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Mathematicians shocked to find pattern in "random" prime numbers

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Luminus's avatar - ouskuu

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    Posted: March 14, 2016, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

    I had proof a long time ago. But you have to ask yourself why the mathematicians were shocked..lol

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      I had proof a long time ago. But you have to ask yourself why the mathematicians were shocked..lol

      How many of the 1000 pick-3 numbers are prime numbers?

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        Interesting...thanks for posting...

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          Long ago they found simple patterns by ... but ... .

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            What pattern?

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              Explain your pattern theory and the link to prime numbers!

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                Unfortunately, I don't think this is exploitable in a smaller lottery such as the P3 or P4.  The reason is that there is a limited group of Primes and a limited group of combinations containing those Primes that can be drawn with the 'k-tuple conjecture' fixed at 3 or 4.  In the larger lotteries there is more room to see this effect, but still very limited compared to the trillions of combinations that they checked.

                I would love to have some math whiz prove me wrong, though! Conehead

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                  Do computer RNGs use prime numbers in any way in their number generation schemes?

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                    Interesting. While I am not a mathematician in any way, I don't see this in correlation to lottery numbers, at least those drawn by balls from a machine. That is random. Numbers drawn by RNG....random is more or less a product of programming.

                    One could use prime numbers to select numbers to play, but I still don't see where that is any better or worse than any other method of choosing numbers.

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                      How many of the 1000 pick-3 numbers are prime numbers?

                      168

                      https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/178988

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                        Nothing shocks us anymore.

                        Last thing to shock us was the electroshock treatments we were given as a kid.

                        Even then, all it did was piss us off.

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                          Explain your pattern theory and the link to prime numbers!

                          I don't have a theory, other than what I'm doing in the Take 5 forum.  I just discovered the article, right as I was preparing to go to work, so I thought I'd post it.

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                            Posted: March 15, 2016, 2:40 pm - IP Logged

                            Thanks for the article Luminus.

                            Based on my research in the Pick 3, I believe that the Pick 3,4,5,6, keno and jackpot games are replete with pattern. So as opposed to proof, the article is more of a cautionary narrative for me and a reminder to keep en garde on two fronts.

                            1. Guard my tongue: To be slow in making certain(not all) statements about the lottery concerning what's true and possible and what's untrue and impossible. I wouldn't want to squelch the potential talents of very impressionable minds.
                            2. Guard my mind and imagination: To be shy in throwing even more road-blocks to the already strained marriage of my creativity and my modest intellect as they lumber to work in harmony. All I ask is to read the Book of Nature just a wee bit, which is hard enough by itself, without doing extra false belief things with my mind and imagination to get in my way. Otherwise it would be like trying to row a boat with a strait-jacket on. The sad thing is that I probably wouldn't know I had it on. So to be diligent with my mind, I remind myself that there are "known unknowns" and more importantly, "unknown unknowns". "Known unknowns" basically means that I know that there are things I don't know. "Unknown unknowns" can be more insidious, and as the article suggests when one of the mathematicians spoke about their collective ignorance, it means that I don't know that I don't know. Yikes! So it's like a mantra for me now, and while it humbles me, it also allows me to open up, stretching my intellect and creativity just a little more...

                            If one wants to explore using primes in the lottery, it may help to be mindful that while there are specific number of primes in each particular game, as for example in Raven62's post of "168" of them in the Pick 3, the article reminds us that primes are the "building blocks" of all numbers, and so every number drawn can be derived by "multiplying primes together". I'm not going down this road, but whoever does, travel well...

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                              Posted: March 15, 2016, 3:13 pm - IP Logged

                              Thanks!