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Are Vtracs the key to P3?

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Posted: November 19, 2015, 8:58 am - IP Logged

Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

For example:

These are from Ontario:

11/18/2015E592042
11/18/2015M690140
11/17/2015E878323
11/17/2015M655100
11/16/2015E249242
11/16/2015M711211
11/15/2015E640140
11/15/2015M191141

Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein

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    Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

    Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

    For example:

    These are from Ontario:

    11/18/2015E592042
    11/18/2015M690140
    11/17/2015E878323
    11/17/2015M655100
    11/16/2015E249242
    11/16/2015M711211
    11/15/2015E640140
    11/15/2015M191141

    Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

    0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

    0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

    1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

    To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

    Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

    11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

    The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

    Tia,

    I created structures in Lotsoft using Vtracs. The structures were all combos in CN (clean numbers), that had no

    V1-V2

    V1-V3

    V1-V4

    V1-V5

    V2-V3

    V2-V4

    V2-V5

    V3-V4

    V3-V5

    V4-V5

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      Very nice, Carbob!  You are a real Lotsoft power user!

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        Posted: November 19, 2015, 3:34 pm - IP Logged
        And again, Evening to Midday:
        Evening 11/18   592
        Midday 11/19    298
        This one is obvious since you don't need the mirror pairs to see the repeat.
        The play would have been:
        592 Mirrored = 042
        pairs = 02,04,24 + 1, (the 04 pair was eliminated after 2 hits in a row -- 83% will not hit a 3rd time)
        combinations=012,023,014,034,124,234
        234 = 234,347,248,239,478,379,289,789
        I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them.

        "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

        ~Robert A. Heinlein

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          Posted: November 19, 2015, 5:13 pm - IP Logged
          And again, Evening to Midday:
          Evening 11/18   592
          Midday 11/19    298
          This one is obvious since you don't need the mirror pairs to see the repeat.
          The play would have been:
          592 Mirrored = 042
          pairs = 02,04,24 + 1, (the 04 pair was eliminated after 2 hits in a row -- 83% will not hit a 3rd time)
          combinations=012,023,014,034,124,234
          234 = 234,347,248,239,478,379,289,789
          I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them.

          I will have to come up with a way to track repeats. Everything I know about Lotsoft, was taught to me by Ricky and Win D. I wish Ricky would have been able to finish the new version.

          Here is something I found for Fl combined. No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips. Too bad, I made my plays earlier. If it doesn't hit tonight, I will jump on it tomorrow.

          728, 819, 218, 639, 619, 849, 419, 718, 649, 327, 638, 738, 617, 637, 416, 437, 329, 439, 618, 326, 748, 627, 647, 839, 216, 438, 436, 749, 316, 427, 629, 429, 219, 318, 417, 328, 729, 418, 217, 829

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            "I probably wouldn't play this method for a 3rd repeat in a row, although it does happen from time to time.  If I did, I would include the double pairs as doubles have been missing now for 4 games in a row -- remember Vtracs/Mirrors have 50% doubles, so you always have to be looking out for them."
            x
            Well, Evening did repeat a pair, and it was a Double (in Mirror world)
            Evening result 11/19   380
            Mirror result 330
            x
            Midday   298  Mirror=234
            Pairs: 23,24,34,22,33,44 + 0,1
            Combos: 022,122,033,133,044,144
            022=022,077,027,522,527,577
            122=122,127,177,622,627,677
            033=033,038,088,533,538,588
            133=133,138,188,633,638,688
            044=044,049,099,544,549,599
            144=144,149,199,644,649,699
            x
            An easy filter here would be to remove all the doubles in actual numbers if you didn't believe that a double was due.  This would leave you with only 12 combinations to play.

            "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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              I will have to come up with a way to track repeats. Everything I know about Lotsoft, was taught to me by Ricky and Win D. I wish Ricky would have been able to finish the new version.

              Here is something I found for Fl combined. No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips. Too bad, I made my plays earlier. If it doesn't hit tonight, I will jump on it tomorrow.

              728, 819, 218, 639, 619, 849, 419, 718, 649, 327, 638, 738, 617, 637, 416, 437, 329, 439, 618, 326, 748, 627, 647, 839, 216, 438, 436, 749, 316, 427, 629, 429, 219, 318, 417, 328, 729, 418, 217, 829

              "No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips."

              x

              Wow, with a Median of 3, 84 is quite a run.  I call runs like that "Energizer Bunnies"  because they just keep going and going...

              "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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                "No V1 rank 213, maxed out @ 84 skips."

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                Wow, with a Median of 3, 84 is quite a run.  I call runs like that "Energizer Bunnies"  because they just keep going and going...

                I am playing these today even if digit 9 is overdue. Digit 6 has skipped since Feb with the No V1.

                 

                819 639 619 729 416

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                  Posted: November 20, 2015, 8:40 am - IP Logged

                  Thanks for sharingBanana.

                   

                  Good Luck.

                  I hope this vtrac repeats midday , I hope this vtrac continues to run straights, I like, 4-2-8 straight.

                  Sometimes, @ least 3 numbers will hit from the same vtrac.

                  v534423, 428, 473, 478, 923, 928, 973, 978

                  The Struggle is real!

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                    Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

                    Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

                    For example:

                    These are from Ontario:

                    11/18/2015E592042
                    11/18/2015M690140
                    11/17/2015E878323
                    11/17/2015M655100
                    11/16/2015E249242
                    11/16/2015M711211
                    11/15/2015E640140
                    11/15/2015M191141

                    Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

                    0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

                    0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

                    1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

                    To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

                    Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

                    11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

                    The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

                    To answer the thread's title, while it may not be the only key, I do think that "Mirrors" are one of the 3 keys to the Pick 3.  If one assumes that All Things have some quality of roundness in them, either in form(space) or function(time), then we can assume that the Pick 3 has a circular shape and it moves in a circular fashion. I think "mirrors" are integral to this circularity. I super-actively make use of them in my workouts. They even guide me in the end as I make my picks for I'll choose one or two Vtracs, and submit their mirror numbers. 

                    Excellent work Tialuvslotto. Thanks for sharing your POV.

                    Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                      To answer the thread's title, while it may not be the only key, I do think that "Mirrors" are one of the 3 keys to the Pick 3.  If one assumes that All Things have some quality of roundness in them, either in form(space) or function(time), then we can assume that the Pick 3 has a circular shape and it moves in a circular fashion. I think "mirrors" are integral to this circularity. I super-actively make use of them in my workouts. They even guide me in the end as I make my picks for I'll choose one or two Vtracs, and submit their mirror numbers. 

                      Excellent work Tialuvslotto. Thanks for sharing your POV.

                      Thanks, Kola!  I find myself relying more and more on my Mirror numbers to discover the likely characteristics of the upcoming draw and use the actual numbers more as a way to select between the 2 mirror possibilities.

                      "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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                        Missouri vtracs 11/20-11/23

                         

                        Kola sez

                         

                        I'll choose one or two Vtracs Thumbs Up, and submit their mirror numbers.

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                          Actually, I use base 5 (aka "Mirror numbers") instead of real Vtracs, but the principles are the same and they are easier to calculate.  I just have to remember to flip Even and Odd when BA posts about Vtracs!

                          Anyway, one interesting aspect of the Vtrac/Mirror system is that a pair will repeat about 1/3 of the time.  After a Double you get a pair repeat about 22% of the time, but after an unmatched combination you will get a pair repeat almost 50% of the time.

                          For example:

                          These are from Ontario:

                          11/18/2015E592042
                          11/18/2015M690140
                          11/17/2015E878323
                          11/17/2015M655100
                          11/16/2015E249242
                          11/16/2015M711211
                          11/15/2015E640140
                          11/15/2015M191141

                          Each Vtrac/Mirror combo generates 3 pairs, which then expand into 12 (3X4) pairs in actual numbers, eg: 140=01,04,14

                          0=0,5  1=1,6 so we get 01,06,15,56

                          0=0,5  4=4,9 so we get 04,09,45,59

                          1=1,6  4=4,9 giving 14,19,46,69

                          To reduce the total number of picks, these pairs can be combined with the Vtrac/Mirror digits that were not included in the "trigger" combo.  Eg. 140 does not include Mirror digits 2 or 3 (2,7  3,8) so the expanded pairs can be combined with 2,7,3,8 in this example.

                          Note the first example (140 followed by 211).  This will happen about half the time (50% doubles in Vtracs), so you can also add in pairs 00,11,44 for this example.  This will give you 9 (3X3) addtional pairs, if you want to include them:

                          11:  1=1,6  11,16,66

                          The unmatched plus double picks will give you 12X4 + 9X4 = 84 picks, so filtering is definitely required.

                          If you want to know about v-tracking, you have to see all possible cases.

                          You are searching for followers of certain digits. Example from my ws for last 10 daily 3 CA:

                          Digit -> Follower-Pair

                          Follower pair scoring 1 or 2 boxed.
                          @LP: This includes vtrack boxed.

                          DT1T2F
                          4065
                          6465
                          4675
                          4685
                          4464
                          4364

                          ...

                          If you stick to a rigid v-tracking model, you get a limited view of what was drawn. This is easy to explain, any number can follow any number.

                          If you want only rigid models, you would have to map them all. You would need a full list of them and compare which does best, or recently does best, if there is one that does best, for example.

                          Another observation in tracking digit -> couples (=V) followers:

                          Digit -> Follower-Pair

                          Follower pair scoring 2 boxed

                          DT1T2F
                          6443
                          4462
                          3472
                          4362

                          The shorter the period, the relatively hotter a situation can be. While a rigid model cannot detect some situations, a complete model can.

                          Let me tell you that I just invented the w-track! LOL. Digit d can be followed by d+0 d+3 d+6 ... for example. Of course I propose to list all cases. If you want to map them to rigid models, you loose the overview, unless you search by some filter parameter(s) that you set. I think that the last option is what you are looking for.