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I should have said that Blanks are assumed to be Ball Games. I did not see a complete list of games on the Report Card. Maybe I Missed it. Are You saying the assumption is correct?
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I refuse to play RNG games.
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Mechanical balls- every single day of the week, why? Because l seriously doubt that Eddie Tipton is unique out there. Someone taught him how to do stuff, if he advanced his tech skills on his own, there has to be others who could do what he did. It's much too much of a risk.
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I don't care If a monkey pulls the balls out of a hat, or the monkey clicks on a computer button, as long as I know what the last pre test results were. The final pre test result is the ONLY one that counts to me.
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I don't care If a monkey pulls the balls out of a hat, or the monkey clicks on a computer button, as long as I know what the last pre test results were. The final pre test result is the ONLY one that counts to me.
Amber, have you actually seen pre test-results? If, so, When do they do this pre test and Is that information available before the actual Draw? Why in the World would the Lottery publish pre test results any way. Are they trying to give us some assurance that the Actual Draw is "Random"? I know that much has been written here about RNG. I know that LP Lobbies against it's Use. For Now we are stuck with RNG in My State so that is the Arena in which My Pick 3 Game is Played.
One of the Best things about a well constructed Spreadsheet is the ability to instantly change the input data. To Mix and Match that Data. In other Words, See how it worked in another State. Knowing the Type of Draw is essential to the analysis. Mixing States means using a system on State 1 to test and predict its performance in State 2.
So let me just throw this out to all RNG Haters. Players, Just don't play them. Advocates, hold it down a bit, some of us are trying to concentrate and have a debate. Your likes and don't likes are not important here, Your reasons might be important. Try adding to the Debate or asking some questions.
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Amber, I see that Texas does pre test and publish the data. I assume that that data is published with or shortly after the actual Draw. Texas is a Ball Game. I learned a minute ago on the Post on Pre tests in the Mathematics Forum how that Monkeys with Random. I agree that it screws things up. It's like they jump into the future at every draw by 5 Draws. In the end, you can stress over it, but you don't have a choice. The Draw is all you get paid on. Pre draws can only poison your prediction unless you also step into the void in your prediction process.
If you have or can direct me to the pre test data, I will try to construct an Excel file that includes them in the Game Block. I will count how many times they discarded a prediction and try to see If there is a way to use it.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Jun 18, 2017
I don't care If a monkey pulls the balls out of a hat, or the monkey clicks on a computer button, as long as I know what the last pre test results were. The final pre test result is the ONLY one that counts to me.
Amber, have you actually seen pre test-results? If, so, When do they do this pre test and Is that information available before the actual Draw? Why in the World would the Lottery publish pre test results any way. Are they trying to give us some assurance that the Actual Draw is "Random"? I know that much has been written here about RNG. I know that LP Lobbies against it's Use. For Now we are stuck with RNG in My State so that is the Arena in which My Pick 3 Game is Played.
One of the Best things about a well constructed Spreadsheet is the ability to instantly change the input data. To Mix and Match that Data. In other Words, See how it worked in another State. Knowing the Type of Draw is essential to the analysis. Mixing States means using a system on State 1 to test and predict its performance in State 2.
So let me just throw this out to all RNG Haters. Players, Just don't play them. Advocates, hold it down a bit, some of us are trying to concentrate and have a debate. Your likes and don't likes are not important here, Your reasons might be important. Try adding to the Debate or asking some questions.
Click on the link below. I posted this a year ago. Texas is the only state that I'm aware of that posts their pre test results, and yes, I've seen them on their website. I don't know why they publish the pre tests, but I'm glad they do, all states should.
The link is about what Florida does. Your jaw will drop.
I live in Cali now, an RNG state, and I believe they do computer pre tests here.
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Decades ago, When I was about 14, I worked a few days on a down to earth Turkey Farm. When I say down to earth, I mean that nothing about the operation was even modern for that time. The Turkeys were herded between two rickety fences to a point where they were grabbed by a person and treated for something I can’t Remember. I was hired to herd the birds. I was specifically instructed not to let the birds knock down the fences. I soon learned what the Boss was talking about. I left alone, the birds would soon begin bobbing their heads together at the same time and begin to sway back and forth between the fences. My job was to break the rhythm with a broom. Chaos was stability, Rhythm destruction.
We all saw an example of this in the beginning of the Trump Presidency. It seemed like every day “The Donald” was whacking the Press with that Same Broom. I wonder if there is a connection to the Lottery. Particularly, I wonder if there is a connection to RNG. Curiosity sparks many un answered questions. Symbolism, suggests that Draws are the Turkeys and that someone or something has an unknown Broom used to prevent any Rhythm. Pre-Draws in ball Games are a definite Broom. Other than some kind of hidden physical manipulation of the balls and the machine, there appears to be only 1 Broom in use. RNG is different. Pre-Gens have a similar effect on the outcome; but, what comes next is a mystery. All that Data available to the Lottery in Real Time means that they know the Winners before the results are “selected” by someone or some Filter and can change the results to hit the Turkeys over the head 1 Last time.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Jun 18, 2017
Decades ago, When I was about 14, I worked a few days on a down to earth Turkey Farm. When I say down to earth, I mean that nothing about the operation was even modern for that time. The Turkeys were herded between two rickety fences to a point where they were grabbed by a person and treated for something I can’t Remember. I was hired to herd the birds. I was specifically instructed not to let the birds knock down the fences. I soon learned what the Boss was talking about. I left alone, the birds would soon begin bobbing their heads together at the same time and begin to sway back and forth between the fences. My job was to break the rhythm with a broom. Chaos was stability, Rhythm destruction.
We all saw an example of this in the beginning of the Trump Presidency. It seemed like every day “The Donald” was whacking the Press with that Same Broom. I wonder if there is a connection to the Lottery. Particularly, I wonder if there is a connection to RNG. Curiosity sparks many un answered questions. Symbolism, suggests that Draws are the Turkeys and that someone or something has an unknown Broom used to prevent any Rhythm. Pre-Draws in ball Games are a definite Broom. Other than some kind of hidden physical manipulation of the balls and the machine, there appears to be only 1 Broom in use. RNG is different. Pre-Gens have a similar effect on the outcome; but, what comes next is a mystery. All that Data available to the Lottery in Real Time means that they know the Winners before the results are “selected” by someone or some Filter and can change the results to hit the Turkeys over the head 1 Last time.
I am going to Look for the Broom.
Here's what goes on at the Pa. lottery.
1) They do all the pre-tests to make sure the machines and balls haven't been tampered with. Fine, but with all the security procedures, how is anyone going to do be able to tamper with anything? It would have to be a group effort just to get into the room.
2) They do 9 pre-tests, 3 rehearsal tests and 3 post tests to make sure every thing is completely random. And to make sure the balls come up according to their "statistical norms." If the balls do not follow the "statistical norm" they are removed.
3) The balls are micro chipped so a computer can verify what numbers come up. Couldn't they just look at the balls? How do we know the computer isn't controlling the balls? This alone raises questions about how random it is.
Okay, now tell me how can you have BOTH complete random and a "statistical norm." Random sometimes does not follow the normal way of how things should happen. If the the number one comes up ten times in a row in the first position in the official drawing that is completely random, right? If the players complained about how unusual, ie (out of the statistical norm) that is, the lottery officials would tell you every thing is completely random. They checked the balls and everything is fine.
But, if the number one came up too many times in the first position in the pre-test, they pull the balls out. Why? Maybe somebody tampered with the balls. How? What about all the security? Doesn't it work?
Or else it's, "Oh, that's not in the statistical norm" they say. Exactly, it was RANDOM. And isn't RANDOM what they are trying to promote? They want every one to know (or think) there is nothing funny going on. But as soon as they pull the ball set, something funny is going on. They are trying to disrupt random. They don't want it to happen. They don't want the number one to hit too many times in the first position. If they want to be truly random, just have the official drawing and that's it. No pre test, no post test. If the machines screw up, then follow the procedure for that.
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PA Lottery seeks out draw witnesses for its evening drawings, but doesn't televise the drawings itself. But instead relies on outside parties to do so. In many PA media markets, televised lottery drawings do not regularly occur due to preempting by other programming, such as sports, specials, etc.
If the PA Lottery was truly serious about evening drawings, they'd stream them live on their website.
On a related note, does any U.S. state lottery live stream RNG drawings? -not talking afterwards, but in real time with no delay showing the computer randomizer selections.
While that may seem pointless, it would eliminate some avenues of manipulation. In particular, re-running the drawing due to questionable reasons. For example, too many quads or even quints (ie. 77777) being drawn in too short of time. Say more than 3 quads in a year or more than 1 quint in 5 years.
As of now, in PA, the day RNG drawings occur sometime after 1:05 PM, but exactly when? Usually well before the 1:35 PM results announce time, but there have been instances of the drawing results being published even later than that.
All in all, as it stands now, it seems all too easy for the PA Lottery to manipulate both evening, and especially, day RNG drawings due to lack of live streaming.