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# Reducing number pool size without eliminating winning numbers

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mid-Ohio
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 Posted: November 24, 2014, 11:03 am - IP Logged

Ah!  I should have mentioned that the bonus number is included -- so really only the 4 match and up would win any money.

In Ohio, match3 and up pays and in Indiana's Lotto(6/48) match2 earns a free ticket.

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If you want to play all the numbers but also limit the pool size BobP had an idea, and I use it also. Basically eliminate the 6 numbers that were drawn in the last drawing. Obviously there will be a repeat occasionally, but many times there will not be a repeat. This eliminates millions of combinations. Also, for me, I will leave out numbers 50-54 along with the last 6 drawn, leaving 43 numbers to play. When those conditions are met, the odds go from 1 in 25,827,165 to 1 in 6,096,454. That's over 19 million combinations off the table.

Using those same 1208 drawings I used in my earlier post, the number of matches from the previous drawing was as follows:

match 1 = 498  41%
match 2 = 153  13%
match 3 = 25      2%
total      = 676   56%

match 0 = 532   44%

I think what has happen before it most likely to happen again.

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And how many draws back do you suggest to wheel?  What kind of wheel and how many numbers?

Well for me, I never use a wheel. I just play the numbers randomly. But I don't always play all the numbers. Most times I play 2 lines.

To reduce the matrix just leave out the numbers that were drawn in the last drawing. Then if you want to take it a step further, leave out a decade of numbers that you think won't have any numbers drawn from. I like to leave out the 50's because there are only 5 of them in the Lotto.

I play all the jackpot games and Daily 4 and occasionally All or Nothing. So it's hard for me to spend more than a couple bucks on any one game even though I can afford it.

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Well for me, I never use a wheel. I just play the numbers randomly. But I don't always play all the numbers. Most times I play 2 lines.

To reduce the matrix just leave out the numbers that were drawn in the last drawing. Then if you want to take it a step further, leave out a decade of numbers that you think won't have any numbers drawn from. I like to leave out the 50's because there are only 5 of them in the Lotto.

I play all the jackpot games and Daily 4 and occasionally All or Nothing. So it's hard for me to spend more than a couple bucks on any one game even though I can afford it.

Well for me, I never use a wheel.

I think wheeling is over rated.  If you have all the winning numbers in a small group of number it's hard not to come up with a combination that's going to win something.  Besides, unless you're willing to spend a small fortune wheeling only guarantees a minimum win at best.

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Well for me, I never use a wheel.

I think wheeling is over rated.  If you have all the winning numbers in a small group of number it's hard not to come up with a combination that's going to win something.  Besides, unless you're willing to spend a small fortune wheeling only guarantees a minimum win at best.

Most people expect to get more out of a wheel than it's designed to do and are disappointed when it meets the guarantee. I was spending my jackpot winnings when I matched all five numbers playing a 3 if 5 wheel, but I only got one three number match. Wheels like 3 if 3 and 3 if 4 do have the potential to do better than the guranatee, but doesn't guarantee a jackpot.

To put it into better perspective, a 3 if 5 of 16 number wheel has one three number match out of 550. which is not near enough coverage to expect a five number match.

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 Posted: November 27, 2014, 7:05 am - IP Logged

I'm kinda getting my head around all this mathematics :) I've just been doing quick picks or my lucky numbers. Looks like I have some more to learn about picking numbers in the best way.

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The most important thing a player can do to win a lottery is play the winning numbers but playing all the possible numbers make that almost impossible with an affordable amount of combinations.  To solve that problem players reduce the number pool size but risk removing the winning numbers.

One of the best way I've found to do this is to limit the pool size to limit number selection to a fixed amount of previous drawings.  You will not only have a smaller pool of numbers but 80% of the time will have at least three of the winning numbers and all the winning numbers about 10% of the time.  Best of all these numbers can be covered in 10 lines or less with good number management that avoid repeating past winners.

DITTO.

That's what I am doing right now.I filter from more than 20 numbers down to 10 numbers.

80% of time I have 3 or 4 winning numbers in 10 numbers,but the input data has more than 20 numbers.

Almost 50%-65% more tickets are match2 in my final 19 tickets ,sIndiana's Lotto(6/48) could be a good choice as a match2 is paid out.

so the best way to play lottery could be:someone played a bunch of lines with all winning numbers covered,and after reducing to a limited 10 numbers pool,at least 3 or more winning numbers are within so to make a profit,and when 10% less times 5 or 6 winning numbers are filtered to 10 numbers,usually less than 20 lines would be good enough to catch a match5 and a high chance of jackpot.

or the better ,one ticket is enough by picking first 6 numbers among 10 numbers.

when 3 winning numbers are in this only one ticket,by 19 times play you still earn something,and by 19 times play one match4 ticket,you would earn thousands.

match2 prediction reference http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/273315/7

Wednesday, November 26, 2014
3 5 16 31 36 40

Atlantic 649 Lottery prediction for Sat, Nov 26, 2014

12 Numbers have 2 winning numbers

03* 45 20 31* 26 32 37 07 38 25 13 24

16 tickets have 10 match2. 62.5% tickets are match2 times.

03 45 25 20 26 32
03 45 20 31 26 32
03 25 31 32 37 07
03 25 20 31 26 37
03 25 20 31 26 32
03 45 20 31 32 07
03 45 20 31 32 37
45 25 20 31 26 32
03 45 20 26 37 07
03 45 20 31 37 07
03 45 25 32 37 07
03 25 20 31 26 32
03 45 25 20 37 07
03 45 25 20 32 37
03 25 20 31 26 37
45 31 26 32 37 07

Hans

Saturday, November 22, 2014
5 8 11 23 30 33

Atlantic 649 Lottery prediction for Sat, Nov 22, 2014

9 Numbers have 2 winning numbers
40 32 11* 42 05* 34 27 44 49

16 tickets have 8 match2. 50% of the tickers are match2 tickets

40 32 11* 05* 34 27 match2
40 32 11* 05* 34 44 match2
40 32 42 11 34 44
40 32 11* 05* 34 44 match2
40 42 11* 05* 44 49 match2
40 32 42 05* 34 27
40 42 11* 05* 34 44 match2
40 32 11* 44 27 49
40 32 11* 34 27 49
40 42 11* 05* 27 49 match2
32 42 05* 34 44 27
40 32 42 11* 34 27
32 42 11* 05* 34 49 match2
40 32 11 *05* 44 27 match2
40 32 42 11* 44 27
40 32 34 44 27 49

Hans

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 Posted: November 28, 2014, 2:44 am - IP Logged

Most people expect to get more out of a wheel than it's designed to do and are disappointed when it meets the guarantee. I was spending my jackpot winnings when I matched all five numbers playing a 3 if 5 wheel, but I only got one three number match. Wheels like 3 if 3 and 3 if 4 do have the potential to do better than the guranatee, but doesn't guarantee a jackpot.

To put it into better perspective, a 3 if 5 of 16 number wheel has one three number match out of 550. which is not near enough coverage to expect a five number match.

I used to play 16 numbers but the wheel often miss match5 even if 6 winning numbers are in 16 numbers,so now I reduce 16 numbers to 10 numbers and play 19 tickets.50%-65% match2 in 19 tickets when 2 winning numbers are in 10 numbers,and 16%-27% match3 in 18 tickets when 3 winning numbers are in 10 numbers,and 1 match4,and 33% match3 in 18 tickets when 4 winning numbers are in 10 numbers.

Tuesday, November 25, 2014
8 11 13 15 21 24

12 numbers have 4 winning numbers

10 04 12 08* 25 21* 18 15* 24* 19 16 23

16 tickets have one match4 and 6 match3

prize ratio=(10+6)/16=100%

10 04 12 25 15* 21*
10 04 12 08* 25 15*
10 24* 08* 18 15* 21* match4
10 12 08* 18 25 15*
10 24* 12 08* 25 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 08* 15* match3
10 04 24* 12 08* 18
04 24* 12 08* 25 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 18 25
10 04 24* 12 08* 18
10 04 24* 18 15* 21* match3
10 12 08* 25 15* 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 18 15*
10 04 24* 12 18 21*
10 24* 12 08* 18 25
04 24* 08* 18 25 15* match3

Thursday, November 27, 2014
1 3 6 8 9 23

West Virginia Cash 25 prediction for Thu, Nov 27, 2014

input

01 02 09 11 19 23 01 03 04 15 20 24 01 03 05 18 19 21 01 06 07 11 16 17 01 06 10 13 14 22 01 08 12 20 21 25 02 03 07 08 14 18 02 04 06 10 12 18 02 04
13 16 19 25 02 05 12 17 20 22 02 10 15 16 21 24 03 05 12 16 22 23 03 06 11 13 20 21 03 09 10 17 19 25 04 05 08 10 11 16 04 07 09 15 21 22 04 14 17 21
23 24 05 06 14 15 23 25 05 07 09 12 13 24 06 08 09 19 22 24

10 NUMBERS have 3 winning numbers

23* 10 02 22 03* 13 14 11 01* 15

18 TICKETS have 3 match3

23* 03* 13 10 02 11
23* 03* 13 10 02 22
23* 13 22 14 11 01*
23* 03* 02 22 14 11
23* 03* 13 02 22 01* match3
23* 13 10 02 22 11
23* 13 10 02 22 14
03* 13 10 02 22 01*

23 *13 02 14 11 01*
23* 03* 13 14 11 01*match3
23* 03* 13 02 22 14
23* 03* 10 22 14 11
03* 13 02 14 11 01*
23* 03* 10 02 22 14
13 02 22 14 11 01*
23* 03* 10 22 11 01* match3
23* 13 10 02 22 11
03* 13 10 22 14 11

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Additional info on the predicting 12 or 16 numbers

so get to the point,the best way is by still filtering bunch of lines with all winning numbers down to very limited pool of numbers,let's say 12 numbers or 16 numbers,so that when at least 3 or more winning numbers fall within,the tickets shall at least return something.

I have been predicting in this way for less than 10 drawings,and I get one match4 for a 6/25 lottery,and some match3.Most of the time only match2s.

We must not forget that by playing more numbers,the winning numbers are less likely to be wheeled into one ticket.

Either applying more accurate filters to all combinations,or reducing numbers.

There is some way to draw against lottery without loss,but to get a jackpot,it still needs a lot of luck.

Reference

predicting 16 numbers

Hot Lotto prediction for Sat, Nov 29, 2014

last digits prediction:3 6* 8* 7 2* 1 9* 4

8 last digits have 4 winning digits.

16 Numbers have 3 winning numbers 08 36 42

06 18 23 03 16 38 36* 22 08* 32 12 42* 01 29 09 39 44

13 tickets have one match3 and one 1+1,adding 01 to 13 as bonus ball to each ticket from top to bottom

prize ratio:9/13=69.23%

06 12 42* 01 29
06 16 18 32 29
03 18 38 08* 12
23 36* 38 22 42*
03 18 22 32 12
16 18 08* 22 01
23 16 38 32 12
03 06 16 12 01
06 36* 22 32 01
23 18 38 08* 01 +10 1+1
16 36* 08* 42* 01  match3(3+0)
23 36* 18 22 12
23 03 08* 32 01

predicting 12 numbers

Tuesday, November 25, 2014
8 11 13 15 21 24

12 numbers have 4 winning numbers

10 04 12 08* 25 21* 18 15* 24* 19 16 23

16 tickets have one match4 and 6 match3

prize ratio=(10+6)/16=100%

10 04 12 25 15* 21*
10 04 12 08* 25 15*
10 24* 08* 18 15* 21* match4
10 12 08* 18 25 15*
10 24* 12 08* 25 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 08* 15* match3
10 04 24* 12 08* 18
04 24* 12 08* 25 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 18 25
10 04 24* 12 08* 18
10 04 24* 18 15* 21* match3
10 12 08* 25 15* 21* match3
10 04 24* 12 18 15*
10 04 24* 12 18 21*
10 24* 12 08* 18 25
04 24* 08* 18 25 15* match3