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*IMPORTANT* NYS Lottery NEW LAW winding through Legislation will change Scratch offs as we know it

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I started a crusade back in 2015 about scratch off's being destroyed from retailers who changed ownership, went out of business, was temp. suspended etc. These tickets would get destroyed and we never had the chance to buy them. I sent out over 1000 letters through the mail to ALL legislators state city and government. 

 

I am happy to announce that someone listened and investigated and found out I was right.

 

Assemblyman Mike Miller from the 38 district responded and acted swiftly and has introduced bill # A9641 which would stop Lottery once and for all from removing good tickets. I am going to paste the bill information. I hope that this changes peoples minds who told me that nothing would ever happen. That is not true. Unless you take a stand you are right, nothing will happen. If you get a chance please drop a letter or phone call to Mike Miller thanking him for doing this. This is a major break though for something that NYS lottery was using to destroy good tickets. Thank you Sam 

 

Mike Miller 718-805-0950 millermg@assembly.state.ny.us

A9641

 

                STATE OF NEW YORK

        ________________________________________________________________________

                                          9641

                   IN ASSEMBLY

                                     March 24, 2016

                                       ___________

        Introduced  by M. of A. PRETLOW -- read once and referred to the Commit-

          tee on Racing and Wagering

        AN ACT to amend the tax law, in relation  to  prohibiting  the  removal,

          confiscation  or  destruction  of lottery tickets prior to such game's

          expiration date

          The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and  Assem-

        bly, do enact as follows:

     1    Section 1. Subdivision a of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

     2  chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to read as follows:

     3    a.  1.  Lottery  tickets  shall  be  in  such form as the division may

     4  prescribe. No ticket shall be sold at a price greater than that fixed by

     5  the division nor shall a sale  be  made  by  any  person  other  than  a

     6  licensed  lottery sales agent, and a violation of these provisions shall

     7  be a misdemeanor, but this shall not be deemed  to  prevent  any  person

     8  from giving lottery tickets as premiums to customers, employees or other

     9  dealing with him.

    10    2.  The  division  shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery

    11  ticket from any vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

    12    § 2. This act shall take effect immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

         EXPLANATION--Matter in italics (underscored) is new; matter in brackets

                              [ ] is old law to be omitted.

                                                                   LBD14769-01-6

 

 

 

NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION
submitted in accordance with Assembly Rule III, Sec 1(f)

 

BILL NUMBER: A9641

SPONSOR: Pretlow

 

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to amend the tax law, in relation to prohibiting the removal,

confiscation or destruction of lottery tickets prior to such game's

expiration date

 

PURPOSE:

This bill would prohibit the confiscation of lottery tickets from

retailers which negates the sale to potential consumers and would allow

for tickets to be sold up until the end of the game.

 

SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:

Section 1. Subdivision A of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to state that the division

shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery ticket from any

vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

 

JUSTIFICATION:

There have been instances where Lottery Tickets were taken from distrib-

utors, with little or no justification. Confiscating tickets deprives a

customer of buying a potential winning ticket. There has been no

adequate reasoning for the recall of these tickets, and the demand has

been so high that customers seek other retailers that may have tickets.

This bill is to ensure that every person who wants to buy a lottery

ticket isn't limited to or deterred because tickets were recalled from a

distributor.

 

FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:

None to the State

 

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:

New Bill

 

EFFECTIVE DATE:

This act shall take effect immediately.

 

 

Jeffrey Kohn

Chief of Staff

Assembyman Michael Miller

83-91 Woodhaven Boulevard

Woodhaven, NY 11421

718-805-0950

kohnj@assembly.state.ny.us

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    I started a crusade back in 2015 about scratch off's being destroyed from retailers who changed ownership, went out of business, was temp. suspended etc. These tickets would get destroyed and we never had the chance to buy them. I sent out over 1000 letters through the mail to ALL legislators state city and government. 

     

    I am happy to announce that someone listened and investigated and found out I was right.

     

    Assemblyman Mike Miller from the 38 district responded and acted swiftly and has introduced bill # A9641 which would stop Lottery once and for all from removing good tickets. I am going to paste the bill information. I hope that this changes peoples minds who told me that nothing would ever happen. That is not true. Unless you take a stand you are right, nothing will happen. If you get a chance please drop a letter or phone call to Mike Miller thanking him for doing this. This is a major break though for something that NYS lottery was using to destroy good tickets. Thank you Sam 

     

    Mike Miller 718-805-0950 millermg@assembly.state.ny.us

    A9641

     

                    STATE OF NEW YORK

            ________________________________________________________________________

                                              9641

                       IN ASSEMBLY

                                         March 24, 2016

                                           ___________

            Introduced  by M. of A. PRETLOW -- read once and referred to the Commit-

              tee on Racing and Wagering

            AN ACT to amend the tax law, in relation  to  prohibiting  the  removal,

              confiscation  or  destruction  of lottery tickets prior to such game's

              expiration date

              The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and  Assem-

            bly, do enact as follows:

         1    Section 1. Subdivision a of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

         2  chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to read as follows:

         3    a.  1.  Lottery  tickets  shall  be  in  such form as the division may

         4  prescribe. No ticket shall be sold at a price greater than that fixed by

         5  the division nor shall a sale  be  made  by  any  person  other  than  a

         6  licensed  lottery sales agent, and a violation of these provisions shall

         7  be a misdemeanor, but this shall not be deemed  to  prevent  any  person

         8  from giving lottery tickets as premiums to customers, employees or other

         9  dealing with him.

        10    2.  The  division  shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery

        11  ticket from any vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

        12    § 2. This act shall take effect immediately.

     

     

     

     

     

             EXPLANATION--Matter in italics (underscored) is new; matter in brackets

                                  [ ] is old law to be omitted.

                                                                       LBD14769-01-6

     

     

     

    NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY
    MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION
    submitted in accordance with Assembly Rule III, Sec 1(f)

     

    BILL NUMBER: A9641

    SPONSOR: Pretlow

     

    TITLE OF BILL:

    An act to amend the tax law, in relation to prohibiting the removal,

    confiscation or destruction of lottery tickets prior to such game's

    expiration date

     

    PURPOSE:

    This bill would prohibit the confiscation of lottery tickets from

    retailers which negates the sale to potential consumers and would allow

    for tickets to be sold up until the end of the game.

     

    SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:

    Section 1. Subdivision A of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

    chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to state that the division

    shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery ticket from any

    vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

     

    JUSTIFICATION:

    There have been instances where Lottery Tickets were taken from distrib-

    utors, with little or no justification. Confiscating tickets deprives a

    customer of buying a potential winning ticket. There has been no

    adequate reasoning for the recall of these tickets, and the demand has

    been so high that customers seek other retailers that may have tickets.

    This bill is to ensure that every person who wants to buy a lottery

    ticket isn't limited to or deterred because tickets were recalled from a

    distributor.

     

    FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:

    None to the State

     

    LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:

    New Bill

     

    EFFECTIVE DATE:

    This act shall take effect immediately.

     

     

    Jeffrey Kohn

    Chief of Staff

    Assembyman Michael Miller

    83-91 Woodhaven Boulevard

    Woodhaven, NY 11421

    718-805-0950

    kohnj@assembly.state.ny.us

    "10    2.  The  division  shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery

    11  ticket from any vendor prior to such game's expiration date"

    Shouldn't that read  "10    2.  The  division  shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery

    11  ticket from any licensed  lottery sales agent   prior to such game's expiration date"

    Seems to me if an unlicensed vendor was selling them then wouldn't they need to confiscate them?

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      so what happens to those tickets now when vendor goes out of business?

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        I started a crusade back in 2015 about scratch off's being destroyed from retailers who changed ownership, went out of business, was temp. suspended etc. These tickets would get destroyed and we never had the chance to buy them. I sent out over 1000 letters through the mail to ALL legislators state city and government. 

         

        I am happy to announce that someone listened and investigated and found out I was right.

         

        Assemblyman Mike Miller from the 38 district responded and acted swiftly and has introduced bill # A9641 which would stop Lottery once and for all from removing good tickets. I am going to paste the bill information. I hope that this changes peoples minds who told me that nothing would ever happen. That is not true. Unless you take a stand you are right, nothing will happen. If you get a chance please drop a letter or phone call to Mike Miller thanking him for doing this. This is a major break though for something that NYS lottery was using to destroy good tickets. Thank you Sam 

         

        Mike Miller 718-805-0950 millermg@assembly.state.ny.us

        A9641

         

                        STATE OF NEW YORK

                ________________________________________________________________________

                                                  9641

                           IN ASSEMBLY

                                             March 24, 2016

                                               ___________

                Introduced  by M. of A. PRETLOW -- read once and referred to the Commit-

                  tee on Racing and Wagering

                AN ACT to amend the tax law, in relation  to  prohibiting  the  removal,

                  confiscation  or  destruction  of lottery tickets prior to such game's

                  expiration date

                  The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and  Assem-

                bly, do enact as follows:

             1    Section 1. Subdivision a of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

             2  chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to read as follows:

             3    a.  1.  Lottery  tickets  shall  be  in  such form as the division may

             4  prescribe. No ticket shall be sold at a price greater than that fixed by

             5  the division nor shall a sale  be  made  by  any  person  other  than  a

             6  licensed  lottery sales agent, and a violation of these provisions shall

             7  be a misdemeanor, but this shall not be deemed  to  prevent  any  person

             8  from giving lottery tickets as premiums to customers, employees or other

             9  dealing with him.

            10    2.  The  division  shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery

            11  ticket from any vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

            12    § 2. This act shall take effect immediately.

         

         

         

         

         

                 EXPLANATION--Matter in italics (underscored) is new; matter in brackets

                                      [ ] is old law to be omitted.

                                                                           LBD14769-01-6

         

         

         

        NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY
        MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION
        submitted in accordance with Assembly Rule III, Sec 1(f)

         

        BILL NUMBER: A9641

        SPONSOR: Pretlow

         

        TITLE OF BILL:

        An act to amend the tax law, in relation to prohibiting the removal,

        confiscation or destruction of lottery tickets prior to such game's

        expiration date

         

        PURPOSE:

        This bill would prohibit the confiscation of lottery tickets from

        retailers which negates the sale to potential consumers and would allow

        for tickets to be sold up until the end of the game.

         

        SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:

        Section 1. Subdivision A of section 1609 of the tax law, as amended by

        chapter 254 of the laws of 2008, is amended to state that the division

        shall not remove, confiscate or destroy any lottery ticket from any

        vendor prior to such game's expiration date.

         

        JUSTIFICATION:

        There have been instances where Lottery Tickets were taken from distrib-

        utors, with little or no justification. Confiscating tickets deprives a

        customer of buying a potential winning ticket. There has been no

        adequate reasoning for the recall of these tickets, and the demand has

        been so high that customers seek other retailers that may have tickets.

        This bill is to ensure that every person who wants to buy a lottery

        ticket isn't limited to or deterred because tickets were recalled from a

        distributor.

         

        FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:

        None to the State

         

        LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:

        New Bill

         

        EFFECTIVE DATE:

        This act shall take effect immediately.

         

         

        Jeffrey Kohn

        Chief of Staff

        Assembyman Michael Miller

        83-91 Woodhaven Boulevard

        Woodhaven, NY 11421

        718-805-0950

        kohnj@assembly.state.ny.us

        Has this new legislation [Bill # 9641] already been enacted and taken effect in NY, or does the NY Legislature still have to vote on it to pass ???

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          ozone park
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          Posted: June 1, 2016, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

          right now tickets get destroyed when a retailer goes out of business

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            right now tickets get destroyed when a retailer goes out of business

            meant what would happen to those tickets now that bill has been passed, like is lottery gonna pick them up and distribute them to a different retailer?

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              Amazing job.  Maybe i'll send similar letters to the Florida legislature or just file suit against the State.

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                Amazing job.  Maybe i'll send similar letters to the Florida legislature or just file suit against the State.

                Seriously, we need someone/some of us FL lottery players to make some noise about this! They can never claim the lottery has 100% integrity if random tickets are disappearing/being destroyed, with the possibility of them being jackpot tickets. Even if they came up with a polciy of scanning all the tickets in, and reissuing another jackpot ticket for any that were destroyed I'd be satisfied. 

                 

                Way to go RGSE on your advocacy for improving the integrity of the NY Lotto!

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                  Has this new legislation [Bill # 9641] already been enacted and taken effect in NY, or does the NY Legislature still have to vote on it to pass ???

                  Good question!

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                    ozone park
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                    This bill has not been passed but we feel that it should fly through and get approved and pass very soon we hope

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                      This bill has not been passed but we feel that it should fly through and get approved and pass very soon we hope

                      Ok thanks! When will we know when it goes into effect?

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                        ozone park
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                        as soon as it happens I will let you know