United States Member #173767 March 18, 2016 223 Posts Offline

Posted: March 27, 2016, 5:31 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Lildarryl on March 24, 2016

Play on paper for a year. Keep track of all wins. If u ever hit. Go out and buy a cheeseburger and fries. If u ever hit straight go to Asian massage parlor. Get a four hand massage. Good luck

LOL!!!! Thx Lildarryl I will take that into consideration!!!!!!!

United States Member #173767 March 18, 2016 223 Posts Offline

Posted: March 27, 2016, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by MoneyMike$ on March 24, 2016

Sounds like you should have never drifted away from your own gameplay that started in your mind.. I can tell you your mind is your best strategy.. AS far as best strategies i'll also tell you it's best you wake up everyday and refresh your mind with fresh #'s and dig deep and serch for winning numbers.. never go with your first instinct because the second or third time you tweak your number is when you'll feel most confident.. Back to where you were with your confidence.. I would not say Win 4 pays my bills but I know I made roughly over $10,000 in 2015.. In 2016 I think i've only made $200-300 so far.. just to be honest.. Triples i'd say stay away from triples as the scenario is unlikely and you can see it through stats it is not evenly spread with the other #'s as far as 24-way numbers.. I'd rather play a double # then a triple as you may can guess.. You pick a double you now ONLY have to pick another two as you have just selected a PAIR in one shot that can be lethal to your game.. turning pick 4 for that day into a 2 # game.. It's all about simplifying the game as much as possible.. GOING with your calculated gut feeling or "hypothesis" for the draw.. BELIEVE- confidence hand in hand.. Why not feel good about the #'s you are picking.. Most of the time some players play and probably dont even feel there #'s out hence = losses.. On my best days and straight wins and good box hits I always felt these were the #'s for the draw because of my strategy and calculations.. My startegy isn't very complex I just break the game down into groups.. to simplify.. Despite what we may think there aren't many ways or scenarios to deal with these #'s.. There are only #'s from 0-9 (10#'s).. Most of the time you can eliminate the 0 its up to you.. There's only even and odd #'s.. It can only show up 2 evens and 2 odds 3 odds 1 even 3 even 1 odd.. Pick your #'s in pairs.. Balance out your sums based on a few previous draws.. they do tend to stick around each other about 2-3 digits.. stay away from higher sums as 9999 hasn't hit in over 12 years i heard.. Rarely the sum is over 28 or 29.. SO it shows you alot of combs can be eliminaed.. Hope I helped take it from there

Thank you Money Mike! Yes you gave me something I can work with and I truly appreciate it!

United States Member #173767 March 18, 2016 223 Posts Offline

Posted: March 27, 2016, 5:42 pm - IP Logged

Thank you you took some time to respond and I appreciate your input. I truly feel there is some true in all of your comments and I will definitely take it all into consideration. However, I am going to continue to learn and get better and increase my odds of winning when I do play.

United States Member #153935 March 29, 2014 29 Posts Offline

Posted: March 27, 2016, 6:29 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by GwizQ1 on March 23, 2016

First off I want to thank you all for this website. Stategically playing the pick 3 and 4 lottery has totally changed my life. I no longer "give" the state money in the lottery game without winning from time to time. I started about 2 months ago using various different lottery strategies to help me with my pick 3 and pick 4 bets. When I first began, I was making approx 500-1000 additional income in playing lottery in NC and SC. I used the strategies as I was taught (317, 316, pyramid and mirrors) throwing all doubt to the wind. And won both Pick 3 and pick 4 all boxed wins but i played twice a day and multiple bets on my favorite numbers:). I had so much confidence that I would win that I swear I was so aligned with the universe I was destined to win. So I decided hey, I wanted to go for the BIG wins. That was about 6 weeks ago. I bought a few different software products to help and I swear ever since I have been losing MOST of the time. I have won maybe 4 times in the last 6 weeks and small amounts (ie. $40.00) so I come to this website and I even compared my numbers against many of the regular winners and I swear I can even win using their numbers LOL!!!!! I am beginning to think someone has put a 'root' on me!!!!! I have such low confident and usually will have 2 of the 3 numbers that hit almost everytime i play lately, that I am conditioned to lose now.

So, I am going to go back to the basics and see if I can re-teach myself how to pick my numbers with more confidence. However I have questions for you Experts and Hitters out there:

HOW MANY OF YOU DO THIS FOR A LIVING? AND MAKE ENOUGH INCOME TO PAY YOUR BILLS?

IF YOU ARE OPEN TO IT, PLEASE ADVISE WHAT STRATEGIES DO YOU THINK ARE THE BEST TO USE AND WHICH ONES ARE JUNK?

I keep seeing triples in my workouts today (666 111 999 444 777 000 555) but usually a "mirrored' version of whatever number hits is what shows up in SC instead of a triple. So my question is....is there a usual time when you will notice a bunch of triples coming up in your workouts, but no triple hits?

Why do many of you predictors post all the same numbers for all the states?

Is it better to just pick a set of numbers on Monday and just keep playing them over and over again for the week? How do you do that anyways?

Why do most triples tend to hit on Sundays (at least that is what I have noticed since I started tracking it)?

Are there certain states that trend together?

Why does it seem its easier to hit Northern States or is that just me?LOL

How many of you believe in the laws of attraction as it pertains to your success?

What other advice would you give newbies like me?

Are there any others who feel the way I do or who are dealing with losing streaks right now?

Thank you in advance. Many of you are friends in my head and you dont even know it yet:). Mostly I think of you guys as celebrities and its always great to see how many of you are supportive of one another and always congratulating each other when you hit.....

Indiana United States Member #150273 December 18, 2013 495 Posts Offline

Posted: March 27, 2016, 8:49 pm - IP Logged

The moment someone says they are making a living and earning enough income to pay their bills from the lottery is when red flags immediately go up. The person is either not based in reality on how much their spending verse how much their winning, or their trying to pull a fast one with false claims. I have yet to see someone pick one state and nail the numbers for that state on the same consistent bases they claim to be winning.

"Without wood a fire goes out; without gossip, conflict calms down.

Like adding charcoal to embers or wood to fire, quarrelsome people kindle strife."

United States Member #173767 March 18, 2016 223 Posts Offline

Posted: March 28, 2016, 8:23 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Candlelight777 on March 27, 2016

The moment someone says they are making a living and earning enough income to pay their bills from the lottery is when red flags immediately go up. The person is either not based in reality on how much their spending verse how much their winning, or their trying to pull a fast one with false claims. I have yet to see someone pick one state and nail the numbers for that state on the same consistent bases they claim to be winning.

Thanks Candlelight7777,

I believe the majority of people would agree with you.

However, I think of those of you who have been doing it for years wouldn't stick with it so long unless you are making some sort of income. I see the regular predictors winning everyday. They may not 'make a living' doing this but possibly supplementing their income at worst and working in a capacity which gives them more freedom to post here at best. Would any of you be willing to confirm or deny this? All comments are appreciated. I am interested in knowing truly how well you all who post regular in terms of percentages are doing. Either way, if there are any people who are just playing the lottery for a living and winning, they are the exception, not the rule.....thanks for your comments!

United States Member #51269 April 3, 2007 529 Posts Offline

Posted: March 28, 2016, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by GwizQ1 on March 28, 2016

Thanks Candlelight7777,

I believe the majority of people would agree with you.

However, I think of those of you who have been doing it for years wouldn't stick with it so long unless you are making some sort of income. I see the regular predictors winning everyday. They may not 'make a living' doing this but possibly supplementing their income at worst and working in a capacity which gives them more freedom to post here at best. Would any of you be willing to confirm or deny this? All comments are appreciated. I am interested in knowing truly how well you all who post regular in terms of percentages are doing. Either way, if there are any people who are just playing the lottery for a living and winning, they are the exception, not the rule.....thanks for your comments!

I deny it. People claim to, but never demonstrate. You can check and see for yourself. Look at what those regular predictors are "winning" everyday and compare it to what they're spending. Look at the Lifetime statistics. Even the ones who have hit a small jackpot, twice even, or are hot for the month are STILL in the hole.

United States Member #165541 April 12, 2015 554 Posts Offline

Posted: March 28, 2016, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Lildarryl on March 24, 2016

Play on paper for a year. Keep track of all wins. If u ever hit. Go out and buy a cheeseburger and fries. If u ever hit straight go to Asian massage parlor. Get a four hand massage. Good luck

I thought that if you ever did hit. I mean non amazon hits. You would really treat yourself and go for some frozen milk.

Ok Lil darryl, milk lover. Your new nick name is obviously now and forever "Four Hands" At least until you get banned again.

United States Member #165541 April 12, 2015 554 Posts Offline

Posted: March 28, 2016, 4:32 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by LottoBux on March 23, 2016

Why do many of you predictors post all the same numbers for all the states?

I Haven't Predicted For Some Time Now,But When I Did I Predicted For "All States"

To Do A Workout For Each State Would Probably Take Me 10-15 Minutes/State.

Predictions For The Day Must Be In By 10AM

Do That For All States That Are Listed Would Take Way Too Long.

Anyone With A Gold Or Platinum Membership Can Inspect The Previous Draws For "All States" Combined

You Could Go For Sums/Root Sums/Colder Digits/Pairs Etc. That Hadn't Hit The Previous Day In All States.

Do Your Workout And Post Your Picks

Why do many of you predictors post all the same numbers for all the states?

Good question!!

I think it is a two part answer.

1) People are two lazy to place specific bets for specific states. Or they dont have the charts or skill. Since the original calendar website went down, many players have to do more work.

2) The culture of lottery post originally grew out of an ability to play at one of these costa rican/bahamaian websites.

Funny thing is that I have a friend who went to prison for six months for his desire to play/facilitate games at one of these wevsites.

Playing all states does not help a system player. It is for dreamers mostly.

That is why the state of the day challenge is interesting to me.

I am sorry I have not contributed more to that thread, but I am trying to fry some bigger fish.

Wyomissing, PA United States Member #161050 November 15, 2014 301 Posts Offline

Posted: March 28, 2016, 6:55 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by GwizQ1 on March 27, 2016

Thank you you took some time to respond and I appreciate your input. I truly feel there is some true in all of your comments and I will definitely take it all into consideration. However, I am going to continue to learn and get better and increase my odds of winning when I do play.

Do some back-testing of various systems / strategies you're considering against past lottery results. For example, a system such as playing triples only after 50 to 100 draws has past since the previous one. Seems like a winning strategy, but is it? Alternatively, playing triples within say the first 25 draws since the last one. Would either strategy have worked in Pennsylvania Pick 3? Maybe... But would have depended, in large part, on whether one played either Day or Night or both Day and Night.

Here are some stats from PA Lottery past draws:

PA Pick 3 Day Drawings Triples (RNG draw machine):

** 8 times since 1/1/2012 ** Approx # of draws: 1548 -- 15 triples expected; 8 actual.

For Day, there was a nearly 2 year period with no triples drawn. Play triples only after 50 to 100 draws in 2013 would been a huge money loser. Though in 2015, could have been ok, though leaving money on the table later due to clusters of triples drawn. In contrast, playing triples for a short time only after a previous triple would have been worthwhile in 2015, but no good in 2013.

For Night, there were lots of triples well distributed over the time period making the play only after 50 to 100 draws ok, and potentially profitable. Playing triples shortly after a previous triple could have worked out ok too. Really came down to timing and some luck, but then it's the lottery, afterall.

Various strategies seem promising, but one never knows when a drought or streak will begin nor end. Several years ago, PA Pick 4 had multiple quads in the same year and then little. Those who happen to play during the streak made out great, but if they continued playing long afterwards, gave a lot back. While others, thinking there couldn't be more quads drawn so soon, lost out.

In short, one can potentially improve their chances of choosing winning numbers, but play long and heavy enough, one will near certain lose money due to the huge house margin of upwards of 50% on numbers games - that's a huge hurdle to overcome with any system / strategy.

United States Member #161539 December 3, 2014 328 Posts Offline

Posted: March 29, 2016, 6:50 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Ron5995 on March 28, 2016

Do some back-testing of various systems / strategies you're considering against past lottery results. For example, a system such as playing triples only after 50 to 100 draws has past since the previous one. Seems like a winning strategy, but is it? Alternatively, playing triples within say the first 25 draws since the last one. Would either strategy have worked in Pennsylvania Pick 3? Maybe... But would have depended, in large part, on whether one played either Day or Night or both Day and Night.

Here are some stats from PA Lottery past draws:

PA Pick 3 Day Drawings Triples (RNG draw machine):

** 8 times since 1/1/2012 ** Approx # of draws: 1548 -- 15 triples expected; 8 actual.

For Day, there was a nearly 2 year period with no triples drawn. Play triples only after 50 to 100 draws in 2013 would been a huge money loser. Though in 2015, could have been ok, though leaving money on the table later due to clusters of triples drawn. In contrast, playing triples for a short time only after a previous triple would have been worthwhile in 2015, but no good in 2013.

For Night, there were lots of triples well distributed over the time period making the play only after 50 to 100 draws ok, and potentially profitable. Playing triples shortly after a previous triple could have worked out ok too. Really came down to timing and some luck, but then it's the lottery, afterall.

Various strategies seem promising, but one never knows when a drought or streak will begin nor end. Several years ago, PA Pick 4 had multiple quads in the same year and then little. Those who happen to play during the streak made out great, but if they continued playing long afterwards, gave a lot back. While others, thinking there couldn't be more quads drawn so soon, lost out.

In short, one can potentially improve their chances of choosing winning numbers, but play long and heavy enough, one will near certain lose money due to the huge house margin of upwards of 50% on numbers games - that's a huge hurdle to overcome with any system / strategy.

Ron ... interesting results and more fuel to the discussion of RNG numbers over "bouncing ball" number picks.

When I did play the Pick 3 many years back ... I never played the Pick 3 afternoon game after it started ... only the Pick 3 evening game.

So looking at your above results posted ... perhaps more reason to avoid RNG games ... especially if a player is talking and spending their own money against such a huge house advantage.

Has the RNG chip been programmed to not allow many triples to come out ... very possible and probably very easy to do.

Is it a flaw in the chip itself at the time of manufacture? ... intentional or unintentional at the request of a state lottery?

Maybe all just a coincidence but with RNGs already in other lottery states proven to have had "problems" in the past ... it's just a good idea to avoid games with RNGs picking numbers.

Also don't forget ... a player playing QPs is "doing battle" against two RNGs ... when you buy your ticket and when the numbers are drawn ... so trying to win some money against two RNGs is a tall order.

The first RNG can be avoided by never buying QPs and the second RNG can be avoided by only playing a game with "bouncing balls" ... of course nothing is 100% but if a person is talking or playing some serious money then the odds would seem to be more in a player's favor avoiding RNG machines altogether.

Wyomissing, PA United States Member #161050 November 15, 2014 301 Posts Offline

Posted: March 30, 2016, 1:33 pm - IP Logged

EDIT: I just checked my numbers, and guess what was drawn today in the Day ... 777. Go figure. I was thinking of playing triples too. Maybe next time.

From my understanding, pseudo-random number generators (RNGs) will draw numbers with differing short-term distribution patterns (ie. clusters and non-clusters) than non-computerized methods, such as balls. However, both methods should result in the same very long-term distribution of numbers. Ie. 100 million Pick 3 draws should result in nearly exactly 1 million triples regardless of whether balls or RNG is used.

So there are two factors to consider:

Is the RNG designed, programmed, and configured properly? (as you point out, this isn't always the case)

Does a given RNG result in sequences that have discernible patterns? (many poorly crafted RNGs experience this, and can be exploited)

It's important to note that RNGs in terminals are generally not certified as being "random" or even anything close to it. Quick-picks shouldn't be assumed as random, nor do lotteries promote them as being that; QPs aren't RPs.

To digress a bit, random is very difficult to define. While "random" numbers should result in a similar distribution of all numbers in a set long term, the actual sequence is impossible to define exactly. What should randomness truly look like. From my understanding, no one really knows...

In my view, balls will always be more "random" than a strictly computerized RNG. A non-ball RNG that strongly utilizes an outside factor, such as radiation decay counts from a radioactive source, could be a suitable substitute. But to my knowledge, all RNGs used by lotteries generate random numbers primarily utilizing various mathematical algorithms that should result in randomness, but is an open question whether any of them truly do.

Maybe the lack of triples for Day between 1/1/2012 and late March 2016 was a possible, expected statistical variance, or something was different about the RNG; drawings fixed? In my view, either is possible, since 8 instead of 15 while being a large variance, isn't totally out of the realm of possibilities given the smallish sample size.

Ran some more stats for the 4 year period prior to that I posted. The triples count for both both Day and Evening are nearly identical; both exceed the number statistically expected.

Here are some more stats from PA Lottery past draws from 1/1/2008 to 1/1/2012:

PA Pick 3 Day Drawings Triples (RNG draw machine):

** 18 times between 1/1/2008 and 1/1/2012 ** Approx # of draws: 1461 -- 14 triples expected; 18 actual.

2010 was a great year to play triples. However, even so, if one wagered on them every day for the entire year, they could have still lost a little money. $5 (all 10 at $.50) X 730 draws (day and evening) is $3600 while 14 hits at $250 each is $3500 total. In reality, even a somewhat savvy player would have likely come out somewhat ahead by varying their wager, etc. Very difficult to get way ahead. The 50% house advantage cuts in deeply even during winning streaks.

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19893 Posts Offline

Posted: March 30, 2016, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on March 24, 2016

especially about pick-3 games. In the last fiscal year, the PA lottery had $311 million in pick-3 wagers and $155 million was paid out to winners. And that 50/50 payoff applies to all pick-3 games leaving plenty of money for players to share. Many of the LP members are discussing the jackpot games where players must beat over 900,000 to 1 odds to win $100 playing PB when odds of winning $500 or $5000 playing pick-3 are much better.

"Many of the LP members are discussing the jackpot games where players must beat over 900,000 to 1 odds to win $100 playing PB ......."

*odds of matching 3of5 + 1 bonus number in PB for $100 = 1:14,494 odds of matching 4of5 + 0 bonus number in PB for $100 = 1:36,525 odds of matching 4of5 + 1 bonus numder in PB for $50000 = 1:913,129

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

Slovenia Member #172924 February 9, 2016 46 Posts Offline

Posted: March 30, 2016, 2:46 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Ron5995 on March 30, 2016

EDIT: I just checked my numbers, and guess what was drawn today in the Day ... 777. Go figure. I was thinking of playing triples too. Maybe next time.

From my understanding, pseudo-random number generators (RNGs) will draw numbers with differing short-term distribution patterns (ie. clusters and non-clusters) than non-computerized methods, such as balls. However, both methods should result in the same very long-term distribution of numbers. Ie. 100 million Pick 3 draws should result in nearly exactly 1 million triples regardless of whether balls or RNG is used.

So there are two factors to consider:

Is the RNG designed, programmed, and configured properly? (as you point out, this isn't always the case)

Does a given RNG result in sequences that have discernible patterns? (many poorly crafted RNGs experience this, and can be exploited)

It's important to note that RNGs in terminals are generally not certified as being "random" or even anything close to it. Quick-picks shouldn't be assumed as random, nor do lotteries promote them as being that; QPs aren't RPs.

To digress a bit, random is very difficult to define. While "random" numbers should result in a similar distribution of all numbers in a set long term, the actual sequence is impossible to define exactly. What should randomness truly look like. From my understanding, no one really knows...

In my view, balls will always be more "random" than a strictly computerized RNG. A non-ball RNG that strongly utilizes an outside factor, such as radiation decay counts from a radioactive source, could be a suitable substitute. But to my knowledge, all RNGs used by lotteries generate random numbers primarily utilizing various mathematical algorithms that should result in randomness, but is an open question whether any of them truly do.

Maybe the lack of triples for Day between 1/1/2012 and late March 2016 was a possible, expected statistical variance, or something was different about the RNG; drawings fixed? In my view, either is possible, since 8 instead of 15 while being a large variance, isn't totally out of the realm of possibilities given the smallish sample size.

Ran some more stats for the 4 year period prior to that I posted. The triples count for both both Day and Evening are nearly identical; both exceed the number statistically expected.

Here are some more stats from PA Lottery past draws from 1/1/2008 to 1/1/2012:

PA Pick 3 Day Drawings Triples (RNG draw machine):

** 18 times between 1/1/2008 and 1/1/2012 ** Approx # of draws: 1461 -- 14 triples expected; 18 actual.

2010 was a great year to play triples. However, even so, if one wagered on them every day for the entire year, they could have still lost a little money. $5 (all 10 at $.50) X 730 draws (day and evening) is $3600 while 14 hits at $250 each is $3500 total. In reality, even a somewhat savvy player would have likely come out somewhat ahead by varying their wager, etc. Very difficult to get way ahead. The 50% house advantage cuts in deeply even during winning streaks.

All the patterns that I found posted on these forums were well within the practical limits of randomness after I calculated how likely is the pattern to appear by chance. Also for your own claims regarding the number of expected triplets below;

number of draws: 1461

probability of more than 18 triplets: 15.3%

probability of exactly 18 triplets: 6.5%

probability of exactly 17 triplets: 8.0%

probability of exactly 16 triplets: 9.4%

probability of exactly 15 triplets: 10.2%

probability of exactly 14 triplets: 10.5%

probability of exactly 13 triplets: 10.0%

probability of exactly 12 triplets: 8.9%

probability of exactly 11 triplets: 7.3%

probability of less than 11 triplets: 13.7%

While you are correct that 14 triplets in 1461 draws is the most likely occurrence, its probability is still very low (just a little over 10%). The most likely does not mean likely. It is almost 90% likely that the number of triplets will be something other than 14. Also, it is more likely that there will be more than 18 triplets (15.3%), than exactly 14 triplets. So the claim that 14 triplets are expected is an erroneous claim or at least inaccurate.

The reason why this is important is because this non intuitive behaviour of randomness is usually taken as evidence of failure of RNGs or of lottery rigging. But one only needs a little understanding of the probability theory and combinatorics to calculate these probabilities on his own, and determine that human's perceptions of randomness are way different from how randomness truly behaves.

I am no fan of RNGs, but despite the fact that they are not truly random, their quality of randomness is still beyond all fears. Not even if someone generated billions of numbers and gave them to you, would you be able to calculate the hidden algorithm and predict the next number. Unless someone wants that to be possible. At uni, we used a geiger counter to produce true random numbers, but in the end they were no more useful than an elaborate RNG when comparing. The true reason why RNG's should be avoided are security risks and not doubts about their quality of randomness.

Behaviour of randomness is well understood and we can do all sorts of math with it. Including calculating how likely is a certain combination not to appear in a given number of trials, and no behaviour mentioned so far has fallen under extremely low probabilities that would raise suspicion. At least not among people who are math savvy and do not fall for common stereotypes about randomness.