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# Is there such a system or software that works with sums? Help! :-)

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So, I want to kind of confess what I am doing, if I would even able to explain it..LOL.. I have been playing for a while Multi Match, Mega, Power B..for about 6 month and I always get, I am saying consistently, 2 or 3 numbers.. In Multi Match up to 4 often, but I did not get 5  or 6 yet.. And Powerball and Mega 2 to 3.. Ok. May be 4 to 5 times just 1 number..I do not focus so much on the mega or power balls, just more match 5 or match 6 in Multi. So I was basically using couple software's . My concept is to filter what #s probably would not be drawn 60% of the time, at list 60%. I am not sure I reach that point yet..  You know how many times we buying Q picks it could be even 5 combinations and more and non of the numbers in Qp would be in the future draw? So, I am using little bit of everything, little math, some stuff from software, even crazy things like I know, that number that represent the date of the draw will probably not drawn in 70% (approximate) of the time..I dont have any system of mine to share, I was just doing work to analyze everything possible. And the best idea I got for myself its just observation!! So,of course i noticed with help of software that most of the draws falls for example in Multi Match from 141-150, and because I never worked with the sums before I thought it would be good idea to see all the combinations for it and go from there by positions. Now , i just want to add. I think for each person things work differently..Meaning, some people do good in calculations, and I think I do better in observations.. So its important for me to actually see all this draw and then may be to apply the methods ..

So I hope I made a sense.. Hew!..There is probably many people do stuff like that already, but I thought I want to explain where I came from with this sum thingy..

Thanks again for help!! I hope everyone will win one day!!!!!!!!

Don't ever grow up, it's a trap!

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So, I want to kind of confess what I am doing, if I would even able to explain it..LOL.. I have been playing for a while Multi Match, Mega, Power B..for about 6 month and I always get, I am saying consistently, 2 or 3 numbers.. In Multi Match up to 4 often, but I did not get 5  or 6 yet.. And Powerball and Mega 2 to 3.. Ok. May be 4 to 5 times just 1 number..I do not focus so much on the mega or power balls, just more match 5 or match 6 in Multi. So I was basically using couple software's . My concept is to filter what #s probably would not be drawn 60% of the time, at list 60%. I am not sure I reach that point yet..  You know how many times we buying Q picks it could be even 5 combinations and more and non of the numbers in Qp would be in the future draw? So, I am using little bit of everything, little math, some stuff from software, even crazy things like I know, that number that represent the date of the draw will probably not drawn in 70% (approximate) of the time..I dont have any system of mine to share, I was just doing work to analyze everything possible. And the best idea I got for myself its just observation!! So,of course i noticed with help of software that most of the draws falls for example in Multi Match from 141-150, and because I never worked with the sums before I thought it would be good idea to see all the combinations for it and go from there by positions. Now , i just want to add. I think for each person things work differently..Meaning, some people do good in calculations, and I think I do better in observations.. So its important for me to actually see all this draw and then may be to apply the methods ..

So I hope I made a sense.. Hew!..There is probably many people do stuff like that already, but I thought I want to explain where I came from with this sum thingy..

Thanks again for help!! I hope everyone will win one day!!!!!!!!

You made perfect sense! We're like kittens with a ball of yarn on these things. We love the mess we make.

Which means this time I did not add the Mega ball in the sum. Just finished running it again.

Without the Mega ball.....

658853 is my final answer. The Excel file is 21megs starting at 1 2 3 60 75.

Probably shave a couple of megs off by deleting the sum (141) column.

I'm tired and I didn't do anything but watch!!!!!

G

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You made perfect sense! We're like kittens with a ball of yarn on these things. We love the mess we make.

Which means this time I did not add the Mega ball in the sum. Just finished running it again.

Without the Mega ball.....

658853 is my final answer. The Excel file is 21megs starting at 1 2 3 60 75.

Probably shave a couple of megs off by deleting the sum (141) column.

I'm tired and I didn't do anything but watch!!!!!

G

Hi and thanks for your help and understanding, I really appreciated. I actually gave sum 141 as a example , its actually more good for Multi Match, sorry, if I wasn't clear.. but anyway Thank you so much!!!!

Don't ever grow up, it's a trap!

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Hi and thanks for your help and understanding, I really appreciated. I actually gave sum 141 as a example , its actually more good for Multi Match, sorry, if I wasn't clear.. but anyway Thank you so much!!!!

Would have like to see everyone come up with an identical definitive answer.

Thought I could resolve the differences by searching the internet. But even Ian Saliu's site shows a total for 141, using the Megaball as part of the sum, at 1094191.

We all know there is only one answer and I'm curious to know what it is.

G

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So, I want to kind of confess what I am doing, if I would even able to explain it..LOL.. I have been playing for a while Multi Match, Mega, Power B..for about 6 month and I always get, I am saying consistently, 2 or 3 numbers.. In Multi Match up to 4 often, but I did not get 5  or 6 yet.. And Powerball and Mega 2 to 3.. Ok. May be 4 to 5 times just 1 number..I do not focus so much on the mega or power balls, just more match 5 or match 6 in Multi. So I was basically using couple software's . My concept is to filter what #s probably would not be drawn 60% of the time, at list 60%. I am not sure I reach that point yet..  You know how many times we buying Q picks it could be even 5 combinations and more and non of the numbers in Qp would be in the future draw? So, I am using little bit of everything, little math, some stuff from software, even crazy things like I know, that number that represent the date of the draw will probably not drawn in 70% (approximate) of the time..I dont have any system of mine to share, I was just doing work to analyze everything possible. And the best idea I got for myself its just observation!! So,of course i noticed with help of software that most of the draws falls for example in Multi Match from 141-150, and because I never worked with the sums before I thought it would be good idea to see all the combinations for it and go from there by positions. Now , i just want to add. I think for each person things work differently..Meaning, some people do good in calculations, and I think I do better in observations.. So its important for me to actually see all this draw and then may be to apply the methods ..

So I hope I made a sense.. Hew!..There is probably many people do stuff like that already, but I thought I want to explain where I came from with this sum thingy..

Thanks again for help!! I hope everyone will win one day!!!!!!!!

See this thread, and this   File, it may help. Most x/n games are draws without replacement, so I don't think positions are

relevant. Using the  sum range 141-150 for example, how do you figure the exact sum in that range for your next draw?

Triggers should give a very restrictive  '  SUMS interval'- This is just  an ideal!

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See this thread, and this   File, it may help. Most x/n games are draws without replacement, so I don't think positions are

relevant. Using the  sum range 141-150 for example, how do you figure the exact sum in that range for your next draw?

Triggers should give a very restrictive  '  SUMS interval'- This is just  an ideal!

Thank you adobea78, I will check it out. As I mentioned before I am new to using sums. I just had an idea.. I have a software where I am looking at the sums range ..Yes of course I will not know exactly which sum will hit for sure its all about what sum will not going to hit or what numbers probably will not come up.. and exc..

Thanks..

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I wrote a program that doesn't include the megaball (i.e. it will calculate all the combos from 5/75 matrix that have sum 141)

It found 86,961 combos in 14 seconds.  I guess you could multiply that number by number of megaballs to get the total combinations.

If interested here is link to .cpp source code.

Source code

It is a general purpose program you can use it for any game matrix and not just MegaMillions.

From a command prompt you would type the following:

GenSumCombos 5 75 141 > output.csv

Jimmy

JIM YOU WIN!

You and the farm sever are RIGHT!

Here's the reason:

There are only 17259390 different permutations of a 1-75 game NOT counting the Megaball.

If you attempt to calculate these, even when you don't use the Megaball in the SUM, you are going to get 14 counts of each permutation.

EXCELLENT PROGRAMMING JIM!

Now I want MY VERY OWN SERVER FARM. And farmers to run it.

G

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JIM YOU WIN!

You and the farm sever are RIGHT!

Here's the reason:

There are only 17259390 different permutations of a 1-75 game NOT counting the Megaball.

If you attempt to calculate these, even when you don't use the Megaball in the SUM, you are going to get 14 counts of each permutation.

EXCELLENT PROGRAMMING JIM!

Now I want MY VERY OWN SERVER FARM. And farmers to run it.

G

Just curiosity, is permutation relevant in a game of ' draws without replacement'?

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So, I want to kind of confess what I am doing, if I would even able to explain it..LOL.. I have been playing for a while Multi Match, Mega, Power B..for about 6 month and I always get, I am saying consistently, 2 or 3 numbers.. In Multi Match up to 4 often, but I did not get 5  or 6 yet.. And Powerball and Mega 2 to 3.. Ok. May be 4 to 5 times just 1 number..I do not focus so much on the mega or power balls, just more match 5 or match 6 in Multi. So I was basically using couple software's . My concept is to filter what #s probably would not be drawn 60% of the time, at list 60%. I am not sure I reach that point yet..  You know how many times we buying Q picks it could be even 5 combinations and more and non of the numbers in Qp would be in the future draw? So, I am using little bit of everything, little math, some stuff from software, even crazy things like I know, that number that represent the date of the draw will probably not drawn in 70% (approximate) of the time..I dont have any system of mine to share, I was just doing work to analyze everything possible. And the best idea I got for myself its just observation!! So,of course i noticed with help of software that most of the draws falls for example in Multi Match from 141-150, and because I never worked with the sums before I thought it would be good idea to see all the combinations for it and go from there by positions. Now , i just want to add. I think for each person things work differently..Meaning, some people do good in calculations, and I think I do better in observations.. So its important for me to actually see all this draw and then may be to apply the methods ..

So I hope I made a sense.. Hew!..There is probably many people do stuff like that already, but I thought I want to explain where I came from with this sum thingy..

Thanks again for help!! I hope everyone will win one day!!!!!!!!

Take the matrix 5/75(or any matrix) with the sum range  15-365,  simulate or randomize the sum range 15-365 and sample the rate of occurrence of each sum. Filter out  the rate of occurrence for sum range 141-150, basically, 141-151 becomes a subset of the larger range 15-365.

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Just curiosity, is permutation relevant in a game of ' draws without replacement'?

Missing any point you're trying to make.

The lottery commission printed playslips that prevent anyone from trying to make this a "draw with replacement" game. You can't even get to the counter with two of the same  number marked in a single block of the playslip. The same number in a single block does not exist. Machine wouldn't read it even if you could try.

For all practical purposes and intents, the lottery commission ended that idea by putting only ONE of each number in any single block on the playslip.

And it would be rather silly to go to the counter and ask for a QP with three 37s in the same line knowing, 1) you won't get it and, 2) there is only one 37 to be drawn.

As your subset idea, the question is so what? In any way, shape, form, or manner you slice the matrix, you are dealing with a subset.

So what's you point?

So what's you point?

G

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Gary

There are 17259390 combinations but many more permutations.  It's true that it does not matter

which order / position the balls are drawn in but if it did then 5-75= 2,071,126,800 permutations.

Hate to play that game.

RL

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Missing any point you're trying to make.

The lottery commission printed playslips that prevent anyone from trying to make this a "draw with replacement" game. You can't even get to the counter with two of the same  number marked in a single block of the playslip. The same number in a single block does not exist. Machine wouldn't read it even if you could try.

For all practical purposes and intents, the lottery commission ended that idea by putting only ONE of each number in any single block on the playslip.

And it would be rather silly to go to the counter and ask for a QP with three 37s in the same line knowing, 1) you won't get it and, 2) there is only one 37 to be drawn.

As your subset idea, the question is so what? In any way, shape, form, or manner you slice the matrix, you are dealing with a subset.

So what's you point?

So what's you point?

G

I did ask a simple question, why this anger? You can just ignore without response if you think my quest is silly.

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Gary

There are 17259390 combinations but many more permutations.  It's true that it does not matter

which order / position the balls are drawn in but if it did then 5-75= 2,071,126,800 permutations.

Hate to play that game.

RL

RL, EXACTLY why it was a hard one to answer.

When I ran sums with and without the Megaball side by side, 14 sums of 15 kept coming up without the Megaball and one with.

So to check the programming, I asked it to print those 14 sums of 15. It said:

1 2 3 4 5

1 2 3 4 5

1 2 3 4 5

1 2 3 4 5

1 2 3 4 5, etc

Proved one thing to me. Don't write something on the fly thinking it will work without testing it. LMAO

Hats off to Jim. Guess he claims title of "King of This Thread."

G

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I did ask a simple question, why this anger? You can just ignore without response if you think my quest is silly.

Anger? No puzzled.

I see no purpose in considering or explaining how a draw without replacement affects anything here. All jackpot games are draws without replacements.

I may have been pointed in showing it has been precluded by the rules of the game, but I thought it was silly to pose doing what can't be done under any condition.

It was just a straight up question asking, "What is the point of considering something that can't be done?"