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Posted: March 11, 2015, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

Does anybody know other software like Stonito lotto ( working with AI and NN )? Stonito seems really cool software, but a pit expensive...

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    There is no such thing as AI or NI when it comes to lotteries, anyone saying something different I challenge them to prove it.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: March 11, 2015, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

      Where is Estonia located ??  Is Stonito lotto American lottery software, or European lottery software ???  What is AI & NN ??

      The Lottery Post membership is primarily American. Thus, the LP membership may not be as familiar with European lottery games, and European lottery software.

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        Posted: March 12, 2015, 4:49 am - IP Logged

        Estonia is in Europe. You can adapt Stonito lotto software for any type of lotto all over the world. AI is artificial intelligence and NN stands for neural networks.

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          Posted: March 12, 2015, 6:56 am - IP Logged

          Does anybody know other software like Stonito lotto ( working with AI and NN )? Stonito seems really cool software, but a pit expensive...

          WinHunter was a lottery program that used a form of AI. Don't know if it is still available though . It was a very good program if you took the time to learn it.

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            AI and NN along with many other methods of prediction can be applied to lotteries, just don't expect

            them to work.  I have written at least a dozen of each and the lottery is just too random.   Trying to

            predict the lottery is a waste of time IMHO but that does not mean that we can't play smarter.  Study

            the data and then make your best guess.  Forget the odds, don't apply to much math and trust your

            gut instincts.   AI and NN can be used to make forecast for some events like sales, stocks, profits etc...

            but these events are not based on random.  Math can be used to test the randomness of a game but

            it will never be able to predict random.   If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well.  The

            lottery is a game and should be played as such.   Lot's of good software out there so pick one that

            fits your type of analysis and then take your best shot. 

            RL

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            I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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              Posted: March 12, 2015, 12:01 pm - IP Logged

              AI and NN along with many other methods of prediction can be applied to lotteries, just don't expect

              them to work.  I have written at least a dozen of each and the lottery is just too random.   Trying to

              predict the lottery is a waste of time IMHO but that does not mean that we can't play smarter.  Study

              the data and then make your best guess.  Forget the odds, don't apply to much math and trust your

              gut instincts.   AI and NN can be used to make forecast for some events like sales, stocks, profits etc...

              but these events are not based on random.  Math can be used to test the randomness of a game but

              it will never be able to predict random.   If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well.  The

              lottery is a game and should be played as such.   Lot's of good software out there so pick one that

              fits your type of analysis and then take your best shot. 

              RL

              I Agree!I Agree!

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                Posted: March 12, 2015, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

                AI and NN along with many other methods of prediction can be applied to lotteries, just don't expect

                them to work.  I have written at least a dozen of each and the lottery is just too random.   Trying to

                predict the lottery is a waste of time IMHO but that does not mean that we can't play smarter.  Study

                the data and then make your best guess.  Forget the odds, don't apply to much math and trust your

                gut instincts.   AI and NN can be used to make forecast for some events like sales, stocks, profits etc...

                but these events are not based on random.  Math can be used to test the randomness of a game but

                it will never be able to predict random.   If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well.  The

                lottery is a game and should be played as such.   Lot's of good software out there so pick one that

                fits your type of analysis and then take your best shot. 

                RL

                Amen!!

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                  Posted: March 12, 2015, 1:20 pm - IP Logged

                  Nice answer, thank You!

                  Maybe You can suggest some good software? Something for OS X also. I found so many for windows, but so little for OS.

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                    AI and NN along with many other methods of prediction can be applied to lotteries, just don't expect

                    them to work.  I have written at least a dozen of each and the lottery is just too random.   Trying to

                    predict the lottery is a waste of time IMHO but that does not mean that we can't play smarter.  Study

                    the data and then make your best guess.  Forget the odds, don't apply to much math and trust your

                    gut instincts.   AI and NN can be used to make forecast for some events like sales, stocks, profits etc...

                    but these events are not based on random.  Math can be used to test the randomness of a game but

                    it will never be able to predict random.   If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well.  The

                    lottery is a game and should be played as such.   Lot's of good software out there so pick one that

                    fits your type of analysis and then take your best shot. 

                    RL

                    Well said, I hope this dose of sanity will hit home. The ideal that algorithm  can predict a random event which are mutually exclusive is delusional.

                    If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well. 

                    Statistics and probability are offshoots of the Binomial theory, so why not focus on the underlying concept.

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                      Posted: March 12, 2015, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

                      Forget AI and everything else for now; 'miracles' can be seen with just 64kb if you *really* know how to code.

                      You have the best 'Lottery Library' here on Lottery Post; you'll find anything you might need... just *search*

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                        Posted: March 21, 2015, 5:39 pm - IP Logged

                        Does anybody know other software like Stonito lotto ( working with AI and NN )? Stonito seems really cool software, but a pit expensive...

                        Hi Amanda,

                        Candidly I agree with RJOH, even decent software can help you organize a strategy playing tactics PERIOD

                        Just picture what would happen to Lotteries world wide if any Holy Grail  programmable system could repeatedly WIN. Only the software sellers make money on product sales other wise they would play their own program & not be bothered trying to marketl the stuff that dreams are made of Wink

                        Have a better chance & better off using Eastern European spiritual intuition & meditation

                         

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                          Posted: March 22, 2015, 5:54 am - IP Logged

                          AI and NN along with many other methods of prediction can be applied to lotteries, just don't expect

                          them to work.  I have written at least a dozen of each and the lottery is just too random.   Trying to

                          predict the lottery is a waste of time IMHO but that does not mean that we can't play smarter.  Study

                          the data and then make your best guess.  Forget the odds, don't apply to much math and trust your

                          gut instincts.   AI and NN can be used to make forecast for some events like sales, stocks, profits etc...

                          but these events are not based on random.  Math can be used to test the randomness of a game but

                          it will never be able to predict random.   If you dwell too much on the odds you will not do well.  The

                          lottery is a game and should be played as such.   Lot's of good software out there so pick one that

                          fits your type of analysis and then take your best shot. 

                          RL

                          With wrong tools and wrong assumptions, you'll get that "lottery is just too random". AI, NN, hot/cold/due, skip charts etc and everything that assumes balls have memory are destined to fail as you have discovered. What you say however doesn't prove at all that lotteries are pure random outcomes. It is like trying to extract crude oil using a straw (your tool), obviously you can't but that doesn't mean you can't extract oil in general; you have to use the right tool/approach and understand your data. I have demonstrated by results of my users that official lotteries performed in a barrel are not that random as you imply (and everyone else who say that). I still haven't seen anyone offer proof that lotteries are pure random events, what all you people say is just your belief that it is pure random and those that attempted to predict using faulty approaches (AI, NN etc) conclude faulty results as well.

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                            With wrong tools and wrong assumptions, you'll get that "lottery is just too random". AI, NN, hot/cold/due, skip charts etc and everything that assumes balls have memory are destined to fail as you have discovered. What you say however doesn't prove at all that lotteries are pure random outcomes. It is like trying to extract crude oil using a straw (your tool), obviously you can't but that doesn't mean you can't extract oil in general; you have to use the right tool/approach and understand your data. I have demonstrated by results of my users that official lotteries performed in a barrel are not that random as you imply (and everyone else who say that). I still haven't seen anyone offer proof that lotteries are pure random events, what all you people say is just your belief that it is pure random and those that attempted to predict using faulty approaches (AI, NN etc) conclude faulty results as well.

                            I don't believe the lottery is random. I believe when you do test draws, it throws off all of the static stats, O,E,H,L, even the digits positional. Which are all we have to test.

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                              With wrong tools and wrong assumptions, you'll get that "lottery is just too random". AI, NN, hot/cold/due, skip charts etc and everything that assumes balls have memory are destined to fail as you have discovered. What you say however doesn't prove at all that lotteries are pure random outcomes. It is like trying to extract crude oil using a straw (your tool), obviously you can't but that doesn't mean you can't extract oil in general; you have to use the right tool/approach and understand your data. I have demonstrated by results of my users that official lotteries performed in a barrel are not that random as you imply (and everyone else who say that). I still haven't seen anyone offer proof that lotteries are pure random events, what all you people say is just your belief that it is pure random and those that attempted to predict using faulty approaches (AI, NN etc) conclude faulty results as well.

                              The premise of all lottery matrix is randomness, else the game will be biased. Even if you assume the game is not random, any algorithm you come with will be purely a guess work. 

                              I still haven't seen anyone offer proof that lotteries are pure random events, what all you people say is just your belief that it is pure random and those that attempted to predict using faulty approaches (AI, NN etc) conclude faulty results as well.

                              The keyword to your answer or proof is PREDICTION, am certain of 2+2=4, am certain of the linear equation x=y but am not certain of univariate x assuming different multivariate identities Y1....Yn. The ideal of testing on 'prior' should be questioned, since x and y are mutually exclusive. Let say a new lottery is introduced in your state with the matrix 8/49, how do  wage from the get-go without 'priors'. Lottery is not weather forecasting or  population census.If you think lottery is not random then try " forward-testing' your algorithm instead of 'Back-testing'.