THE LOTTERY COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE OUR
                COLLECTIVE GOAL.

                Good Luck to all.

                Thank you for the kind words and, most of all, recognizing that those three compiled are ideal for a true system. Also, grwurston fortifies that with observing everything that's going on from one draw to the next. All these things applied collectively will produce wins...and regularly. Granted, there must be enough money and numbers involved also...$5 ain't gonna keep anyone from goin' into their pocket to play every time.

                 

                L.L.

                Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                #lotto-4-a-living

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                  Simply put by my favorite guru RJOh, "garbage in garbage out"
                  Do computers work?, same principles applies.
                  I spent the better part of my morning reading most of the threads in this discussion
                  forum.Talking about LOL, informative, funny and contentious.
                  What a rumble between STACK47 and COIN TOSS.
                  LUCKY LOOSER added some wisdom in advising the "practice of patience,discipline
                  and timing" choosing your selection of digits. GRWURSTON highlighted the importance of
                  paying attention to "patterns,repeating digits (numbers) from the previous draw".

                  Personally, I have made decent money over the years playing systems.
                  Some which I have purchased and played as is, and some of which I have used as a
                  base for simple/extensive modifications. I intend to post on or two on LP in the near
                  future. I very rarely invest in QPs. However, use whatever works best for you, but
                  always look for new strategies.

                  I will always remember the day I was in the Wisconsin Lottery Office collecting a Pick 4
                  STRAIGHT WIN (produce by one of my systems, proof available) and there was this lady
                  collecting a scratch-off win more than three times my winnings, so whatever works to
                  enhance your bank balance,lol.

                  BOBBY 623 said it best, "bring something new to the discussion". I guess he meant less squabbling
                  and more practical suggestions for winning and developing systems and strategies.
                  Finally, a word on WHEELING SYSTEMS. My first significant PB win ($5000+) was with a GH system,
                  (proof on my files).

                  Here's a challenge to STACK 47 and COIN TOSS use your collective brain trust to find a way for the
                  155,351 LP members to contribute $1 each for PB tickets......Mmmmmm!!!, might be illegal, but
                  a challenge for two of our most dedicated, informed minds here on LP.

                  REMEMBER, WE ARE ALLIES HERE, DEFEATING THE LOTTERY COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE OUR
                  COLLECTIVE GOAL.

                  Good Luck to all.

                  Don't have any "back in the day" stories and hope it won't be necessary to correct the fallacy that poker players are playing against the casinos.

                  Even if all the LP members contributed a buck to a LP PB pool, we would get a not very good 0.04% chance of winning the jackpot, but we should get a few $100 winners. I don't pay much attention to the one a day MM thing, but if those members could pick all 5 numbers in one drawing, it's possible to wheel their predictions with $155,351.

                  I doubt it's possible to beat any lottery commission, but we could get a fair share of their payoffs. Maybe somebody will run a simulations of a full LP membership MM or PB pool.

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                    Vey es mir, once again our resident Mr. Assumes Everything posts.

                    No one said poker players are betting against the casino. they bet against each other, the casino rakes the pot. In some casinos the poker room is actually a private concession that uses casino employees to run it.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Don't have any "back in the day" stories and hope it won't be necessary to correct the fallacy that poker players are playing against the casinos.

                      Even if all the LP members contributed a buck to a LP PB pool, we would get a not very good 0.04% chance of winning the jackpot, but we should get a few $100 winners. I don't pay much attention to the one a day MM thing, but if those members could pick all 5 numbers in one drawing, it's possible to wheel their predictions with $155,351.

                      I doubt it's possible to beat any lottery commission, but we could get a fair share of their payoffs. Maybe somebody will run a simulations of a full LP membership MM or PB pool.

                      Even if all the LP members contributed a buck to a LP PB pool, we would get a not very good 0.04% chance of winning the jackpot, but we should get a few $100 winners.

                      I've watched the prediction board over the years where every member can contribute at least ten predictions for every game played in the US and I've never seen anyone match all the numbers in a jackpot game with jackpots exceeding $5M.  There have been some 5of5 matches but those games jackpots seldom exceed $1M.  There have been a few predictions that came within one or two numbers of matching all the winning numbers in a big game and I suspect that's the best a real LP pool would ever do.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        how  can  people  play   pick  3    and  use   birthdays is   beyond   me


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                          how  can  people  play   pick  3    and  use   birthdays is   beyond   me

                          Also, anniversaries, license-plate numbers, room numbers, "lucky" numbers, horoscopes, and even Quick Picks.

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                            Even if all the LP members contributed a buck to a LP PB pool, we would get a not very good 0.04% chance of winning the jackpot, but we should get a few $100 winners.

                            I've watched the prediction board over the years where every member can contribute at least ten predictions for every game played in the US and I've never seen anyone match all the numbers in a jackpot game with jackpots exceeding $5M.  There have been some 5of5 matches but those games jackpots seldom exceed $1M.  There have been a few predictions that came within one or two numbers of matching all the winning numbers in a big game and I suspect that's the best a real LP pool would ever do.

                            Yeah, the best I've seen this year was someone predicting the top prize in Georgia's All-or-Nothing game for $250,000.  He had 5 identical lines for $1.25 million that day.  I've seen some 5/5 matches on pick 5 and 5/6 matches on pick 6, but that's about it.

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                              how  can  people  play   pick  3    and  use   birthdays is   beyond   me

                              bluerain, Pick3Guy,

                              MM and PB jackpots have been won playing birthdays, anniversaries, birth years, house numbers, etc.... against odds much greater then the Pick 3.

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.