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# Are Vtracs the key to P3?

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Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

For example:

These are from Ontario:

 11/18/2015 E 5 92 042 11/18/2015 M 6 90 140 11/17/2015 E 8 78 323 11/17/2015 M 6 55 100 11/16/2015 E 2 49 242 11/16/2015 M 7 11 211 11/15/2015 E 6 40 140 11/15/2015 M 1 91 141

Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein

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Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

For example:

These are from Ontario:

 11/18/2015 E 5 92 042 11/18/2015 M 6 90 140 11/17/2015 E 8 78 323 11/17/2015 M 6 55 100 11/16/2015 E 2 49 242 11/16/2015 M 7 11 211 11/15/2015 E 6 40 140 11/15/2015 M 1 91 141

Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

Tia,

I created structures in Lotsoft using Vtracs. The structures were all combos in CN (clean numbers), that had no

V1-V2

V1-V3

V1-V4

V1-V5

V2-V3

V2-V4

V2-V5

V3-V4

V3-V5

V4-V5

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Very nice, Carbob!  You are a real Lotsoft power user!

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And again, Evening to Midday:
Evening 11/18   592
Midday 11/19    298
This one is obvious since you don't need the mirror pairs to see the repeat.
The play would have been:
592 Mirrored = 042
pairs = 02,04,24 + 1, (the 04 pair was eliminated after 2 hits in a row -- 83% will not hit a 3rd time)
combinations=012,023,014,034,124,234
234 = 234,347,248,239,478,379,289,789
I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them.

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein

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And again, Evening to Midday:
Evening 11/18   592
Midday 11/19    298
This one is obvious since you don't need the mirror pairs to see the repeat.
The play would have been:
592 Mirrored = 042
pairs = 02,04,24 + 1, (the 04 pair was eliminated after 2 hits in a row -- 83% will not hit a 3rd time)
combinations=012,023,014,034,124,234
234 = 234,347,248,239,478,379,289,789
I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them.

I will have to come up with a way to track repeats. Everything I know about Lotsoft, was taught to me by Ricky and Win D. I wish Ricky would have been able to finish the new version.

Here is something I found for Fl combined. No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips. Too bad, I made my plays earlier. If it doesn't hit tonight, I will jump on it tomorrow.

728, 819, 218, 639, 619, 849, 419, 718, 649, 327, 638, 738, 617, 637, 416, 437, 329, 439, 618, 326, 748, 627, 647, 839, 216, 438, 436, 749, 316, 427, 629, 429, 219, 318, 417, 328, 729, 418, 217, 829

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"I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them."
x
Well, Evening did repeat a pair, and it was a Double (in Mirror world)
Evening result 11/19   380
Mirror result 330
x
Midday   298  Mirror=234
Pairs: 23,24,34,22,33,44 + 0,1
Combos: 022,122,033,133,044,144
022=022,077,027,522,527,577
122=122,127,177,622,627,677
033=033,038,088,533,538,588
133=133,138,188,633,638,688
044=044,049,099,544,549,599
144=144,149,199,644,649,699
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An easy filter here would be to remove all the doubles in actual numbers if you didn't believe that a double was due.  This would leave you with only 12 combinations to play.

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I will have to come up with a way to track repeats. Everything I know about Lotsoft, was taught to me by Ricky and Win D. I wish Ricky would have been able to finish the new version.

Here is something I found for Fl combined. No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips. Too bad, I made my plays earlier. If it doesn't hit tonight, I will jump on it tomorrow.

728, 819, 218, 639, 619, 849, 419, 718, 649, 327, 638, 738, 617, 637, 416, 437, 329, 439, 618, 326, 748, 627, 647, 839, 216, 438, 436, 749, 316, 427, 629, 429, 219, 318, 417, 328, 729, 418, 217, 829

"No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips."

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Wow, with a Median of 3, 84 is quite a run.  I call runs like that "Energizer Bunnies"  because they just keep going and going...

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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"No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips."

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Wow, with a Median of 3, 84 is quite a run.  I call runs like that "Energizer Bunnies"  because they just keep going and going...

I am playing these today even if digit 9 is overdue. Digit 6 has skipped since Feb with the No V1.

819 639 619 729 416

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Thanks for sharing.

Good Luck.

I hope this vtrac repeats midday , I hope this vtrac continues to run straights, I like, 4-2-8 straight.

Sometimes, @ least 3 numbers will hit from the same vtrac.

 v534 423, 428, 473, 478, 923, 928, 973, 978

Good Luck!

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Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

For example:

These are from Ontario:

 11/18/2015 E 5 92 042 11/18/2015 M 6 90 140 11/17/2015 E 8 78 323 11/17/2015 M 6 55 100 11/16/2015 E 2 49 242 11/16/2015 M 7 11 211 11/15/2015 E 6 40 140 11/15/2015 M 1 91 141

Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

To answer the thread's title, while it may not be the only key, I do think that "Mirrors" are one of the 3 keys to the Pick 3.  If one assumes that All Things have some quality of roundness in them, either in form(space) or function(time), then we can assume that the Pick 3 has a circular shape and it moves in a circular fashion. I think "mirrors" are integral to this circularity. I super-actively make use of them in my workouts. They even guide me in the end as I make my picks for I'll choose one or two Vtracs, and submit their mirror numbers.

Excellent work Tialuvslotto. Thanks for sharing your POV.

"In the Beginning was the Point".  According to Lottery Lore, these are the only words written in the long-lost ancient Pick 3 Codex - The Scroll of Harmony. Those who came later, The Lottery LoreKeepers, intuited the rest of the riddle as they charted the Point's evolution through TIME by connecting periods that expose relationships to accurately predict the next draw(7th): "The Point(1st draw) was born, began to grow and in its bold adolescence became the line(2nd draw), knew young adulthood in the triangle(3rd draw), stable maturity by the square(4th draw), older age as the pentagon(5th draw), and eventually embraced death(completion) in the hexagon(6th draw). Here lies the CIrcle(Pi) of a lottery draw's life and it is Immutable, for as the Point seeds, flowers and fruits, it is changed but essentially unchanged, as it forever rises in ReBirth(7th draw)"

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To answer the thread's title, while it may not be the only key, I do think that "Mirrors" are one of the 3 keys to the Pick 3.  If one assumes that All Things have some quality of roundness in them, either in form(space) or function(time), then we can assume that the Pick 3 has a circular shape and it moves in a circular fashion. I think "mirrors" are integral to this circularity. I super-actively make use of them in my workouts. They even guide me in the end as I make my picks for I'll choose one or two Vtracs, and submit their mirror numbers.

Excellent work Tialuvslotto. Thanks for sharing your POV.

Thanks, Kola!  I find myself relying more and more on my Mirror numbers to discover the likely characteristics of the upcoming draw and use the actual numbers more as a way to select between the 2 mirror possibilities.

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Missouri vtracs 11/20-11/23

Kola sez

I'll choose one or two Vtracs , and submit their mirror numbers.

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Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

For example:

These are from Ontario:

 11/18/2015 E 5 92 042 11/18/2015 M 6 90 140 11/17/2015 E 8 78 323 11/17/2015 M 6 55 100 11/16/2015 E 2 49 242 11/16/2015 M 7 11 211 11/15/2015 E 6 40 140 11/15/2015 M 1 91 141

Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

If you want to know about v-tracking, you have to see all possible cases.

You are searching for followers of certain digits. Example from my ws for last 10 daily 3 CA:

Digit -> Follower-Pair

Follower pair scoring 1 or 2 boxed.
@LP: This includes vtrack boxed.

DT1T2F
4065
6465
4675
4685
4464
4364

...

If you stick to a rigid v-tracking model, you get a limited view of what was drawn. This is easy to explain, any number can follow any number.

If you want only rigid models, you would have to map them all. You would need a full list of them and compare which does best, or recently does best, if there is one that does best, for example.

Another observation in tracking digit -> couples (=V) followers:

Digit -> Follower-Pair

Follower pair scoring 2 boxed

DT1T2F
6443
4462
3472
4362

The shorter the period, the relatively hotter a situation can be. While a rigid model cannot detect some situations, a complete model can.

Let me tell you that I just invented the w-track! LOL. Digit d can be followed by d+0 d+3 d+6 ... for example. Of course I propose to list all cases. If you want to map them to rigid models, you loose the overview, unless you search by some filter parameter(s) that you set. I think that the last option is what you are looking for.

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