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Posted: March 20, 2016, 11:43 am - IP Logged

Below is an excerpt of yours. It shows 636 from 9 days apart. The winner was 709 and you had 780, pretty close. But why choose 9 days, and in your first example on the chart above there's a more considerable distance than 9 days?

This chart helps show why I think 780 is such a hot pick for today. The 636 - 780 thing has been going on since way back and it's continued throughout the history of the VA P3. All we need is a little luck today. There are very few number pairs that have even synchronized three times and 636 - 780 is one as you can see below. Out of all the draws ever, there are only four examples of a number pair that has synced four times, including that 576 - 054 pairing we saw last April. Anyway, here's the history of 636 - 780.

03/09/16; 636;877 | 07/19/14; 636;467 | 02/21/07;636;228 | 03/07/96; 636;604
03/10/16; 234;418 | 07/20/14; 868;132 | 02/22/07;271;925 | 03/08/96; 945;414
03/11/16; 976;190 | 07/21/14; 190;537 | 02/23/07;015;974 | 03/09/96; 062;904
03/12/16; 955;259 | 07/22/14; 022;890 | 02/24/07;754;895 | 03/11/96; 320;653
03/13/16; 389;359 | 07/23/14; 982;817 | 02/25/07;652;999 | 03/12/96; 596;384
03/14/16; 723;765 | 07/24/14; 178;931 | 02/26/07;738;309 | 03/13/96; 366;644
03/15/16; 149;037 | 07/25/14; 335;635 | 02/27/07;227;937 | 03/14/96; 363;764
03/16/16; 064;165 | 07/26/14; 212;796 | 02/28/07;412;027 | 03/15/96; 102;399
03/17/16; 587;608 | 07/27/14; 717;713 | 03/01/07;154;279 | 03/16/96; 488;371
03/18/16; xxx;xxx | 07/28/14; 780;531 | 03/02/07;780;631 | 03/18/96; 027;780

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    Posted: March 20, 2016, 12:03 pm - IP Logged

    Below is an excerpt of yours. It shows 636 from 9 days apart. The winner was 709 and you had 780, pretty close. But why choose 9 days, and in your first example on the chart above there's a more considerable distance than 9 days?

    This chart helps show why I think 780 is such a hot pick for today. The 636 - 780 thing has been going on since way back and it's continued throughout the history of the VA P3. All we need is a little luck today. There are very few number pairs that have even synchronized three times and 636 - 780 is one as you can see below. Out of all the draws ever, there are only four examples of a number pair that has synced four times, including that 576 - 054 pairing we saw last April. Anyway, here's the history of 636 - 780.

    03/09/16; 636;877 | 07/19/14; 636;467 | 02/21/07;636;228 | 03/07/96; 636;604
    03/10/16; 234;418 | 07/20/14; 868;132 | 02/22/07;271;925 | 03/08/96; 945;414
    03/11/16; 976;190 | 07/21/14; 190;537 | 02/23/07;015;974 | 03/09/96; 062;904
    03/12/16; 955;259 | 07/22/14; 022;890 | 02/24/07;754;895 | 03/11/96; 320;653
    03/13/16; 389;359 | 07/23/14; 982;817 | 02/25/07;652;999 | 03/12/96; 596;384
    03/14/16; 723;765 | 07/24/14; 178;931 | 02/26/07;738;309 | 03/13/96; 366;644
    03/15/16; 149;037 | 07/25/14; 335;635 | 02/27/07;227;937 | 03/14/96; 363;764
    03/16/16; 064;165 | 07/26/14; 212;796 | 02/28/07;412;027 | 03/15/96; 102;399
    03/17/16; 587;608 | 07/27/14; 717;713 | 03/01/07;154;279 | 03/16/96; 488;371
    03/18/16; xxx;xxx | 07/28/14; 780;531 | 03/02/07;780;631 | 03/18/96; 027;780

    Seems to me unless you have a program that looks for these groupings, it would be one monumental task to do this pen and paper. I'd have to look back at each individual winner and it's history of 30 days and list each winner in that 30 day period. Then look for matches. 

    Using 618 as an example, I'd have to go to each of those dates and see the 30 days after that number came out and list each winner mid and eve. There are 14 times 618 came out straight in Florida ever, which means I'd have 14 sheets of paper and each paper would have 30 days of winners after 618 showed. I'd then have to compare those 14 sheets of paper with each other to see what coincidences I could find. And this is for just one winner 618 two days ago, I'd then have to this again for 992 which won 3 days ago. Keep doing this for a week? thats tens of thousands of combinations to peruse over. I already feel my eyes bleeding No wonder it took you two days...lol

    Fri, Mar 18, 2016FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Wed, Sep 10, 2014FloridaCash 3 Midday6-1-8
    Sat, Mar 1, 2014FloridaCash 3 Midday6-1-8
    Sat, Jan 4, 2014FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Sun, Feb 3, 2013FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Fri, Sep 16, 2011FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Thu, Sep 2, 2010FloridaCash 3 Midday6-1-8
    Tue, Feb 10, 2009FloridaCash 3 Midday6-1-8
    Fri, Oct 31, 2008FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Mon, Oct 19, 1998FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Thu, Sep 18, 1997FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Fri, Nov 1, 1996FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Fri, Oct 9, 1992FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
    Thu, Dec 6, 1990FloridaCash 3 Evening6-1-8
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      I'm a maths moron, but I think you guys are over-thinking (at least when it comes to the Pick3 games). After reading this thread, I set out to find a fresh example of a simple pattern in the numbers and it only took me two days to find one. I publicly called last night's Pennsylvania P3 result using software that pulls the world's simplest pattern out of the numbers. It looks like this: 

      02/26/2016 064;236 | 04/08/2014 064;182 | 09/07/2012 098;064
      02/27/2016 337;315 | 04/09/2014 196;528 | 09/08/2012 602;260
      02/28/2016 430;637 | 04/10/2014 590;768 | 09/09/2012 273;378
      02/29/2016 454;545 | 04/11/2014 716;008 | 09/10/2012 801;046
      03/01/2016 102;574 | 04/12/2014 601;601 | 09/11/2012 497;671
      03/02/2016 610;852 | 04/13/2014 479;866 | 09/12/2012 953;573
      03/03/2016 416;402 | 04/14/2014 317;287 | 09/13/2012 471;205
      03/04/2016 460;276 | 04/15/2014 630;368 | 09/14/2012 991;705
      03/05/2016 857;939 | 04/16/2014 207;759 | 09/15/2012 857;985
      03/06/2016 703;125 | 04/17/2014 702;298 | 09/16/2012 140;342
      03/07/2016 834;756 | 04/18/2014 476;969 | 09/17/2012 595;392
      03/08/2016 246;551 | 04/19/2014 722;441 | 09/18/2012 113;497
      03/09/2016 033;857 | 04/20/2014 040;579 | 09/19/2012 962;016
      03/10/2016 913;410 | 04/21/2014 688;244 | 09/20/2012 739;865
      03/11/2016 884;713 | 04/22/2014 712;773 | 09/21/2012 943;163
      03/12/2016 762;960 | 04/23/2014 618;036 | 09/22/2012 689;364
      03/13/2016 281;485 | 04/24/2014 345;184 | 09/23/2012 607;340
      03/14/2016 729;311 | 04/25/2014 930;513 | 09/24/2012 149;773
      03/15/2016 645;679 | 04/26/2014 367;173 | 09/25/2012 853;489
      03/16/2016 372;386 | 04/27/2014 458;979 | 09/26/2012 057;629
      03/17/2016 911;601 | 04/28/2014 419;565 | 09/27/2012 250;736
      03/18/2016 036;052 | 04/29/2014 141;547 | 09/28/2012 942;360
      03/19/2016 301;070 | 04/30/2014 070;028 | 09/29/2012 070;057

      All you do is look for number pairings at a certain number of days. It's not hard, just create a dictionary of every number pair within a window of days (I arbitrarily use 30 to 40, we tried up to 1000 days without better results), then sort the dictionary on the first number + the second number + the number of days, then accumulate a list of the pairings that have happened more than once and reconcile it with the numbers which have fallen most recently within the window you chose to begin with. 

      I know I'm a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing maths moron, but you have to admit, it's a little peculiar how easy it was for me to find a fresh hit based on this idiotically-simple idea. I did it prospectively to give you guys a new example to think about. I know you guys are going to quickly say, "Let's see you do it again!" To which I quickly reply, "Okay." Heh. 

      Seriously guys, I know I'm just deluding myself, but I would sincerely appreciate it if one of you maths folks would at least take a whack at this just to make once-and-for-all sure that I'm wrong.

      I don't really understand what your question is. You seem to have highlighted the same sequences, then de highlighted those that are not equally spread apart. One of the examples on your table is 857 that also occurs three times but isn't the same distance from any other repeating sequence so it isn't highlighted.

      So is the question how is it possible that by random chance these two repeating sequences happen to be equally spread apart? If that's it then the answer is easy. Its called cherry picking.

      For example, select among the seven billion people on the planet those with a certain name. Then among those, select those that were born on the same date or something. Then among the thousands remaining select those who own a dog named "whatever". You will still be left with some people. 

      The more stringent your criteria, the larger random sample you need to start with in order to be left with some people remaining once you apply your criteria. If our criteria was even more stringent, then we needed more random people to start with. 

      So it's not surprising that in the lotteries with smaller pool of numbers and with a higher number of draws (like the Pick3), more of these features are found, whereas in say the Powerball, that has a larger pool of numbers and fewer draws, a smaller number of these coincidences are found (unless you take less stringent criteria).

      Random draws will produce patterns just like non random ones. Except that the pattern in non random sequences will require a larger draw history to coincidentally appear, and will not be useful in predicting future occurrences (unless the lottery is rigged or not actually random for whatever reason).

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        Correction in the last paragraph; "Except that the pattern in NON RANDOM sequences will require a larger draw history to coincidentally appear" should read: "Except that the pattern in RANDOM sequences will require a larger draw history to coincidentally appear" (I couldn't edit anymore).

        Also I should add that the reason mathematicians are "shocked" in this prime number case is that the pattern here in prime numbers required no cherry picking and therefore can't be random as in random sequences you can find patterns with cherry picking in large samples.

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          Florida, Draw a diagonal line, leads to the winning number. I have to back test to see how often this happens. 

          March 5 eve-761

          March 6 eve-409

           

           

          Another diagonal line

          March 2 eve-917

          March 3 eve-739

          23571113171923
          29313741434753596167
          717379838997101103107109
          113127131137139149151157163167
          173179181191193197199211223227
          229233239241251257263269271277
          281283293307311313317331337347
          349353359367373379383389397401
          409419421431433439443449457461
          463467479487491499503509521523
          541547557563569571577587593599
          601607613617619631641643647653
          659661673677683691701709719727
          733739743751757761769773787797
          809811821823827829839853857859
          863877881883887907911919929937
          941947953967971977983991997 

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            factorX,

            Pretty impressive that you were able to find a pattern like that, even if it doesn't work every time 

             

            Sat, Mar 19, 2016PennsylvaniaPick 3 Evening0-7-0
            Fri, Feb 26, 2016PennsylvaniaPick 3 Day0-6-4
            Wed, Apr 30, 2014PennsylvaniaPick 3 Day0-7-0
            Tue, Apr 8, 2014PennsylvaniaPick 3 Day0-6-4
            Mon, Mar 10, 2014PennsylvaniaPick 3 Evening0-6-4
            Thu, Feb 21, 2013PennsylvaniaPick 3 Day0-7-0
            Sat, Sep 29, 2012PennsylvaniaPick 3 Day0-7-0
            Fri, Sep 7, 2012PennsylvaniaPick 3 Evening0-6-4
            Thu, Sep 6, 2012PennsylvaniaPick 3 Evening0-7-0
            Wed, Feb 15, 2012PennsylvaniaPick 3 Evening0-6-4

             

            I wonder if  it ever works in Illinois...

            It's not hard, just create a dictionary of every number pair within a window of days (I arbitrarily use 30 to 40, we tried up to 1000 days without better results), then sort the dictionary on the first number + the second number + the number of days, then accumulate a list of the pairings that have happened more than once and reconcile it with the numbers which have fallen most recently within the window you chose to begin with. 

            Actually, it sounds hard to me, unless you can write your own software to do the searching.


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              Yes, I posted it this morning and it won. I just picked the wrong number of the two, $#@! I can be forgiven for picking the wrong one of of the two since I highlighted them both (I hope).

              Here's a copy of the chart I posted. 

              02/20/2016 669,963 | 12/15/2015 669,958
              02/21/2016 979,598 | 12/16/2015 080,829
              02/22/2016 670,658 | 12/17/2015 952,158
              02/23/2016 678,765 | 12/18/2015 126,620
              02/24/2016 273,239 | 12/19/2015 988,020
              02/25/2016 742,175 | 12/20/2015 452,175
              02/26/2016 649,387 | 12/21/2015 281,506
              02/27/2016 013,556 | 12/22/2015 870,894
              02/28/2016 244,451 | 12/23/2015 156,573
              02/29/2016 052,443 | 12/24/2015 001,424
              03/01/2016 838,533 | 12/25/2015 217,457
              03/02/2016 874,917 | 12/26/2015 096,077
              03/03/2016 258,739 | 12/27/2015 047,579
              03/04/2016 014,869 | 12/28/2015 159,395
              03/05/2016 063,761 | 12/29/2015 830,051
              03/06/2016 805,409 | 12/30/2015 158,757
              03/07/2016 790,249 | 12/31/2015 283,313
              03/08/2016 475,033 | 01/01/2016 702,176
              03/09/2016 072,572 | 01/02/2016 076,193
              03/10/2016 033,950 | 01/03/2016 739,459
              03/11/2016 833,174 | 01/04/2016 770,768
              03/12/2016 152,869 | 01/05/2016 260,821
              03/13/2016 146,001 | 01/06/2016 387,692
              03/14/2016 742,633 | 01/07/2016 311,728
              03/15/2016 815,063 | 01/08/2016 399,819
              03/16/2016 731,084 | 01/09/2016 199,197
              03/17/2016 851,992 | 01/10/2016 995,141
              03/18/2016 768,618 | 01/11/2016 677,925
              03/19/2016 344,050 | 01/12/2016 903,975
              03/20/2016 614,212 | 01/13/2016 014,563
              03/21/2016 xxx,xxx | 01/14/2016 632,954 

              I admit, I called the 632 and it turned out to be the 954 straight, but I still think it's a little creepy that I posted two numbers, highlighted them both, and it turned out to be one of the two where it was supposed to be...

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                Am I looking at the wrong results page? Because I got 910 at Pennsylvania evening Pick 3 for today. Not 954.

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                  Am I looking at the wrong results page? Because I got 910 at Pennsylvania evening Pick 3 for today. Not 954.

                  the thread he linked to is for Florida

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                    the thread he linked to is for Florida

                    Oh right my bad.

                    I did some math and if I didn't make any mistakes, the chances of that happening by luck are slightly over 16%. Which is about 1 in 6.

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                      Yes, I posted it this morning and it won. I just picked the wrong number of the two, $#@! I can be forgiven for picking the wrong one of of the two since I highlighted them both (I hope).

                      Here's a copy of the chart I posted. 

                      02/20/2016 669,963 | 12/15/2015 669,958
                      02/21/2016 979,598 | 12/16/2015 080,829
                      02/22/2016 670,658 | 12/17/2015 952,158
                      02/23/2016 678,765 | 12/18/2015 126,620
                      02/24/2016 273,239 | 12/19/2015 988,020
                      02/25/2016 742,175 | 12/20/2015 452,175
                      02/26/2016 649,387 | 12/21/2015 281,506
                      02/27/2016 013,556 | 12/22/2015 870,894
                      02/28/2016 244,451 | 12/23/2015 156,573
                      02/29/2016 052,443 | 12/24/2015 001,424
                      03/01/2016 838,533 | 12/25/2015 217,457
                      03/02/2016 874,917 | 12/26/2015 096,077
                      03/03/2016 258,739 | 12/27/2015 047,579
                      03/04/2016 014,869 | 12/28/2015 159,395
                      03/05/2016 063,761 | 12/29/2015 830,051
                      03/06/2016 805,409 | 12/30/2015 158,757
                      03/07/2016 790,249 | 12/31/2015 283,313
                      03/08/2016 475,033 | 01/01/2016 702,176
                      03/09/2016 072,572 | 01/02/2016 076,193
                      03/10/2016 033,950 | 01/03/2016 739,459
                      03/11/2016 833,174 | 01/04/2016 770,768
                      03/12/2016 152,869 | 01/05/2016 260,821
                      03/13/2016 146,001 | 01/06/2016 387,692
                      03/14/2016 742,633 | 01/07/2016 311,728
                      03/15/2016 815,063 | 01/08/2016 399,819
                      03/16/2016 731,084 | 01/09/2016 199,197
                      03/17/2016 851,992 | 01/10/2016 995,141
                      03/18/2016 768,618 | 01/11/2016 677,925
                      03/19/2016 344,050 | 01/12/2016 903,975
                      03/20/2016 614,212 | 01/13/2016 014,563
                      03/21/2016 xxx,xxx | 01/14/2016 632,954 

                      I admit, I called the 632 and it turned out to be the 954 straight, but I still think it's a little creepy that I posted two numbers, highlighted them both, and it turned out to be one of the two where it was supposed to be...

                      You've given me some great ideas.

                      I kind of get the idea of what you're doing. Been trying my own version. Looking for coincidences. 

                      Florida,

                      March 18 eve-618

                      March 19 eve-050

                       

                      Fri, Dec 18, 20151-2-66-2-04-1-1-82-2-8-5
                      Thu, Dec 17, 20159-5-21-5-83-8-8-77-7-6-1
                      Wed, Dec 16, 20150-8-08-2-97-4-3-71-2-6-9
                      Tue, Dec 15, 20156-6-99-5-80-4-3-87-2-2-7
                      Mon, Dec 14, 20158-2-68-8-07-1-5-05-6-1-4
                      Sun, Dec 13, 20158-9-48-0-42-1-8-69-2-0-7

                       

                      So go back maybe a year or more and look for these anomalies, and record the 27 or less combos below it.