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# Why are the Systems failing?

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This is a summary of different cycles of randomized P3 and P4 members, study it and used it for your picks.

 6 7 8 0 3 1 4 5 9 2 4 3 2 6 9 1 0 7 5 8 7 9 1 6 3 4 0 8 2 5 9 7 4 3 0 8 6 5 1 2 2 6 3 5 7 4 9 1 0 8 7 1 2 4 8 6 0 5 9 3

OH> workout

Fri, Dec 5, 2014 Thu, Dec 4, 2014 Wed, Dec 3, 2014 Tue, Dec 2, 2014 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 0-4-6 2-1-5 7-5-4-1 9-6-7-3 0-1-8 4-6-4 8-9-0-6 0-2-0-3 2-0-4 4-6-4 7-4-2-2 7-2-3-8 1-6-6 6-6-7 0-0-0-1 7-9-7-3 4-9-5 4-2-7 8-9-8-8 5-2-6-1 7-4-0 0-8-9 6-7-8-8 3-9-3-4 6-3-0 9-5-8 6-0-0-1 4-3-7-3 1-4-5 6-5-1 2-8-6-5 6-1-8-7 8-0-1 7-7-9 1-5-9-9 9-4-5-0 3-3-1 8-8-7 4-9-0-7 7-4-9-1

1.You assume  a draw is a POINT with a DATA on a WAVE

2.The DATA  has x members ( 3 digits for P3)

3.Current members (draw set) has Known Identities, eg draw 331 has ids 3,3,1

Assumption from the chart

Take the draw 331,  locate 3  and write down the digit after 3, which is 1 and 2, do the same for 1>4,0

 6 7 8 0 3 1 4 5 9 2 4 3 2 6 9 1 0 7 5 8

Now you have current draw 331  predicting 1-2-40> 124-240- or base pairs 12-14-10-24-20

887> from chart 8 recurs to 0 and 7 to 8 or 5

887> 0-0-8 or 0-0-5> pairs 00-08> hit 089

801> 0-3-4 or 0-3-0> 03-04-34 or 03-00-30> hit 630, 204

779> 8-8-2 or 8-5-2> 88-82- or 85-82-52> hit 958

145

651

complete  draws 145, 165 for any suggestions, good luck

So, what is the significant of the digits in the summary? What are the cycles you're referring to?

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If the pick 3 and 4 lottery could be beaten consistently it would be shut down as we all know. The money coming in has to be greater than the money being paid out. It's kinda like a casino. The house always has the edge. In my opinion systems will always fail you sooner or later because the game trends and changes all the time. The pattern the numbers fall in one month will go a whole new direction the next month.

If the pick 3 and 4 lottery could be beaten consistently it would be shut down as we all know.

True, only if 'too many' people were winning and it went viral so to speak. A small percentage of consistent winners spread abroad isn't going to affect anything because the number of losers still HEAVILY OUTWEIGHS that percentage of winners. It's all in the numbers and it's why anyone winning with consistency and making money isn't going to talk. You hit the nail on the head in sentence #2 and #3.

In my opinion systems will always fail you sooner or later because the game trends and changes all the time.

I beg to respectfully differ. The reason why is because nothing actually changes...because the same draw methods are being used along with the same 0-9 matrix of numbers. Even when they swap out the ball sets, every single thing remains the same...what's happening now and what's happened before are one in the same. Nothing is new in this game and there are no surprises...and I say that with certainty. No system is going to work every single time on every single draw no matter what. However, a system that's tuned correctly can be very consistent and yield high hit ratios while being able to absorb losses and only 'giving back' only a small portion of the player's winnings...while still being ahead. This is the idea to shoot for, in my opinion, because a player will have to lose but, minimizing those losses while retaining most of the winnings is where it's at. A lot goes into this.

L.L.

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

#lotto-4-a-living

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If the pick 3 and 4 lottery could be beaten consistently it would be shut down as we all know. The money coming in has to be greater than the money being paid out. It's kinda like a casino. The house always has the edge. In my opinion systems will always fail you sooner or later because the game trends and changes all the time. The pattern the numbers fall in one month will go a whole new direction the next month.

That's true for any lottery game even the pick5's and 6's.  Even if a lottery was making a profit and a few players could consistently make a profit playing one of their games, they would shut it down because other players would be pissed.  Just look at what happened in Massachusetts when it became known a Michigan couple were coming to their state regularly to spend \$300K playing their WindFall game when it rolled back and making a profit.

Even if someone knew how to beat a game, it would be foolish of them to tell and even more foolish of someone else to ask and expect an honest answer.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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The vast majority of systems fail because they suck !

The few who know what systems work on a somewhat regular basis ain't talkin'. So unless you get lucky knowing someone who's figured it out, you have to pull yourself up by your boot straps and tackle it yourself. Only time, patience, and rigorous testing is the best way to attempt this feat.

The vast majority of systems fail because they suck !

Not so sure about them being 'suckey', but rather that  they're being improperly implemented. Then, there are some who feel that 5-10 combos is suppose to get the job done with no effort what so ever...consistently.

The few who know what systems work on a somewhat regular basis ain't talkin'...you have to pull yourself up by your boot straps and tackle it yourself.

It's hard, but it's fair. No one's gonna just give up the goods on how they win and are successful knowing it will screw up their good thing in the bigger scheme of things.

time, patience, testing

...and lots of all three.

L.L.

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

#lotto-4-a-living

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That's true for any lottery game even the pick5's and 6's.  Even if a lottery was making a profit and a few players could consistently make a profit playing one of their games, they would shut it down because other players would be pissed.  Just look at what happened in Massachusetts when it became known a Michigan couple were coming to their state regularly to spend \$300K playing their WindFall game when it rolled back and making a profit.

Even if someone knew how to beat a game, it would be foolish of them to tell and even more foolish of someone else to ask and expect an honest answer.

they would shut it down because other players would be pissed.  Just look at what happened in Massachusetts when it became known a Michigan couple were coming to their state regularly to spend \$300K playing their WindFall game when it rolled back and making a profit.

Not necessarily and I say this for one main reason...the amount of money being spent and prize being won. Of course, any state would put limits and/or shut down a person or people that have mastered how to profit MILLIONS per shot of playing. The state is LOSING MILLIONS on every shot and that's alarming for everyone. If that couple would've been a little smarter on how they went about it, they could've simply won once or twice per year with the amount of profits they turned. At least this way, they may have delayed the red flags of frequency with that kind of money involved. The last article regarding this was how Kentucky was keeping an eye on winners, I believe, and this was dealing with the smaller games. Paying out \$500-\$600 per each win is very, very different than paying out millions per win...per player every time. I'm sure you feel differently but, I'm only going by what I know personally.

A casino could care less about a player winning a few hundred even a couple of thousand or so here and there. It's those consistent hundreds of thousands or millions that get's the dogs barking and any smart gambler/casino person knows that. I know an Asian lady, personally, that goes to L' Auberge in Lake Charles and wins randomly in \$6-\$8K+ amounts with no issues. It costs her to win this money and her profits are pretty decent. It's not all about what you do do, but also HOW.

L.L.

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

#lotto-4-a-living

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they would shut it down because other players would be pissed.  Just look at what happened in Massachusetts when it became known a Michigan couple were coming to their state regularly to spend \$300K playing their WindFall game when it rolled back and making a profit.

Not necessarily and I say this for one main reason...the amount of money being spent and prize being won. Of course, any state would put limits and/or shut down a person or people that have mastered how to profit MILLIONS per shot of playing. The state is LOSING MILLIONS on every shot and that's alarming for everyone. If that couple would've been a little smarter on how they went about it, they could've simply won once or twice per year with the amount of profits they turned. At least this way, they may have delayed the red flags of frequency with that kind of money involved. The last article regarding this was how Kentucky was keeping an eye on winners, I believe, and this was dealing with the smaller games. Paying out \$500-\$600 per each win is very, very different than paying out millions per win...per player every time. I'm sure you feel differently but, I'm only going by what I know personally.

A casino could care less about a player winning a few hundred even a couple of thousand or so here and there. It's those consistent hundreds of thousands or millions that get's the dogs barking and any smart gambler/casino person knows that. I know an Asian lady, personally, that goes to L' Auberge in Lake Charles and wins randomly in \$6-\$8K+ amounts with no issues. It costs her to win this money and her profits are pretty decent. It's not all about what you do do, but also HOW.

L.L.

"Not necessarily and I say this for one main reason...the amount of money being spent and prize being won. Of course, any state would put limits and/or shut down a person or people that have mastered how to profit MILLIONS per shot of playing."

The thing is this couple wasn't making millions, just making a profit worthy of the time and money they spent.  Eve when a player beat the odds by 500%, the payouts are designed such that he loses money.  For example in a local game "Ohio Classic Lotto" the odds of matching 3 are 1:57 and only pays \$2.  To break even on that \$2 prize you would have to beat those odds by 57/2 or 2850%.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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"Not necessarily and I say this for one main reason...the amount of money being spent and prize being won. Of course, any state would put limits and/or shut down a person or people that have mastered how to profit MILLIONS per shot of playing."

The thing is this couple wasn't making millions, just making a profit worthy of the time and money they spent.  Eve when a player beat the odds by 500%, the payouts are designed such that he loses money.  For example in a local game "Ohio Classic Lotto" the odds of matching 3 are 1:57 and only pays \$2.  To break even on that \$2 prize you would have to beat those odds by 57/2 or 2850%.

Yes, you are correct. They weren't actually making millions but, I was going by what the state had to pay out in general. Their profits were in the hundreds of thousands and I believe that you and I have discussed how this is possible...IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO IMPLEMENT IT AT THE RIGHT TIME. Timing is every thing, in my personal opinion, along with patience and discipline which I've said many times. Obviously, these folks were on the same page and had the funds to do it. Honestly, I feel that the couple was punished for being very intelligent with math and their approach to the game. It's wasn't like they were going to 'start spreading the news' (know this song?) about how they were going about winning...it was their 'good thing.' But, the state didn't see it that way and had to protect the game's integrity. Sore losers. I provided a link to skim over for those unfamiliar with the deal. I especially like the excerpt included as well because I've said the exact same thing about Pick 3/4 players. Some have figured out how to win while others are funding those that are winning. Sometimes, it's the other way around when those winning have to lose. It has to happen this way, though, because otherwise all that money would just pile up with absolutely no winners. The money must be paid out.

"Cash WinFall isn't being played as a game of chance. Some smart people have figured out how to get rich while everyone else funds their winnings," Mohan Srivastava, an MIT-educated statistician, told The Boston Globe.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/massachusetts_restricts_lottery_tickets_cash_winfall_secret.html

L.L.

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

#lotto-4-a-living

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Even in the smaller games pick 3 and 4 if you had a system that could hit consistently for straight hits each retailer is tracked daily for the amount of winning tickets sold so if lottery headquarters notices a store or several stores with an unusual amount of winning tickets being sold there to me this would raise flags.

I believe it would be wise to jump around to different retailers if you had such a system that hit often, and just think about the retailers seeing you come in on a regular basis to cash in. I wonder how well that would go over.

Here if you hit over \$599 you have to mail your ticket in to claim it. I think the threshold should be at least \$1,000 because very often the prize is over \$599 here for pick 3 straight hits. I want my money then. I hate having to mail it in. I think this is just another way for them to track you.

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