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Wisconsin3054

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May 6, 2016, 10:36 am

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on May 6, 2016
People see things differently. I personally don't use a matrix. I find it produces as many numbers as others. Doesn't mean it doesn't work for some. Find a pattern, see groups, whatever.

In actuality, you are wrong. You are wrong in that people don't find success in what they are doing. They do. The determination of how much success is up to them. If they hit this or that, it's a hit. If they miss, it's a miss. My goal is to hit the pick 3 consistently at a 70-75 % rate. Maybe I play every day, maybe I don't. Depends on what I see, If it "feels" right. Most are the same. I think if I can do that, I've certainly exceeded odds or probability. My method is a little too complex for some, so be it. I play more combos than most. So be it. It works for me. I use method, patterns, trends. From you're comments they don't work for you. So it goes. I've shared what I do. some like, some don't.

Some poster's believe certain numbers or actions bring others. Trend, random, pattern,whatever....it works for them. If it doesn't work for others, there are other ways. One game, many ways to get there.

Your comments don't include name calling I will agree. But they are sarcastic, and always point the same thing. Nothing more exact or successful than "random". You've stated that enough, we get it.

I posted the statement about discussing lottery and sharing insights, do you have any? If it is all random, and nothing to be made from it. why are you here?

I don't think I've said that nobody has success with what they do. I try to look at the specifics and not just generalities.

I think you are wrong when you say some systems may work for some people and not for others. The numbers are the same numbers for everyone. The system either produces or doesn't. Shouldn't matter who it is playing. And in my view, producing means results better than what randomly generated numbers would give.

Its not me who pushes the big idea that the lottery may be random. It is the whole concept of the the lottery. It is proclaimed to be random. And the operators make huge profits with it being random, so they do not have a great incentive to intentionally make it not random. Is it possible that it is intentionally or unintentionally not random? Yes, I believe that is possible. However, due to the premise of the game my starting point is that it is random but I am seeking evidence that it is not. I haven't seen convincing evidence yet but I have an open mind, just not a blindly open mind.
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May 6, 2016, 10:39 am

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on May 6, 2016
I don't think I've said that nobody has success with what they do. I try to look at the specifics and not just generalities.

I think you are wrong when you say some systems may work for some people and not for others. The numbers are the same numbers for everyone. The system either produces or doesn't. Shouldn't matter who it is playing. And in my view, producing means results better than what randomly generated numbers would give.

Its not me who pushes the big idea that the lottery may be random. It is the whole concept of the the lottery. It is proclaimed to be random. And the operators make huge profits with it being random, so they do not have a great incentive to intentionally make it not random. Is it possible that it is intentionally or unintentionally not random? Yes, I believe that is possible. However, due to the premise of the game my starting point is that it is random but I am seeking evidence that it is not. I haven't seen convincing evidence yet but I have an open mind, just not a blindly open mind.

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Wisconsin3054

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May 6, 2016, 10:58 am

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on May 6, 2016

jayhawk-

Is this the type of helpful and insightful post you prefer?
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May 6, 2016, 11:06 am

I think we have probably moved past the area of "systems" to "discussion".

I will take a few things of what you say and address it. You say you have an open mind..........

I will take a few of the person's you have targeted. Lakerben has produced methods that have had success. Some more than others. Yet you say his method is no better than random. Really?

Remember the definition of random? 1A: Lacking definite plan, purpose or pattern.

2A. relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence. Etc. Read it again if you wish.

So, if a method or system can produce a combination that has just as much probability as not, and it hits. does it move past random? Or did we just exploit it's probability as more possible than not just possible. That's what a method or system just do. Not just possible but more probable than not just possible.

Same for Blackapple. If method produces at a rate that is better than random, or can occur more than it does not, this is random? Or again did we exploit it's probability?

I don't know all Lakerben's methods. But I have tested some. having something is better than nothing. See 1A.

I have tested Blackapple's. They work more often not. But require more effort than most are willing to put in.

So, again I ask....... Have something better?

Did you do your tracking today ??
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May 6, 2016, 11:11 am

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on May 6, 2016
jayhawk-

Is this the type of helpful and insightful post you prefer?

He is stating his opinion as you did in far less words.

And you have stated doubt in any person's success. If I have that success, I would not be totally honest about it. I would share if it works. You want to know how much? Test it.

People must have success or they would not be doing what they do still. Again that level of success depends on what they want to achieve.

Quite frankly, most of what you posted wasn't believable. You should go back and read your post's.

Did you do your tracking today ??
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May 6, 2016, 11:11 am

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on May 6, 2016
jayhawk-

Is this the type of helpful and insightful post you prefer?

It's right on the mark. Paragraphs of bs do nothing to help the members. Take some time to about it and maybe you will agree.

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Wisconsin3054

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May 6, 2016, 11:46 am

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on May 6, 2016
I think we have probably moved past the area of "systems" to "discussion".

I will take a few things of what you say and address it. You say you have an open mind..........

I will take a few of the person's you have targeted. Lakerben has produced methods that have had success. Some more than others. Yet you say his method is no better than random. Really?

Remember the definition of random? 1A: Lacking definite plan, purpose or pattern.

2A. relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence. Etc. Read it again if you wish.

So, if a method or system can produce a combination that has just as much probability as not, and it hits. does it move past random? Or did we just exploit it's probability as more possible than not just possible. That's what a method or system just do. Not just possible but more probable than not just possible.

Same for Blackapple. If method produces at a rate that is better than random, or can occur more than it does not, this is random? Or again did we exploit it's probability?

I don't know all Lakerben's methods. But I have tested some. having something is better than nothing. See 1A.

I have tested Blackapple's. They work more often not. But require more effort than most are willing to put in.

So, again I ask....... Have something better?

Where did I target Lakerben's system or systems? When did I say his method is no better than random?

As far as I can see, I have commented in one of Lakerben's threads. There, I asked questions about the system and tried to figure out what predictions it was making. Yes, I made an effort to see if it was going to work better than random. However, he said I wasn't getting the predictions right from his system or something along those lines so I don't think I was ever able to come to a conclusion.
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May 6, 2016, 11:49 am

Quote: Originally posted by Jayhawk58 on May 6, 2016
He is stating his opinion as you did in far less words.

And you have stated doubt in any person's success. If I have that success, I would not be totally honest about it. I would share if it works. You want to know how much? Test it.

People must have success or they would not be doing what they do still. Again that level of success depends on what they want to achieve.

Quite frankly, most of what you posted wasn't believable. You should go back and read your post's.

How about this? If you see some post of mine that you don't find believable, point it out and refute it. I've not no issue with that.

Back to the topic of this thread, if you feel so strongly that what I've said about this matrix is unbelievable, or incorrect, this is a discussion forum so go ahead and refute what I have to say. Go ahead and point out where it is wrong.
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May 6, 2016, 12:10 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on May 6, 2016
How about this? If you see some post of mine that you don't find believable, point it out and refute it. I've not no issue with that.

Back to the topic of this thread, if you feel so strongly that what I've said about this matrix is unbelievable, or incorrect, this is a discussion forum so go ahead and refute what I have to say. Go ahead and point out where it is wrong.

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May 6, 2016, 12:22 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on May 6, 2016

Hey ..even I, the great Floss does not agree with the cheesehead. I just chose to disagree with some on certain points. People are here having fun with their little systems that they make up for what they are and if it wins for you knock yourself out!
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May 6, 2016, 1:02 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Wisconsin3054 on May 6, 2016
How about this? If you see some post of mine that you don't find believable, point it out and refute it. I've not no issue with that.

Back to the topic of this thread, if you feel so strongly that what I've said about this matrix is unbelievable, or incorrect, this is a discussion forum so go ahead and refute what I have to say. Go ahead and point out where it is wrong.

You might want to read what this forum is about

Discuss systems for predicting lottery numbers.

It says predicting numbers,some systems are based on facts and some aren't, it also doesn't say fact only systems.

It does not say post a system with proof that it wins all the time because wisconsin3054 feels that until he came along everyone else apparently does not know how to test methods out and we should all be grateful for his facts.

Really? and then you wonder why people go on the attack or get defensive or don't you realize how insulting that is?
There are many people who feel the same way as you do and they just don't gamble.

You also say you are open to finding a method that works but yet you really are not because all you are doing is suppressing the people that are posting systems instead of actually adding anything helpful with your comments. I personally like puzzles and that is how I approach it, trying to find that piece that fits just right so I take system to see if it fits or try a variation till it does or doesn't, and it takes a lot more time trying things then you have given before you make a post.

People actually know the only facts they need to know about gambling..sometimes you win and sometimes you don't

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May 6, 2016, 1:09 pm

Quote: Originally posted by kreative1 on May 6, 2016
You might want to read what this forum is about

Discuss systems for predicting lottery numbers.

It says predicting numbers,some systems are based on facts and some aren't, it also doesn't say fact only systems.

It does not say post a system with proof that it wins all the time because wisconsin3054 feels that until he came along everyone else apparently does not know how to test methods out and we should all be grateful for his facts.

Really? and then you wonder why people go on the attack or get defensive or don't you realize how insulting that is?
There are many people who feel the same way as you do and they just don't gamble.

You also say you are open to finding a method that works but yet you really are not because all you are doing is suppressing the people that are posting systems instead of actually adding anything helpful with your comments. I personally like puzzles and that is how I approach it, trying to find that piece that fits just right so I take system to see if it fits or try a variation till it does or doesn't, and it takes a lot more time trying things then you have given before you make a post.

People actually know the only facts they need to know about gambling..sometimes you win and sometimes you don't

Well said!

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May 6, 2016, 1:21 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lakerben on May 6, 2016
Well said!

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Some people enjoy working to win and others enjoy being a critic.

Thanks lakerben but it's too late to play it so I'm not sure if I want it to come out or not! lol

I thought jayhawks comments were excellent!

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May 6, 2016, 1:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by kreative1 on May 6, 2016
Thanks lakerben but it's too late to play it so I'm not sure if I want it to come out or not! lol

I thought jayhawks comments were excellent!

I'm sitting here listening to Merle Haggard sipping some coffee!