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Posted: December 6, 2015, 11:06 am - IP Logged

Hi, lottery post, I am new here and I come with questions. I have played AoN from time to time, and like most of you, I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!! 

Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. I live in Georgia and I have studied the GA. draw history of AoN extensively, and to some degree I've studied AoN in the other states that have game, and the results are the same...most of the time 5,6 or 7 numbers will rollover from the previous draw to the next draw.

I use the term rollover instead of "repeating" or "returning" because I am of the conspiratorial mindset when it comes to lottery games, and believe that it is highly improbable for 5,6 or 7 numbers to consistently "repeat", when there are 19, 18 or 17 other numbers that can be drawn. Rhetorical: In all the randomness of numbers ....using 6 as the average... how can 1/4 of these 24 numbers consistently rollover from draw to draw? The answer, of course, is the RNG; they program the computers to rollover these numbers. 

With all that said, this is my bottom line question: What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? And knowing this, is there a way to capitalize on it? If I'm missing the obvious, please let me know.

I do not have an analytical mind when it comes to numbers, so, if there is a connection, I have not been able to find it. There are a lot of smart people on this site, so I'm sure someone here can answer this question for me.

 

Thx

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    Posted: December 6, 2015, 11:27 am - IP Logged

    Match 12 $250,000
    Match 11 $500
    Match 10 $50
    Match 09 $10
    Match 08 $2
    Match 07
    Match 06
    Match 05
    Match 04 $2
    Match 03 $10
    Match 02 $50
    Match 01 $500
    Match 00 $250,000

    A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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      Posted: December 6, 2015, 11:34 am - IP Logged

      50% of numbers will be drawn.  Last draw 12 numbers drawn.  50% of 12 = 6.  So odds say 6 will rollover, on average.

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        Posted: December 6, 2015, 11:39 am - IP Logged

        Hi, lottery post, I am new here and I come with questions. I have played AoN from time to time, and like most of you, I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!! 

        Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. I live in Georgia and I have studied the GA. draw history of AoN extensively, and to some degree I've studied AoN in the other states that have game, and the results are the same...most of the time 5,6 or 7 numbers will rollover from the previous draw to the next draw.

        I use the term rollover instead of "repeating" or "returning" because I am of the conspiratorial mindset when it comes to lottery games, and believe that it is highly improbable for 5,6 or 7 numbers to consistently "repeat", when there are 19, 18 or 17 other numbers that can be drawn. Rhetorical: In all the randomness of numbers ....using 6 as the average... how can 1/4 of these 24 numbers consistently rollover from draw to draw? The answer, of course, is the RNG; they program the computers to rollover these numbers. 

        With all that said, this is my bottom line question: What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? And knowing this, is there a way to capitalize on it? If I'm missing the obvious, please let me know.

        I do not have an analytical mind when it comes to numbers, so, if there is a connection, I have not been able to find it. There are a lot of smart people on this site, so I'm sure someone here can answer this question for me.

         

        Thx

        AoN in Texas is a ball drop game. I used to play it everyday, but decided to lay off and play more on Texas 2 Step. The odds are better and the jackpot rolls, and tickets are still $1, while AoN tics are $2.

        The way the game is set up, you will most often hit on 5,6 or 7 numbers. When I played AoN, I would often play the same numbers 2 times, sometimes 5 times to have a shot at $500,000, or $1,250,000.

        CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

        A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)

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          Posted: December 6, 2015, 4:02 pm - IP Logged

          Hi, lottery post, I am new here and I come with questions. I have played AoN from time to time, and like most of you, I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!! 

          Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. I live in Georgia and I have studied the GA. draw history of AoN extensively, and to some degree I've studied AoN in the other states that have game, and the results are the same...most of the time 5,6 or 7 numbers will rollover from the previous draw to the next draw.

          I use the term rollover instead of "repeating" or "returning" because I am of the conspiratorial mindset when it comes to lottery games, and believe that it is highly improbable for 5,6 or 7 numbers to consistently "repeat", when there are 19, 18 or 17 other numbers that can be drawn. Rhetorical: In all the randomness of numbers ....using 6 as the average... how can 1/4 of these 24 numbers consistently rollover from draw to draw? The answer, of course, is the RNG; they program the computers to rollover these numbers. 

          With all that said, this is my bottom line question: What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? And knowing this, is there a way to capitalize on it? If I'm missing the obvious, please let me know.

          I do not have an analytical mind when it comes to numbers, so, if there is a connection, I have not been able to find it. There are a lot of smart people on this site, so I'm sure someone here can answer this question for me.

           

          Thx

          You can get 40% to 50% payouts, and your lines can win 20% to 30% on the long run without problem.

          The price is set too high, it should have been 50 cents for a combination.

          The outer ends pay, that is a bit like pick 7 to 10 at keno, where you often get 3 dollars for not hitting anything.
          It dilutes the payout for hitting at keno. With AON it is like, you don't know which end to play.

          If you have no analytical mind, then learn to count the amount of odd and even, low and high numbers. It is not much, but it is a start.

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            You're expecting too much for so little effort.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: December 6, 2015, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

              12 drawn from 24

              6 reps is normal

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                Posted: December 6, 2015, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

                Hi, lottery post, I am new here and I come with questions. I have played AoN from time to time, and like most of you, I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!! 

                Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. I live in Georgia and I have studied the GA. draw history of AoN extensively, and to some degree I've studied AoN in the other states that have game, and the results are the same...most of the time 5,6 or 7 numbers will rollover from the previous draw to the next draw.

                I use the term rollover instead of "repeating" or "returning" because I am of the conspiratorial mindset when it comes to lottery games, and believe that it is highly improbable for 5,6 or 7 numbers to consistently "repeat", when there are 19, 18 or 17 other numbers that can be drawn. Rhetorical: In all the randomness of numbers ....using 6 as the average... how can 1/4 of these 24 numbers consistently rollover from draw to draw? The answer, of course, is the RNG; they program the computers to rollover these numbers. 

                With all that said, this is my bottom line question: What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? And knowing this, is there a way to capitalize on it? If I'm missing the obvious, please let me know.

                I do not have an analytical mind when it comes to numbers, so, if there is a connection, I have not been able to find it. There are a lot of smart people on this site, so I'm sure someone here can answer this question for me.

                 

                Thx

                "Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? "

                There is no correlation because 50% of the numbers are drawn and the Georgia RNG drawings and the Texas ball drawings are statistically the same. It's difficult to win something because 77.8% of all combinations will match 5, 6, or 7 numbers and considering another 18% will match 4 or 8 numbers returning the price of the ticket, there isn't much room for profit. 

                IMO, the game is more like a scratch-off game though you probably won't see a $2 scratcher paying a top prized of $250,000. You can get much better odds of winning the secondary $500 prize by simply playing pick-3.

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                  "Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? "

                  There is no correlation because 50% of the numbers are drawn and the Georgia RNG drawings and the Texas ball drawings are statistically the same. It's difficult to win something because 77.8% of all combinations will match 5, 6, or 7 numbers and considering another 18% will match 4 or 8 numbers returning the price of the ticket, there isn't much room for profit. 

                  IMO, the game is more like a scratch-off game though you probably won't see a $2 scratcher paying a top prized of $250,000. You can get much better odds of winning the secondary $500 prize by simply playing pick-3.

                  Lucky for Life and Cash or Life are similar types of games and more states are adding one to their line ups.  Ohio just added Lucky for Life.  Their overall odds of winning something make the games look easy to win but winning the jackpot isn't easy.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    Posted: December 7, 2015, 1:34 pm - IP Logged

                    Thanks for the input, everyone. You all helped me save a lot of money.

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                      Posted: December 7, 2015, 5:08 pm - IP Logged

                      pdevans,

                      It's not just in All or Nothing games that this happens. Regardless of the game your most likely outcome is whatever doesn't pay, 0 numbers, 1 number in Pick 5, 0, 1+0, 2+0 in 5+1 games, etc.....

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Posted: December 7, 2015, 5:20 pm - IP Logged

                        Same here in nc u either got 5 6 7 numbers but I had 3/12 which is only $10 but may be we can work up some number cause I've only know of 1 person hitting 250,000 and that's been a while ago

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                          Posted: December 7, 2015, 8:36 pm - IP Logged

                          I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!!

                          Straightforward mathematics.  Of the 2,704,156 combinations:
                          1 matches 12,
                          144 match 11,
                          4,356 match 10,
                          48,400 match 9,
                          245,025 match 8,
                          627,264 match 7,
                          853,776 match 6,
                          627,264 match 5,
                          245,025 match 4,
                          48,400 match 3,
                          4,356 match 2,
                          144 match 1,
                          and 1 matches 0.

                          That means that 2,108,324/2,704,156, or about 78% of tickets, will match 5, 6, or 7 numbers. By comparison, 1, 2, 3, 9, 10, and 11 combined will come up on 105,800/2,704,156, or about 3.9% of tickets. You are twenty times more likely to win nothing than to win a substantial amount.

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                            Lucky for Life and Cash or Life are similar types of games and more states are adding one to their line ups.  Ohio just added Lucky for Life.  Their overall odds of winning something make the games look easy to win but winning the jackpot isn't easy.

                            Just found out, we have Lucky for Life in KY too and found out at 10 PM, they stop selling tickets at 9:30.

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                              Posted: December 8, 2015, 12:36 am - IP Logged

                              Hi, lottery post, I am new here and I come with questions. I have played AoN from time to time, and like most of you, I never hit the numbers that pay a substantial amount....like 1,2 or even 3. It always seems to be 5,6 or 7!!! 

                              Before I go further, I understand that AoN is an RNG game and this has a lot to do with why this game is so unwinnable. I live in Georgia and I have studied the GA. draw history of AoN extensively, and to some degree I've studied AoN in the other states that have game, and the results are the same...most of the time 5,6 or 7 numbers will rollover from the previous draw to the next draw.

                              I use the term rollover instead of "repeating" or "returning" because I am of the conspiratorial mindset when it comes to lottery games, and believe that it is highly improbable for 5,6 or 7 numbers to consistently "repeat", when there are 19, 18 or 17 other numbers that can be drawn. Rhetorical: In all the randomness of numbers ....using 6 as the average... how can 1/4 of these 24 numbers consistently rollover from draw to draw? The answer, of course, is the RNG; they program the computers to rollover these numbers. 

                              With all that said, this is my bottom line question: What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers? And knowing this, is there a way to capitalize on it? If I'm missing the obvious, please let me know.

                              I do not have an analytical mind when it comes to numbers, so, if there is a connection, I have not been able to find it. There are a lot of smart people on this site, so I'm sure someone here can answer this question for me.

                               

                              Thx

                              "What is the correlation between the 5,6 or 7 numbers that roll over and the fact that most of us only hit 5, 6 or 7 numbers?"

                              The odds of matching 5,6 or 7 are 1:4 and 1:3.  Most players hit what is the easiest, if you want to win more only play the harder combinations. Wink

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