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Mechanical Lottery Ball Machine and RNG.

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Posted: April 21, 2016, 5:38 pm - IP Logged

Hi all,

I wanted to know if they would be a difference about Mechanical Lottery Ball Machine and RNG draw ?

Did someone look if the patterns comparing both draw are similar are is there a deference ?

Personally, I do not like RNG become to my opinion it can be manipulated.

Thank you.

Frenchie.

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    Posted: April 21, 2016, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

    Hi all,

    I wanted to know if they would be a difference about Mechanical Lottery Ball Machine and RNG draw ?

    Did someone look if the patterns comparing both draw are similar are is there a deference ?

    Personally, I do not like RNG become to my opinion it can be manipulated.

    Thank you.

    • compared to  GA MECHANICAL VS. TN RNG..I would  say that  the rng pattern is  easier to  detect than mechanical ..not by much  though..it's  like  94% VS 82% in my  research and  play..

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      Illinois switched from balls to RNG Oct. 1, 2015. I only started playing/watching p3 after the switchover, I don't know if it's any more or less winable now vs. before.

      I wonder if anyone has backtested a good system on history before and after and seen much difference.

      Just eyeballing the history, I didn't notice anything much. Maybe a few more triples now.

       

      Oh, there is one thing. Lotto never used to be able to rollup past 10 million before. Since the change, it had a huge, long rollover streak to 24 million. That makes me wonder if non-winners were drawn purposely to gennerate more sales with the higher jackpot.  (But we also had the delayed payment fiasco during that time that must have really hurt sales.)

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        • compared to  GA MECHANICAL VS. TN RNG..I would  say that  the rng pattern is  easier to  detect than mechanical ..not by much  though..it's  like  94% VS 82% in my  research and  play..

        "like  94% VS 82% in my  research"

        Do you have the two patterns?  I like to compare them for myself.

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          Posted: April 21, 2016, 7:39 pm - IP Logged

          "like  94% VS 82% in my  research"

          Do you have the two patterns?  I like to compare them for myself.

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            • compared to  GA MECHANICAL VS. TN RNG..I would  say that  the rng pattern is  easier to  detect than mechanical ..not by much  though..it's  like  94% VS 82% in my  research and  play..

            bigdaddy,

            How do you make the difference if it's Mechanical or RNG ?

            what are you looking at ? can you explain, Thank you.

            Frenchie.

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              Posted: April 22, 2016, 2:16 am - IP Logged

              bigdaddy,

              How do you make the difference if it's Mechanical or RNG ?

              what are you looking at ? can you explain, Thank you.

              Frenchie.

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                Posted: May 8, 2016, 8:17 pm - IP Logged

                Hi all,

                I wanted to know if they would be a difference about Mechanical Lottery Ball Machine and RNG draw ?

                Did someone look if the patterns comparing both draw are similar are is there a deference ?

                Personally, I do not like RNG become to my opinion it can be manipulated.

                Thank you.

                Hi frencie,

                Your question is a worthy one, to be sure, just like the weight of one ball compared to another was found to differ because of the additional ink.

                My humble experience report after approx 25 years @ gaming ground zero, Las Vegas is: although serious keno players of live ball vs RNG Video Keno machines, may differ if the effect on their game plan is positive vs negative -  almost 95% concur that the distribution of of the number outcome is definitely different. Many say because the RNG number outcome average is modeled on the game odds therefore the Live has longer streaks that occur which the machine computate or cannot account for. 

                The consensus of most writers say the RNG is detrimental?

                Sorry I do not have scientific statistics and clearly as they always, "MORE STUDY IS NEEDED"

                Hope this honest effort helps or is at least interesting.

                 

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                  Posted: May 10, 2016, 1:12 pm - IP Logged

                  Frenchie

                  Years ago I ran some test and for the most part RNG's seem to hold closer to the expected than

                  ball droppers.  While they both run very close over time the RNG seems to stay on track while the

                  mechanical will swing back and forth.  That being said here in MO. the number 39 has not shown

                  in our 5-39 for 39 games and 13, 20 and 25 are all out more than 20 games.   The expected average

                  for any number for the 5-39 is a little less than 1 in 8.

                  RL

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                    Hard searches over long periods have shown that winners didn't complain about winning.

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                      Posted: May 10, 2016, 10:29 pm - IP Logged

                      Frenchie

                      Years ago I ran some test and for the most part RNG's seem to hold closer to the expected than

                      ball droppers.  While they both run very close over time the RNG seems to stay on track while the

                      mechanical will swing back and forth.  That being said here in MO. the number 39 has not shown

                      in our 5-39 for 39 games and 13, 20 and 25 are all out more than 20 games.   The expected average

                      for any number for the 5-39 is a little less than 1 in 8.

                      RL

                      Tonight's draw was 12-16-25-26-39.  Two of the longest out numbers hit, 25 and 39.

                      RL

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                        Tonight's draw was 12-16-25-26-39.  Two of the longest out numbers hit, 25 and 39.

                        RL

                        That also happened in the MM drawing last night, 22 which hadn't hit in 79 drawings finally came up.

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                          That also happened in the MM drawing last night, 22 which hadn't hit in 79 drawings finally came up.

                          I wonder how much money folks who play MM regularly spent believing that 22 would in the next winning combination?
                          The problem with cold numbers is that there are no useful clues indicating which one will fall next.

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                            I wonder how much money folks who play MM regularly spent believing that 22 would in the next winning combination?
                            The problem with cold numbers is that there are no useful clues indicating which one will fall next.

                            I doubt if very many did since 75% of the MM winning combinations since the last matrix change had all five numbers hit in the previous forty drawings or less.

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                              Tonight's draw was 12-16-25-26-39.  Two of the longest out numbers hit, 25 and 39.

                              RL

                              Hi Rl-

                              Hope I am not being redundant, but my experience show that most numbers will show within 20 games & a few could extend the streak from 30 - 40 games -  as long as the equipment & balls are checked to be in proper operating order. Once, after a forced inspection it showed damaged ball and another time the machine only drew 19 balls out of the required 20 (live)- Casino anomaly response  "well these things will happen from time to time"  as there was no assigned pit boss no one thought to ask for a no play or replay decision or even a refund. Wink

                              The aforementioned #12-16-25-26-39 could be considered a re-start wagering position & #25 & 39 could be a prime re-starting target if the above protocol's were referenced

                              Like the tables, over multi plays, mistakes & or equipment failure will occur -player vigilance always necessary

                               

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