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Why does it have to be so impossible to win the lottery?

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Posted: September 27, 2015, 7:43 am - IP Logged

Hi everyone,

i have been coming to this site for a long time and appreciate all of Todd's hard work in creating a site like this and how hard it must be to maintain this site daily.  Why does the lottery need to continue to change the matrix on games like MM and soon PB? It was already impossible to win the jackpot and even impossible to win the second prize. Before the matrix change I played MM more but having to get 5 numbers out of 75 numbers makes it truly impossible to get a second place prize. I never really expected to hit the main jackpot and was always striving for the 2nd place prize on MM and PB but making the game impossible for myself and everyone else just seems so unfair. The lottery is all about keeping revenues and not about being fair to players. Realize no one is making us play but why can't the odds be better for more people to have a chance to win the 2nd prize on PB and MM. It's not just draw games but scratchers too. Even though I've stayed on budget, the times through the years that I played scratchers, the most I won was 200 dollars on a ticket. More losers than winners and even a win would most likely just be the price I paid for that ticket. Would it really hurt the lottery if they were more fair to it's players? The lottery has revenues in the billions and more people might play if the odds of winning were better so it would still be a win for lotteries. Will continue to play but my realism is back to the forefront and I can play for the rest of my life and most likely never win more than a few hundred dollars.

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    Posted: September 27, 2015, 8:28 am - IP Logged

    Your question should be "why do people like to play games they think are impossible to win" when there are plenty of local games with better odds and smaller prizes. 

    States join MM and PB because they know their large jackpots will attract players and hope those players will also play the local games.  If MM and PB were easier to win then they couldn't generate those large jackpots and without large jackpots there would be no reason for them to exist.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: September 27, 2015, 9:13 am - IP Logged

      Hi everyone,

      i have been coming to this site for a long time and appreciate all of Todd's hard work in creating a site like this and how hard it must be to maintain this site daily.  Why does the lottery need to continue to change the matrix on games like MM and soon PB? It was already impossible to win the jackpot and even impossible to win the second prize. Before the matrix change I played MM more but having to get 5 numbers out of 75 numbers makes it truly impossible to get a second place prize. I never really expected to hit the main jackpot and was always striving for the 2nd place prize on MM and PB but making the game impossible for myself and everyone else just seems so unfair. The lottery is all about keeping revenues and not about being fair to players. Realize no one is making us play but why can't the odds be better for more people to have a chance to win the 2nd prize on PB and MM. It's not just draw games but scratchers too. Even though I've stayed on budget, the times through the years that I played scratchers, the most I won was 200 dollars on a ticket. More losers than winners and even a win would most likely just be the price I paid for that ticket. Would it really hurt the lottery if they were more fair to it's players? The lottery has revenues in the billions and more people might play if the odds of winning were better so it would still be a win for lotteries. Will continue to play but my realism is back to the forefront and I can play for the rest of my life and most likely never win more than a few hundred dollars.

      There's plenty of games to play that are easier to win. The jackpots or payouts may not be millions, but if you want millions, then naturally it's going to be harder to win.

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        Posted: September 27, 2015, 9:13 am - IP Logged

        Your question should be "why do people like to play games they think are impossible to win" when there are plenty of local games with better odds and smaller prizes. 

         

        I Agree!

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          Posted: September 27, 2015, 10:29 am - IP Logged

          Hi everyone,

          i have been coming to this site for a long time and appreciate all of Todd's hard work in creating a site like this and how hard it must be to maintain this site daily.  Why does the lottery need to continue to change the matrix on games like MM and soon PB? It was already impossible to win the jackpot and even impossible to win the second prize. Before the matrix change I played MM more but having to get 5 numbers out of 75 numbers makes it truly impossible to get a second place prize. I never really expected to hit the main jackpot and was always striving for the 2nd place prize on MM and PB but making the game impossible for myself and everyone else just seems so unfair. The lottery is all about keeping revenues and not about being fair to players. Realize no one is making us play but why can't the odds be better for more people to have a chance to win the 2nd prize on PB and MM. It's not just draw games but scratchers too. Even though I've stayed on budget, the times through the years that I played scratchers, the most I won was 200 dollars on a ticket. More losers than winners and even a win would most likely just be the price I paid for that ticket. Would it really hurt the lottery if they were more fair to it's players? The lottery has revenues in the billions and more people might play if the odds of winning were better so it would still be a win for lotteries. Will continue to play but my realism is back to the forefront and I can play for the rest of my life and most likely never win more than a few hundred dollars.

          Excitement at 9 digit jackpots has faded.

          The daily pick 3 typically pays 500 on odds of 1:1000 (000-999).  Depends on where you play, legal or otherwise I suppose.  We all know this and it's awesome odds if you ask me.  Theoretically, over time you can only win back half of what you play.  Whoops, forgot taxes.  Yikes.  I'm not going to make a living or retire playing the daily.  It's like a Toyota, in that it's common, dependable and predictable.  I'm not saying predictable in what the numbers will be, but predictable-ish in the payout.  Cold and hot streaks aside, it all balances out.  I always see people playing stacks of daily numbers.  Getting gas at the same gas station at roughly the same time of day after work, you tend to see the same people playing the daily as a regular thing.  It brings in steady revenue to the state, but little else from what I've read.

          Playing Megamillions (my fave, still a buck) at odds of 1:258,890,850 has astronomically bad odds for winning, but the windfall can be absolutely life changing.  My theory is that playing $1 per draw (twice a week), means I'm sure to hit MM at least once in a little over 129 million weeks (~2.5 million years).  I can cut that down to winning once every 1/2 million years by playing $5 per draw.  Ha ha, foolproof or foolish retirement plan?  Foolish for sure.  It's like the world's fastest race car in it's rarity, excitement and danger.  People show up in droves at the lottery sellers when record level jackpots arrive.  Thus, if people lose interest in the routine $300 million plus draws, the lotto has little choice but to ramp up the odds to increase the jackpots and keep people interested/playing.  Can you imagine the mayhem when a lotto hits $1 billion plus in the US?  I will make one prediction about that lotto draw:  record numbers of people will call in sick to stand in hours long lines to buy hundreds of QP/EP tickets, even people that have never played before.

          Not related, but the most money I've ever won is playing horses at the track.  Short legs for sprints.  Long legs for distance.  Lightweight jockey.  Got it.  Watching the horses warm up is 90% of my method.  I watched a trainer punch a favored horse once.  Kept that to myself teehee.  I bet against that horse and won big time lol.  Probably never happen again.  It was a bad day for the horse but a good day for me.

          Here's my perspective:

          If I paid $1 for a chance to win the daily, it's like paying $1 at the door, going into a 25x40 foot room (1000 sq ft), and standing on the correct tile to win.  That's not so bad.  I can see that.

          Contrast that tiny room against paying $1 for a chance to win MM, you pay the same $1 at the door, but now you walk into a room that is a little over 3 miles square (~5 km), then standing on the correct tile to win.  What?  It would take me one hour just to walk to the other corner of the room!  Yupp.  Kinda depressing odds if you ask me.  If I were in one corner, and somebody in the opposite corner, would I even see their feet considering curvature of the Earth?  Still, at a bargain $1 compared to greedy ole Powerball at $2, I still play.  (5280 ft/mi * 3.05mi)^2 is roughly equal to the odds of MM.  I hardly see people play the jackpot games much, unless it's a record, then there will be line for sure.

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            Posted: September 27, 2015, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

            Hi shyguitar,  the lottery is a business to make money and tax money for the state.  It is not design to put money into the pockets of the people.  And yes, it is an extremely unfair game.  Do you remember for your state when they was promoting the lottery,  the big seller was, schools will benefit from the lottery.  And in most places the schools are not benefiting from the lottery.  Unless you live in a rich area where the schools do not need the money.

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              Posted: September 27, 2015, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

              Your question should be "why do people like to play games they think are impossible to win" when there are plenty of local games with better odds and smaller prizes. 

               

              I Agree!

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                The Pope might as well go home instead of changing the greed mentality in the United States.  The United States grow on greed and it will fail on greed.

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                  The Pope might as well go home instead of changing the greed mentality in the United States.  The United States grow on greed and it will fail on greed.

                  The USA and its greed ???  hmmmm  Interesting, gotta look this up. So I went to the global humanitarian assistance dot org site and found these statistics;
                  In 2013
                  United States of America  gave a total of $30.9 Billion in assistance
                  UK
                  gave $17. 7 Billion Assistance
                  United Arab
                  Emerates gave 5.1 Billion
                  China
                  GAVE & RECIEVED   6.6 Billion
                  Russia
                  gave $543 Million-----WITH AN M not a B


                  Well crap, lets go to our neighbors to the north and the south shall we ?

                  Canada gave $5 Billion
                  Mexico
                  gave $ OH CRAP, it doesn't show they gave anything !

                  Other Countries;
                  Saudi Arabia
                  gave in 2012 $ 1.3 Billion

                  India GAVE & RECIEVED   $ 1.1 Billion
                  European Union
                  gave $15.2 Billion

                  So the USA gives more than double(except the U.K but its close to double) and certainly 5 or 6 or 25 times as much as some the above named countries and we have "greed mentality" ???


                  I don't claim this site is the end all and exact right down to the penny but I do find it interesting that it doesn't claim to be funded by the"greed mentality" of the USA.
                  *** GHA is funded by Canada,Netherlands,Sweden and U.K***According to their website.

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                    Posted: September 27, 2015, 3:21 pm - IP Logged

                    They have to make it harder to keep the games from going bankrupt.  It's way too easy for winners to win.

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                      Posted: September 27, 2015, 4:41 pm - IP Logged

                      The USA and its greed ???  hmmmm  Interesting, gotta look this up. So I went to the global humanitarian assistance dot org site and found these statistics;
                      In 2013
                      United States of America  gave a total of $30.9 Billion in assistance
                      UK
                      gave $17. 7 Billion Assistance
                      United Arab
                      Emerates gave 5.1 Billion
                      China
                      GAVE & RECIEVED   6.6 Billion
                      Russia
                      gave $543 Million-----WITH AN M not a B


                      Well crap, lets go to our neighbors to the north and the south shall we ?

                      Canada gave $5 Billion
                      Mexico
                      gave $ OH CRAP, it doesn't show they gave anything !

                      Other Countries;
                      Saudi Arabia
                      gave in 2012 $ 1.3 Billion

                      India GAVE & RECIEVED   $ 1.1 Billion
                      European Union
                      gave $15.2 Billion

                      So the USA gives more than double(except the U.K but its close to double) and certainly 5 or 6 or 25 times as much as some the above named countries and we have "greed mentality" ???


                      I don't claim this site is the end all and exact right down to the penny but I do find it interesting that it doesn't claim to be funded by the"greed mentality" of the USA.
                      *** GHA is funded by Canada,Netherlands,Sweden and U.K***According to their website.

                      Lol. Hey Dana youre letting facts get in the way of his bs.

                      CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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                        Lol. Hey Dana youre letting facts get in the way of his bs.

                        Perhaps he's just ....just....how does Obama put that ?  Oh yeah, now I remember....Misspoke
                        That's it, he misspoke.

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                          Posted: September 27, 2015, 5:42 pm - IP Logged

                          They have to make it harder to keep the games from going bankrupt.  It's way too easy for winners to win.

                          It always looks easier for winners but before they won it was just as hard for them to win as the losers.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: September 28, 2015, 12:14 am - IP Logged

                            Your question should be "why do people like to play games they think are impossible to win" when there are plenty of local games with better odds and smaller prizes. 

                            States join MM and PB because they know their large jackpots will attract players and hope those players will also play the local games.  If MM and PB were easier to win then they couldn't generate those large jackpots and without large jackpots there would be no reason for them to exist.

                            I Agree!

                            The last time I looked the odds of winning a Ohio Classic Lotto jackpot is much better than winning $1 million playing MM. Complaining about it must be some type of a personal reverse psychology thing.

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                              Posted: September 28, 2015, 12:55 am - IP Logged

                              The USA and its greed ???  hmmmm  Interesting, gotta look this up. So I went to the global humanitarian assistance dot org site and found these statistics;
                              In 2013
                              United States of America  gave a total of $30.9 Billion in assistance
                              UK
                              gave $17. 7 Billion Assistance
                              United Arab
                              Emerates gave 5.1 Billion
                              China
                              GAVE & RECIEVED   6.6 Billion
                              Russia
                              gave $543 Million-----WITH AN M not a B


                              Well crap, lets go to our neighbors to the north and the south shall we ?

                              Canada gave $5 Billion
                              Mexico
                              gave $ OH CRAP, it doesn't show they gave anything !

                              Other Countries;
                              Saudi Arabia
                              gave in 2012 $ 1.3 Billion

                              India GAVE & RECIEVED   $ 1.1 Billion
                              European Union
                              gave $15.2 Billion

                              So the USA gives more than double(except the U.K but its close to double) and certainly 5 or 6 or 25 times as much as some the above named countries and we have "greed mentality" ???


                              I don't claim this site is the end all and exact right down to the penny but I do find it interesting that it doesn't claim to be funded by the"greed mentality" of the USA.
                              *** GHA is funded by Canada,Netherlands,Sweden and U.K***According to their website.

                              Here. I fixed your data.

                              United Arab
                              Emirates $540 per person
                              UK gave $279 per person
                              Canada gave $141 per person
                              United States of America  gave a total of $96 per person

                              I also showed it by GDP, but that doesn't change the order.

                              United Arab Emirates gave 1.27% of GDP
                              UK gave 0.66% of GDP
                              Canada gave 0.27% of GDP
                              United States of America  gave 0.18% of GDP

                              On the bright side, what we lack in greed we make up for in stupidity.