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what basic filters to avoid conflicts in a lottery?

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what basic filters to avoid conflicts in a lottery?

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    I'd use filters without weapons to avoid intercontinental conflicts.

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      I'd use filters without weapons to avoid intercontinental conflicts.

      Hello, the question which the pattern or filter what comes first, what is the basic filter
        The trunk of the tree filter of the decision, the reference base,
        Sergem not mix.

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        Hello, the question which the pattern or filter what comes first, what is the basic filter
          The trunk of the tree filter of the decision, the reference base,
          Sergem not mix.

        Works best when you play a different number in each position in a 6/49. Machine will not take your ticket if you try to play 25 in all positions. Be sure you have 6 different numbers on each line, m'kay?

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          Makes no difference. 

          Optimal strategy is to use the bulk filters that remove the most combinations first.

          If you can do the job with fewer choices, that's the way to go. 

          The minor filters are more ways to lose, use only if you must. 

          Better to stretch the budget for a few bucks if you can avoid using minor filters to grind those over budget lines away.

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            Makes no difference. 

            Optimal strategy is to use the bulk filters that remove the most combinations first.

            If you can do the job with fewer choices, that's the way to go. 

            The minor filters are more ways to lose, use only if you must. 

            Better to stretch the budget for a few bucks if you can avoid using minor filters to grind those over budget lines away.

            BobP

            hello, BOBP perfect, conglatulations , thank you!!

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              I don't think that a certain filter is meant here. There is probability for understanding and maybe using it as guide for filtering.

              There is no loss when you used the correct filter, and the payout was higher than the cost.

              The question should have been, how or when do you use which filter to beat the chances by far more than 200%.
              This is not a personal question, but one or more rules to beat probability.

              If I could do with pick 3 what I did with lotto filters, I would get somewhere, I think.

              Look at my simple automatic picks for pick 3 CA on my website. The amount of wins is more or less probability. It is about timing and when the picks are correct. Playing all of them with correct timing will pay a net win. Playing constantly will force you to reduce the selection to cover previous losses.

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                Hello, sergem, thank you, the solar system has a central point the sun, the tree has a main trunk, the animals have the backbone, etc. etc .. Now in lottery, not circling, we can filter master to be the previous filter, patterns and filters
                What comes before basic patterns, or filters ???

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                  Each filter affects the performance of the next by removing some of the combinations the next filter would have eliminated, diminishing return.

                  The strongest filter in the sense of least risk most accomplished combination removal wise would be the decision not to play any of the winning numbers from the previous draw. 

                  In Pick-6/49 this decision is correct about 45% of the time and removes about 7.88 million combinations from play. Compare to 33% for first use of 3/3 odd even low high.  Of course removing any 6 numbers from consideration will have the same result when correct and make it impossible to win a jackpot when wrong.


                  Turns a 6/49 game into a 6/43 Game

                  6/49 = 1 in 13,983,816

                  6/43 = 1 in  6,096,454

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                    Hello, perfect BOBP ok, silly, then very difficult to beat the odds
                    It has the standard precedent filter out 75% to 80% of the time, but this has to play various draws, followed filter to play in 5,10,20 sweepstakes, so the adjustment will come in.
                    The last draw can be a reference to the next delete we also have columns (positions) .as the DNA genetic code, BOBP, we could create one basic pattern divided into two = 8/2

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                      BOBP how can you know the limit of each filter for interfering in the other?

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                        Each filter affects the performance of the next by removing some of the combinations the next filter would have eliminated, diminishing return.

                        The strongest filter in the sense of least risk most accomplished combination removal wise would be the decision not to play any of the winning numbers from the previous draw. 

                        In Pick-6/49 this decision is correct about 45% of the time and removes about 7.88 million combinations from play. Compare to 33% for first use of 3/3 odd even low high.  Of course removing any 6 numbers from consideration will have the same result when correct and make it impossible to win a jackpot when wrong.


                        Turns a 6/49 game into a 6/43 Game

                        6/49 = 1 in 13,983,816

                        6/43 = 1 in  6,096,454

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                        Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) has had 1355 drawings and no combinations of six has ever repeated but removing those combinations from the mix would only reduce the 13,983,816 possible combinations by 1355 less than 1%.  Combinations of fives have repeated 16 times so removing any combinations that have matched five might be even better and only a small risk of removing a winner.

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                          A key number can be used, with 6/45 your have 1/8th of all combinations left. Getting two key numbers right you can wheel with all the other numbers. The hardest filter is the key number. Playing is a risking. Dry games are a waste of time, eventually missing your luck for the real drawing. You cannot live with that.

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                            Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) has had 1355 drawings and no combinations of six has ever repeated but removing those combinations from the mix would only reduce the 13,983,816 possible combinations by 1355 less than 1%.  Combinations of fives have repeated 16 times so removing any combinations that have matched five might be even better and only a small risk of removing a winner.

                            Sorry RJOh I didn't explain it well enough.   In 6/49 each previous draw consists of 6 unique numbers.  If we ignore those 6 numbers from the previous draw, (we're talking just those six not all past winning draws) not including them in our next draw's play, on the days this strategy proves correct 45% of the time we do indeed get the reduction. 

                            Most filtering software includes this filter asking how many numbers from the previous draw among the lines, (most would pick one because the odds are 1 in 8 one number from the previous draw will appear in the next) instead select 0, be correct 45% of the time and drop the game size from 6/49 to 6/43 on those days.

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                              Sorry RJOh I didn't explain it well enough.   In 6/49 each previous draw consists of 6 unique numbers.  If we ignore those 6 numbers from the previous draw, (we're talking just those six not all past winning draws) not including them in our next draw's play, on the days this strategy proves correct 45% of the time we do indeed get the reduction. 

                              Most filtering software includes this filter asking how many numbers from the previous draw among the lines, (most would pick one because the odds are 1 in 8 one number from the previous draw will appear in the next) instead select 0, be correct 45% of the time and drop the game size from 6/49 to 6/43 on those days.

                              BobP

                              You're right of the 1355 OCL drawings 601 had no numbers from the previous drawing, that's 44.4%.  557 had one, 170 had two and 3 had 26.  The percentages are even better for games with larger matrix, for PB it's 59%.

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