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Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Jun 4, 2024

Although I've not written here about wheeling lottery numbers, if you play just the 14 numbers yet to be drawn in June (listed in the above post) then effectively what you're doing is wheeling those 14 numbers.

Essentially what you're saying is "I think that the five winning numbers drawn during the very next drawing will come from this group of 14 numbers." That's fine, but if just one winning number drawn does not come from that group of 14, then it's impossible for a player to win a jackpot.  Still, players could win a four bagger, and also a three bagger and Free Tickets.

My experience with wheeling is that I've had some success doing it, but I've also wheeled a group of 14 numbers and had just one (or worse yet zero) winning numbers that were contained in the group of 14 that I wheeled.

Suppose a player wheeled 14 numbers and bought a ten line ticket. (a \$10 ticket) Then suppose just four of the five winning numbers were in the group of 14.  Immediately the player knows they did not win a jackpot, but there's a possibility they won a four bagger, provided four winning numbers were on the same line on their ticket . And there in lies the rub! For me personally, usually my ten line ticket has the four winning numbers spread across all ten lines. Ten lines just isn't enough lines to give a player a decent shot at winning some cash.  Instead if I had bought ten tickets with ten lines on each ticket (Cost is \$100) then I stand a good chance of scoring a 4 bagger. So as you can see, wheeling is a good way to go, but it's a very expensive method of playing, which is why I'm not into wheeling and also why don't write about it here.  I've never bet \$100 on any lottery game. (except The Pennsylvania Millionaire Raffle which carries 125,000 to 1 odds to win one million dollars. I spent over \$100 on that raffle, but it's a once per year thing, and I believe it's one helluva lot more "winable" than any lottery game anywhere)  I'm a player that bets with his head, not over it.  I certainly can afford to spend more than 10 bucks per draw on FF5, but I wont do that. I like the fun and entertainment playing the lottery provides me with, and oh yeah, I might win a few bucks too.  And then there's also a very slight chance that I could win over 100 grand too..... G5

"What would you do with the money?  \$135,000 isn't so life changing, especially after Uncle Sam takes his share."

That's a question a few folks in my family have asked me, and I realized something when they said it, and that's that they're right to a certain extent.  Depending upon one's financial situation, it could be very life changing.  I have a mortgage, it's not overly big, so even after federal income taxes were taken out of my total winnings, I could pay off my mortgage.  Even though my monthly payment isn't all that big, it's still the biggest single "nut" I must come up with each and every month.  So if I didn't have to make that payment, The Mrs G5 and I would have extra "fun money" each and every month that we currently do not have.

I dunno what we'd do with that extra money, maybe we'd end up saving a lot of it, and then our three kids could go through it like a hot knife through butter.  (Which I know at least two of them would do! Remember this too - studies have shown that Grandpa's money rarely makes it to his grand kids. Instead Grand Pa's adult children burn through it like an expletive through a goose until it's all gone.)

As far as spending more than \$100 on Pennsylvania Raffle tickets goes, there's something I didn't mention in my above post.  Tickets went on sale in early October and they cost \$20 each.  The drawing wasn't held until the following New Years Day so players had almost three months to buy them. I'd buy 10, 20 or 40 bucks worth in October, 10, 20 or 40 bucks in November and I'd usually spend 60 or 80 bucks on them in December.  Even if I won \$660,000 after taxes,  that'd change my life significantly. I'd be writing this post from my newly renovated cabin in the woods on a lake in Maine!  (No doubt my kids would be Johnny on the spot spending their summers with us in Maine.) Florida is nice most of the year, but I could do without that Florida sun/heat during the summer months!

But sadly there aint no Maine cabin in the woods on a lake for me and The Mrs G5 until I pick the right set of five or six numbers.  G5

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Today's midday winning numbers =====> 3 9 26 33 35

Notice that two of the 14 numbers yet to be drawn were in fact drawn. (#'s 33 & 35)

4 5 7 15 18 19 21 23 27 28 29 32 33 35  - Therefore there are now twelve numbers remaining that are yet to be drawn in June.   Also #26 was drawn again which makes it the early hits leader in June with 4 hits in seven drawings.  G5

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Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Jun 4, 2024

Today's midday winning numbers =====> 3 9 26 33 35

Notice that two of the 14 numbers yet to be drawn were in fact drawn. (#'s 33 & 35)

4 5 7 15 18 19 21 23 27 28 29 32 33 35  - Therefore there are now twelve numbers remaining that are yet to be drawn in June.   Also #26 was drawn again which makes it the early hits leader in June with 4 hits in seven drawings.  G5

Something else I should point out about the five winning numbers from today's midday drawing is this; THREE of them DIDNT come from the list of 14 numbers yet to be drawn.  Sure I took credit in my above post, but all that would get anybody who picked their numbers from just those 14 numbers is a Free Ticket.

Usually  all I ever see when I pick from a list of 14 to 18 numbers is two or three.  Yes, I've gotten lucky and had four or even all five winning numbers in my list, but the truth is that didn't happened very often.

Players have to pick smartly, but they also need a healthy dose of old fashioned good luck.  G5

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Last nights  winning numbers =====> 14 20 31 35 36

All five winning numbers were previously drawn in June.  #14 is now tied with #26 for the hits lead in June with 4 hits each.

4 5 7 15 18 19 21 23 27 28 29 32 - These are the twelve numbers remaining that have yet to be drawn in June.   G5

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Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Jun 5, 2024

Last nights  winning numbers =====> 14 20 31 35 36

All five winning numbers were previously drawn in June.  #14 is now tied with #26 for the hits lead in June with 4 hits each.

4 5 7 15 18 19 21 23 27 28 29 32 - These are the twelve numbers remaining that have yet to be drawn in June.   G5

Today's midday drawing's numbers are =====> 12 23 28 30 31

That was the 59th hit of 2024 for #28.    #'s 23 28 & 30 were drawn for the first time this month.  Numbers 14 & 26 now have five hits each in June and are tied for the lead.

4 5 7 15 18 19 29 32 - These are the remaining numbers that have yet to be drawn in June.   G5

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Last nights  winning numbers =====> 4 18 29 30 36   Three of the winning numbers had yet to be drawn in June. (#'s 4 18 & 29)

5 7 15 19 32 - are the five numbers that have not yet been drawn in June.  G5

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Today's midday drawing's numbers are =====> 9 11 13 28 36   All five of these numbers have been previously drawn in June.

That was the 60th hit of 2024 for #28.    #36 banged in for the 6th time this month and took the lead for the most hits in June.

5 7 15 19 32 - These are the five numbers that have yet to be drawn in June.  G5

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Let's talk a bit about #28.

Although it's early to predict with a large degree of confidence that #28 will end this year as the hit leader, it has a commanding lead.  The next closest number to it is #25 with 52 hits.  It's got 2 hits in June, and if it simply hits for average in June it'll hit six more times in June and have 66 hits by the end of the first half of the year.  If I double that number, it'd have 132 hits after the evening drawing on 12/31/2024.

132 hits in one years time for any number is very high.  Past performance of the numbers in 730 draws suggests 118 to 120 hits.  And so far this year #28 has yet to experience what I call "The slow down period" that most hit leaders go through during the course of one years worth of drawings.  I've seen the slow down period happen to hits leaders in multiple states Pick5 games. For whatever reason, the hits leader will disappear for three weeks or so, and not have any hits during the slow down period. So I would expect that some time during the second half of 2024 that #28 will take a break. (It still could happen during this month as well)

But after it takes it's break, #28 will come roaring back.... which is why 120 hits in 730 drawings is more like what we'll probably see.

Right now, the odds on favorite for the hits leader of 2024 is #28.  I say that because no number is even close to it.  If #25 had 56 or 57 hits (which it does not) then it's a toss up as to which number will end the year with the most hits.

So the net of this post is this - play #28 and play it A LOT from now until the end of the year. You take the odds down from 376,992 to 1 to 52,360 to 1 to win a jackpot if you play #28 and it hits.  52,360 to 1 is still hard odds to beat, but I'd rather try to beat 52,360 to 1 odds vs. 376,992 to 1.  G5

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Last nights  winning numbers =====> 7 13 16 17 28   One of the winning numbers had yet to be drawn in June. (#7)

5 15 19 32 - are the four numbers that have not yet been drawn in June.

Look at that #28 bangin' in again!  Of course I didn't play it!  61st hit of the year.   G5

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Last nights  winning numbers =====> 1 6 13 25 31

5 and 19 - are the numbers that have not yet been drawn in June.

A word about "good old lucky #13"..... This is no time to be superstitious.  #13 has been kickin' butt for the last 730 draws. It's ranked #1 during that timeframe with 121 hits. And....... it's tied for 2nd place with #25 with 53 hits each in 2024.  All time, #13 is ranked lowly in 25th place, but who cares about that?  It's what have you done lately for me in todays world.  In June, both #13 and #25 have 4 hits each, which aint all that bad this early in the month.

#36 is where it's at in terms of hits in June with 7 but #26 is sitting right behind it with 6 hits.  Those two will probably duke it out for the title of Hit's Leader of June.  G5

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IT's been quite a whole since I last posted the following info.  I thought it might provide some good insight when it comes to picking your FF5 numbers.

 # of Combo's 5 Even / 0 Odd 8,568 4 Even / 1 Odd 55,080 3 Even / 2 Odd 124,848 2 Even / 3 Odd 124,848 1 Even / 4 Odd 55,080 0 Even / 5 Odd 8,568 Total Combo's 376,992 1,380 combo's with 4 last digits the same 42,096 combo's with 3 last digits the same 184,308 combo with 2 last digits the same 149,208 combos with all last digits different 3/2 + 2/3 = 249,696 or 66.2% of all combo's 1/4 + 4/1 = 110,060 or 29.2% of all combo's

So as you can see it makes the most sense to create your lines with either 3 odd numbers and two even, or 3 even numbers with 2 odd.  Combo's made up like that make up 66.23% of all 376,992 possible combos and are drawn most often.

One thing I saw that surprised me was that there are 184,308 combo's with two last digits being the same.  (That's 48.9% of all possible combo's)  It makes good sense to have two numbers on your lines with two of the five numbers having the same last digit.  (1 and 31 or 5 and 25 etc). Conversely it doesn't make good sense to have a line with four of the five numbers having the same last digit.  I'd even avoid lines with three numbers having the same last digit.  G5

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Today's midday drawing's numbers are =====> 3 4 23 25 30

Number 3 was the only winning number that had not yet been drawn in June.

5 and 19 are the two remaining numbers yet to be drawn in June.  G5

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Last nights  winning numbers =====> 5 8 28 32 35

19 - is the number that has not yet been drawn in June.

There's #28 banging in with it's 62nd hit of 2024.  Hi-oh Silver!  Away!!  G5

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Good morning Mr.GiveFive,

You have mentioned on the NY Take5 thread that “the things that happens and apply to FF5 hold true for Take5 as well. I would urge you all to "Play Smart" and one way of doing that is to read this thread”….
And that’s the reason I’m here, to start reading from page #1.

A thank you is the least I can say. Your professional expertise and domain knowledge is indeed unparalleled.

You must gain control over your money or the lack of it will forever control you. --Dave Ramsey

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Hi Mr/Ms Sowinski!  Thanks very much for your very kind compliments.

Yup, it's true.  You'll not only see very similar characteristics in T5 that also appear in FF5, but you'll also see those very same similar game characteristics in every PICK5 game in all other states Pick5 games. For instance, Tique54 posts in the T5 thread about the 99 duplicate sets of five numbers that have been drawn twice since 1991 when T5 began.  Same thing has happened in FF5, but not as many times.  Right now it's happened in FF5 83 times since July of 2001 when FF5 began. As you can see, the reason T5 has 99 sets of dupes vs. FF5's 83, is T5 began in 1991, ten years prior to FF5.  Also T5 actually has one set of five numbers that was drawn THREE times whereas FF5 doesn't have any of those.  (Not yet anyway)  Mass Cash (Massachusetts's Pick5 game) has 77 sets of five that were drawn twice. (And Just like T5, one set was drawn three times in Mass Cash) The only reason Mass Cash doesn't have as many sets of dupes as T5 or FF5 is because although Mass Cash began on 3/28/1991, for a while Mass Cash drawings were held weekly, but eventually Mass Cash went to daily drawings.  (Mass Cash has held 6,962 drawings whereas T5 has held approximately 9,000 draws. FF5 has held over 8,000 drawings)

I told Roy Siano (Lotto News/Stats publisher and editor) about all the sets of dupes appearing in Pick5 games all across America and he went crazy!  He said "That should not happen!!"  I said, "I agree Roy, but it DOES happen, and it happens in Pick5 games all over The USA".  He asked me to write a few columns about it that appeared in Lotto News.  The only thing I can think of regarding the many sets of dupes is maybe the lottery isn't as random as the math purists say it is.... Who Knows!  I don't know why it happens, and I couldn't care less as to why it happens. I just know that it happens.

FF5 has a 5/36 matrix (players have to pick 5 out of a pool of 36 numbers) which yields odds of 376,992 to 1 to win a jackpot.  While that's significantly better odds than T5's 575,757 to 1 odds, it's still very hard to win a FF5 jackpot.  FF5 has a 50/50 mix between player picked jackpot winners and QP's where as T5's used to be 75% QP's and 25% player picks. (Maybe the mix has changed since I moved to Florida in November of 2020... not sure about that.)

The odds difference is the big thing when it comes to game characteristics between FF5 and T5.  Other than that, everything I posted recently in the T5 thread about T5 will be seen in FF5 too.  (not to mention all other Pick5 games in The USA.)

just like The NY State Lottery, The Florida lottery went to two FF5 drawings per day during March of last year.  To my way of thinking,The Florida Lottery absolutely ruined the game because jackpot amounts were cut in half.  Used to be one draw per day could yield a jackpot of \$235,000, especially when The Snowbirds show up in Florida every January.  Not anymore.  Midday drawing jackpots are about \$60,000 and Evening drawings are about \$135,000 to \$140,000 depending upon the day of the week. (Fridays in New York and Florida are the big jackpot days while Sundays are always lowest amounts, and that's IF there is a jackpot winner.  If not, then The Florida lottery does a "rolldown" to the benefit of second and third place prize winners.)

So there you have it.... keep your eye peeled here... you might pick up a tidbit or two that you can easily carry over to T5.  Great hearing from you!  G5

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