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RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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Hi all

Below is a link to download a text file which has 216 pick-4 lines.  These lines averaged a P-4 str8

hit around 1.6 times every 30 games over the test that I ran.  The list was generated from a tool I

am working on and are not based on my games history so they should produce similar results for

any P-4 game.   Here in MO a p-4 straight pays $6K and it hit 4 times in around 2.5 months of draws.

This does not sound like much but 75*$216=16,200 for a 4*$6K=24,000 payout.  There were around

32 box hits over the same time but I did not track the payouts as there are different prizes for 3-way

6-way etc.. but I don't think the box play would come out ahead.   I don't suggest anyone play these

lines but posted them for anyone interested.   The tool is a work in progress and I will post new list

from time to time if the hits improve. 

RL     

https://app.box.com/s/o3gcpbk4ejvm801bvll5mdw7m2f9d80q

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    RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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    Just a thought but maybe one of the Excel programmers here can make a simple tool to test

    these lines against different states.  I would like to know how they stack up state to state.

    RL

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      lottoburg's avatar - wiggle
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      Just a thought but maybe one of the Excel programmers here can make a simple tool to test

      these lines against different states.  I would like to know how they stack up state to state.

      RL

      Hi, RL:

      Thanks for your smart Test!

      I think Winsum should make a simple tool to test these lines against different states

      by using Excel since he is the best Excel programmer here.

      Best regards,

      lb

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      • Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
      • Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.
        LottoBux's avatar - 2elh5if
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        Hi all

        Below is a link to download a text file which has 216 pick-4 lines.  These lines averaged a P-4 str8

        hit around 1.6 times every 30 games over the test that I ran.  The list was generated from a tool I

        am working on and are not based on my games history so they should produce similar results for

        any P-4 game.   Here in MO a p-4 straight pays $6K and it hit 4 times in around 2.5 months of draws.

        This does not sound like much but 75*$216=16,200 for a 4*$6K=24,000 payout.  There were around

        32 box hits over the same time but I did not track the payouts as there are different prizes for 3-way

        6-way etc.. but I don't think the box play would come out ahead.   I don't suggest anyone play these

        lines but posted them for anyone interested.   The tool is a work in progress and I will post new list

        from time to time if the hits improve. 

        RL     

        https://app.box.com/s/o3gcpbk4ejvm801bvll5mdw7m2f9d80q

        I Backtested Ontario For The Past 3 Months

        Found 5 Hits Within 75 Days And Another 77 Days Back.

        In Your Test,75 Days At 2 Draws/Day Would Be 150 Draws..

        This Would Come Out To $32,400 Spent(150*$216)

        Payout For 5 Straights At $5K Ea=$25K

        Still A Nice List,Nonetheless

        Would Have To Filter Down This List Somewhat

        Actually,

        We're Probably Due For Another One Of These To Hit Soon Since It's Been 3 Weeks.

        Fri, Apr 1, 2016OntarioPick 4 Midday2-1-2-8
        Wed, Mar 16, 2016OntarioPick 4 Evening6-4-4-0
        Wed, Mar 9, 2016OntarioPick 4 Evening6-4-3-2
        Wed, Mar 2, 2016OntarioPick 4 Midday5-7-2-0
        Mon, Feb 29, 2016OntarioPick 4 Evening2-1-4-4
        Sun, Feb 7, 2016OntarioPick 4 Midday0-4-2-4

        I Just Checked The Straight Hits

        I'll See How Many Boxed Hits There Were In That Time Span.

                               

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          Pick 4 Straights

          Combined Draws - Last 75 Draws

          Far right column is the total hits. Combined draws are 2 draws per day.  Calculations are drawings not days.

          So for example if a state has 2 draws per day 7 days a week I calculated only 75 past draws per Pick 4 game.

          P4CombinedStraight

           

          Evening Draws:

          P4 Evening Draws Straight

          Midday Draws:

          Midday Draws

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            Pick 4 Boxed Calculations

            From RL's 216 Pick 4 Sets I reduced them down to 165 removing the duplicate Pick 4 Boxed sets

            Combined Draws

            Total "boxed" hits - far right column - last 75 draws

            Combined Boxed

            Evening Draws - Boxed

            Evening Boxed

            Midday "boxed"

            Midday Boxed

              lottoburg's avatar - wiggle
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              Pick 4 Straights

              Combined Draws - Last 75 Draws

              Far right column is the total hits. Combined draws are 2 draws per day.  Calculations are drawings not days.

              So for example if a state has 2 draws per day 7 days a week I calculated only 75 past draws per Pick 4 game.

              P4CombinedStraight

               

              Evening Draws:

              P4 Evening Draws Straight

              Midday Draws:

              Midday Draws

              Great job! Steve!!!Thumbs Up

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              • Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
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                Thanks Steve and RL.

                Here is my upgraded tool for quick testing of your combinations against any state P3 and P4 data including triads up to 400 last draws (this should be enough).

                In RL case just remove dashes from his combinations and paste them into 2nd box, then keep selecting states.

                You'll automatically get test results after loading each state.

                Some people have used this tool all the time so far, before adding the state selection block today.

                Instead of loading states from database you can paste your data into box1 and click "Find" button.

                Data lines can be any length. Search options are "Any order" or "Exact order".

                 

                RLs combinations(no dashes):

                0016    1376     4112     5472
                0024    1384     4120     5480
                0032    1424     4128     5520
                0040    1432     4136     5528
                0080    1440     4176     5536
                0088    1448     4184     5544
                0096    1552     4192     5648
                0104    1560     4200     5656
                0144    1568     4240     5664
                0152    1576     4248     5672
                0160    1616     4256     5712
                0168    1624     4264     5720
                0272    1632     4368     5728
                0280    1640     4376     5736
                0288    1680     4384     5776
                0296    1688     4392     5784
                0336    1696     4432     5792
                0344    1704     4440     5800
                0352    2064     4448     6160
                0360    2072     4456     6168
                0400    2080     4496     6176
                0408    2088     4504     6184
                0416    2128     4512     6224
                0424    2136     4520     6232
                0528    2144     4624     6240
                0536    2152     4632     6248
                0544    2192     4640     6288
                0552    2200     4648     6296
                0592    2208     4688     6304
                0600    2216     4696     6312
                0608    2320     4704     6416
                0616    2328     4712     6424
                0656    2336     4752     6432
                0664    2344     4760     6440
                0672    2384     4768     6480
                0680    2392     4776     6488
                1040    2400     5136     6496
                1048    2408     5144     6504
                1056    2448     5152     6544
                1064    2456     5160     6552
                1104    2464     5200     6560
                1112    2472     5208     6568
                1120    2576     5216     6672
                1128    2584     5224     6680
                1168    2592     5264     6688
                1176    2600     5272     6696
                1184    2640     5280     6736
                1192    2648     5288     6744
                1296    2656     5392     6752
                1304    2664     5400     6760
                1312    2704     5408     6800
                1320    2712     5416     6808
                1360    2720     5456     6816
                1368    2728     5464     6824

                  LottoBux's avatar - 2elh5if
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                  Thanks Steve and RL.

                  Here is my upgraded tool for quick testing of your combinations against any state P3 and P4 data including triads up to 400 last draws (this should be enough).

                  In RL case just remove dashes from his combinations and paste them into 2nd box, then keep selecting states.

                  You'll automatically get test results after loading each state.

                  Some people have used this tool all the time so far, before adding the state selection block today.

                  Instead of loading states from database you can paste your data into box1 and click "Find" button.

                  Data lines can be any length. Search options are "Any order" or "Exact order".

                   

                  RLs combinations(no dashes):

                  0016    1376     4112     5472
                  0024    1384     4120     5480
                  0032    1424     4128     5520
                  0040    1432     4136     5528
                  0080    1440     4176     5536
                  0088    1448     4184     5544
                  0096    1552     4192     5648
                  0104    1560     4200     5656
                  0144    1568     4240     5664
                  0152    1576     4248     5672
                  0160    1616     4256     5712
                  0168    1624     4264     5720
                  0272    1632     4368     5728
                  0280    1640     4376     5736
                  0288    1680     4384     5776
                  0296    1688     4392     5784
                  0336    1696     4432     5792
                  0344    1704     4440     5800
                  0352    2064     4448     6160
                  0360    2072     4456     6168
                  0400    2080     4496     6176
                  0408    2088     4504     6184
                  0416    2128     4512     6224
                  0424    2136     4520     6232
                  0528    2144     4624     6240
                  0536    2152     4632     6248
                  0544    2192     4640     6288
                  0552    2200     4648     6296
                  0592    2208     4688     6304
                  0600    2216     4696     6312
                  0608    2320     4704     6416
                  0616    2328     4712     6424
                  0656    2336     4752     6432
                  0664    2344     4760     6440
                  0672    2384     4768     6480
                  0680    2392     4776     6488
                  1040    2400     5136     6496
                  1048    2408     5144     6504
                  1056    2448     5152     6544
                  1064    2456     5160     6552
                  1104    2464     5200     6560
                  1112    2472     5208     6568
                  1120    2576     5216     6672
                  1128    2584     5224     6680
                  1168    2592     5264     6688
                  1176    2600     5272     6696
                  1184    2640     5280     6736
                  1192    2648     5288     6744
                  1296    2656     5392     6752
                  1304    2664     5400     6760
                  1312    2704     5408     6800
                  1320    2712     5416     6808
                  1360    2720     5456     6816
                  1368    2728     5464     6824

                  Nice One mmx1

                                         

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                    Posted: April 24, 2016, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

                    Thanks Steve and RL.

                    Here is my upgraded tool for quick testing of your combinations against any state P3 and P4 data including triads up to 400 last draws (this should be enough).

                    In RL case just remove dashes from his combinations and paste them into 2nd box, then keep selecting states.

                    You'll automatically get test results after loading each state.

                    Some people have used this tool all the time so far, before adding the state selection block today.

                    Instead of loading states from database you can paste your data into box1 and click "Find" button.

                    Data lines can be any length. Search options are "Any order" or "Exact order".

                     

                    RLs combinations(no dashes):

                    0016    1376     4112     5472
                    0024    1384     4120     5480
                    0032    1424     4128     5520
                    0040    1432     4136     5528
                    0080    1440     4176     5536
                    0088    1448     4184     5544
                    0096    1552     4192     5648
                    0104    1560     4200     5656
                    0144    1568     4240     5664
                    0152    1576     4248     5672
                    0160    1616     4256     5712
                    0168    1624     4264     5720
                    0272    1632     4368     5728
                    0280    1640     4376     5736
                    0288    1680     4384     5776
                    0296    1688     4392     5784
                    0336    1696     4432     5792
                    0344    1704     4440     5800
                    0352    2064     4448     6160
                    0360    2072     4456     6168
                    0400    2080     4496     6176
                    0408    2088     4504     6184
                    0416    2128     4512     6224
                    0424    2136     4520     6232
                    0528    2144     4624     6240
                    0536    2152     4632     6248
                    0544    2192     4640     6288
                    0552    2200     4648     6296
                    0592    2208     4688     6304
                    0600    2216     4696     6312
                    0608    2320     4704     6416
                    0616    2328     4712     6424
                    0656    2336     4752     6432
                    0664    2344     4760     6440
                    0672    2384     4768     6480
                    0680    2392     4776     6488
                    1040    2400     5136     6496
                    1048    2408     5144     6504
                    1056    2448     5152     6544
                    1064    2456     5160     6552
                    1104    2464     5200     6560
                    1112    2472     5208     6568
                    1120    2576     5216     6672
                    1128    2584     5224     6680
                    1168    2592     5264     6688
                    1176    2600     5272     6696
                    1184    2640     5280     6736
                    1192    2648     5288     6744
                    1296    2656     5392     6752
                    1304    2664     5400     6760
                    1312    2704     5408     6800
                    1320    2712     5416     6808
                    1360    2720     5456     6816
                    1368    2728     5464     6824

                    Not to clear on what to do its a lot of boxes on website ?

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                      Thanks Steve and RL.

                      Here is my upgraded tool for quick testing of your combinations against any state P3 and P4 data including triads up to 400 last draws (this should be enough).

                      In RL case just remove dashes from his combinations and paste them into 2nd box, then keep selecting states.

                      You'll automatically get test results after loading each state.

                      Some people have used this tool all the time so far, before adding the state selection block today.

                      Instead of loading states from database you can paste your data into box1 and click "Find" button.

                      Data lines can be any length. Search options are "Any order" or "Exact order".

                       

                      RLs combinations(no dashes):

                      0016    1376     4112     5472
                      0024    1384     4120     5480
                      0032    1424     4128     5520
                      0040    1432     4136     5528
                      0080    1440     4176     5536
                      0088    1448     4184     5544
                      0096    1552     4192     5648
                      0104    1560     4200     5656
                      0144    1568     4240     5664
                      0152    1576     4248     5672
                      0160    1616     4256     5712
                      0168    1624     4264     5720
                      0272    1632     4368     5728
                      0280    1640     4376     5736
                      0288    1680     4384     5776
                      0296    1688     4392     5784
                      0336    1696     4432     5792
                      0344    1704     4440     5800
                      0352    2064     4448     6160
                      0360    2072     4456     6168
                      0400    2080     4496     6176
                      0408    2088     4504     6184
                      0416    2128     4512     6224
                      0424    2136     4520     6232
                      0528    2144     4624     6240
                      0536    2152     4632     6248
                      0544    2192     4640     6288
                      0552    2200     4648     6296
                      0592    2208     4688     6304
                      0600    2216     4696     6312
                      0608    2320     4704     6416
                      0616    2328     4712     6424
                      0656    2336     4752     6432
                      0664    2344     4760     6440
                      0672    2384     4768     6480
                      0680    2392     4776     6488
                      1040    2400     5136     6496
                      1048    2408     5144     6504
                      1056    2448     5152     6544
                      1064    2456     5160     6552
                      1104    2464     5200     6560
                      1112    2472     5208     6568
                      1120    2576     5216     6672
                      1128    2584     5224     6680
                      1168    2592     5264     6688
                      1176    2600     5272     6696
                      1184    2640     5280     6736
                      1192    2648     5288     6744
                      1296    2656     5392     6752
                      1304    2664     5400     6760
                      1312    2704     5408     6800
                      1320    2712     5416     6808
                      1360    2720     5456     6816
                      1368    2728     5464     6824

                      Is RL combinations 'exact order'?

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                        Is RL combinations 'exact order'?

                        never mind, got it.

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                          I only tested evening draws and it's only a test.  The 216 lines only account for 2 percent of possible lines

                          for a pick-4.  The same tool hit 3 each 5of5's for my 5-39 in 13 games but the list had around 25K lines. 

                          While it's not much help at this point it seems to show some promise for further development.   The odds

                          for 75 games are 75*216= 16200 / 4 = around 1 in 4050 which is around 60% better than those given

                          for a daily p-4.  I think I can improve the list quite a bit but it's too early to tell as it might just be a fluke.

                          Rl

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                            Steve

                            Nice workout but your totals for MO don't match mine.  I may have made a mistake as I had to run my test

                            one at a time and kept the counts in my head.  Does your list count all box hits as I had several games with

                            as many as 4 box hits for a single drawing.   From what you posted it looks like these lines fail to do well over

                            many states.  Oh well, I will keep working as I have lots of room to adjust the tool. 

                            RL

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                              Adobea78

                              I posted these for their straight hits but from winsums post they don't show advantage when applied to

                              several states as some had no hits at all.  I generated another list of 576 lines which does around 3x better

                              overall but I can't see any real value in a list that size for a pick-4 game.   The program is part of a pre-draw

                              tool I had hoped would reduce any matrix down to a fraction of it's original size and still maintain a large

                              percentage of prizes which it seems to do quite well for number games. 

                               

                              test

                              Here are the results for one 5-39 run.  The tool reduced from 575757 to 26,170 lines.  This list was generated

                              with zero user input and would make up the pool/lines used by the rest of the program.  Notice that the pool

                              shown above offers better odds for each prize level then those given for the full matrix.  Even when the 5of5 is

                              not in the list the lower level prizes are not decreased much which should produce more wins overall.  Here we

                              can see that the odds for a 4of5 hit selecting 1 line from this list is 1 in 26170/28=935 where the full matrix has

                              odds for a 4of5 of 1 in 3386.  IMHO as long as the lower level prize ratio remains at least as good as the odds

                              of the full matrix then there is no downside to playing from the much smaller matrix generated by this tool.  The

                              fewer the lines we start with means the fewer processes we need to reduce to a playable amount.  The fewer 

                              processes we have to apply means less mistakes.  Every choice we have to make in the reduction cycle has it's

                              own odds and these odds when combined reduces our chances for winning.  Fewer choices means fewer mistakes.

                              You may also notice that the odds for a non-winning line/prise increased which is another positive aspect.  I am

                              sure that I can reduce this list even more without much effect on the prize ratios for number games but the daily

                              pick-3 and pick-4 may not offer the same value because there are no lower level prizes for these games.  My main

                              focus is on reducing my cost by winning more lower level prizes.  I do not think one can gain much advantage over

                              the 5of5 or JP prizes so we are left with the only one way which is to play more lines.  This however is a good way 

                              to break the bank unless we can increase our lower level wins.

                              RL

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