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Justing618

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May 9, 2025, 11:32 am

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
No, I'm not a lottery official. I don't claim that playing the lottery is a good investment (it's not). It's only for fun, and you should be aware that the state depends on you for revenue. Most states have lotteries because it's easier to get money from people voluntarily than by force through raising other taxes.

All I'm saying is that in a game:

1) run by salaried government employees who don't receive a share of the profits

2) run for the sole purpose of shoveling 100% of profits in the billions to the state legislatures (which is why the lottery has proliferated across 45 states with a large number of games and 223,000 outlets to play them)

3) with a massive profit margin built into the pay tables ("massive" compared to casino games)

... explain to me, why on Earth would the lottery rig their own games to make people lose even more money than they would lose in a fair game? It makes no sense. Only a conspiracy theorist would believe such a silly thing.

Do you volunteer to do lots of extra work at your job for no additional pay to do something to screw over your own customers? Why not? That's exactly what you people are accusing the lottery of doing. They query the computer to see what numbers people have picked and then they pick winning numbers to not match those. That requires A LOT more work than just picking numbers at random. Extra work for no extra pay, for no reason other than to ruin the game. Why???

Of all the stupid things to say, this thread started with utter and complete nonsense:

1 Building runs All Lottery games that we play no matter the state your in.Its department inside that building that controls each state so when they're checking system for that 15 minute period after the draw closes and until the numbers are displayed.

There is zero evidence to support this absurd claim. There is zero incentive for anyone to do such a thing. This is a conspiracy theory that is absolutely ridiculous.

But if you people want to believe it, that's fine, you can. In that case, stop playing the lottery. If this is true, that the lottery actually takes far more of your money than what the pay table is designed to take, why would you ever play this game? Don't give them your money. Don't ever buy a ticket ever again.

Does this guy not know. Or just doesn't wanna acknowledge. The cheating. The 1980 Pennsylvania Lottery scandal, colloquially known as the Triple Six Fix, was a successful plot to rig The Daily Number.The Hot Lotto fraud scandal was a lottery-rigging scandal in the United States. It came to light in 2017, after Eddie Raymond Tipton (born 1963),^[1] the former information security director of the Multi-State Lottery Association (MUSL), confessed to rigging a random number generator that he and two others used in multiple cases of fraud against state lotteries. These are not "conspiracy theories " as you say. That's just 2 right there. I'm sure there's probably more.
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May 9, 2025, 11:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
Does this guy not know. Or just doesn't wanna acknowledge. The cheating. The 1980 Pennsylvania Lottery scandal, colloquially known as the Triple Six Fix, was a successful plot to rig The Daily Number.The Hot Lotto fraud scandal was a lottery-rigging scandal in the United States. It came to light in 2017, after Eddie Raymond Tipton (born 1963),^[1] the former information security director of the Multi-State Lottery Association (MUSL), confessed to rigging a random number generator that he and two others used in multiple cases of fraud against state lotteries. These are not "conspiracy theories " as you say. That's just 2 right there. I'm sure there's probably more.

I know about those cases. However, the individuals involved rigged the game to benefit themselves personally by gaining an unfair advantage. Other players could still win if they happened to choose the rigged numbers. The cheaters didn't care if other people won or lost. They only cared if they won for themselves.

The conspiracy theorists believe that the states rigs their own games to make people lose more than they would anyway. Do you really believe that some lottery employee has devised a scheme to cheat the players? Why would any lottery employee do that? They can't possibly benefit from doing so.
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May 9, 2025, 12:01 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
I know about those cases. However, the individuals involved rigged the game to benefit themselves personally by gaining an unfair advantage. Other players could still win if they happened to choose the rigged numbers. The cheaters didn't care if other people won or lost. They only cared if they won for themselves.

The conspiracy theorists believe that the states rigs their own games to make people lose more than they would anyway. Do you really believe that some lottery employee has devised a scheme to cheat the players? Why would any lottery employee do that? They can't possibly benefit from doing so.

Who runs the states games?
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May 9, 2025, 12:07 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
Who runs the states games?

The state lottery agency or MUSL for multi-state games.
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May 9, 2025, 12:20 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
The state lottery agency or MUSL for multi-state games.

Who did Tippton work for?
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May 9, 2025, 12:31 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
Who did Tippton work for?

Answer me this:

Did Eddie Tipton cheat other players and lower their chances of winning to benefit the state?

Or did Eddie Tipton cheat the state to improve his own chances of winning?
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May 9, 2025, 12:36 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
Answer me this:

Did Eddie Tipton cheat other players and lower their chances of winning to benefit the state?

Or did Eddie Tipton cheat the state to improve his own chances of winning?

He 100% did. That's why they where sued. If he didn't rig the game. And win. Someone else could have won. Or won a higher jackpot. On the next drawing. And answer my ? Who did Tippton work for?
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May 9, 2025, 12:39 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
He 100% did. That's why they where sued. If he didn't rig the game. And win. Someone else could have won. Or won a higher jackpot. On the next drawing. And answer my ? Who did Tippton work for?

He 100% did what?

still waiting...

Did Eddie Tipton cheat other players and lower their chances of winning to benefit the state?

Or did Eddie Tipton cheat the state to improve his own chances of winning?

hint: it's not both
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May 9, 2025, 12:43 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
He 100% did what?

still waiting...

Did Eddie Tipton cheat other players and lower their chances of winning to benefit the state?

Or did Eddie Tipton cheat the state to improve his own chances of winning?

hint: it's not both

He 100% cheated other players! And hint it is both...... Did you even read what I typed above? Or just started rambling on again....... Im gonna go with rambling.
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May 9, 2025, 1:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
He 100% cheated other players! And hint it is both...... Did you even read what I typed above? Or just started rambling on again....... Im gonna go with rambling.

Stop it with the silly accusations of rambling. What do you think rambling means? It's not what I'm doing. I am discussing one very specific topic.

Cheating other players in a draw game means choosing winning numbers that do not match player's numbers. Is that what he did? Query the computer right after sales cutoff to see what tickets other people bought?

No, he did not. He did not care what numbers other people bought. He only cared about making the RNG spit out numbers he chose in advance, bought tickets with those numbers, and cashed in.

Eddie Tipton cheated the lottery to make himself win. That is why he went to prison. No one in the lottery has ever cheated all those anonymous lottery players to make them lose just for the kicks.

Retailers have been busted for cheating players. They present a ticket and ask the clerk to see if it's a winner, and the clerk lies and says "sorry, not a winner" or "oh yeah you won $100", hands them $100, and then cashes the ticket which won much more than that for themselves.

As long as you scan your own ticket at a retailer, you are not going to get cheated playing the lottery.
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May 9, 2025, 1:25 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
Stop it with the silly accusations of rambling. What do you think rambling means? It's not what I'm doing. I am discussing one very specific topic.

Cheating other players in a draw game means choosing winning numbers that do not match player's numbers. Is that what he did? Query the computer right after sales cutoff to see what tickets other people bought?

No, he did not. He did not care what numbers other people bought. He only cared about making the RNG spit out numbers he chose in advance, bought tickets with those numbers, and cashed in.

Eddie Tipton cheated the lottery to make himself win. That is why he went to prison. No one in the lottery has ever cheated all those anonymous lottery players to make them lose just for the kicks.

Retailers have been busted for cheating players. They present a ticket and ask the clerk to see if it's a winner, and the clerk lies and says "sorry, not a winner" or "oh yeah you won $100", hands them $100, and then cashes the ticket which won much more than that for themselves.

As long as you scan your own ticket at a retailer, you are not going to get cheated playing the lottery.

More rambling...... You went from did he cheat the lottery and players. To rambling on about kids.......Just make sure you throw in some math on the next reply. Then some rambling on how it's random on the reply after....... But yea before you got off topic. Which did not take long for you. He did cheat the lottery and the players. He cheated the players by rigging it for him to win. If he did not rig the game someone else could of possibly won. And he cheated the states out of the extra tax revenue if no one would have won. Like every thing I said above^^^^^^^ that apparently you did not read.
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May 9, 2025, 2:06 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Justing618 on May 9, 2025
More rambling...... You went from did he cheat the lottery and players. To rambling on about kids.......Just make sure you throw in some math on the next reply. Then some rambling on how it's random on the reply after....... But yea before you got off topic. Which did not take long for you. He did cheat the lottery and the players. He cheated the players by rigging it for him to win. If he did not rig the game someone else could of possibly won. And he cheated the states out of the extra tax revenue if no one would have won. Like every thing I said above^^^^^^^ that apparently you did not read.

I read what you wrote. I disagree that he cheated the players. He didn't rig the RNG to pick numbers no one else picked. He rigged the RNG to pick numbers that he picked.

As far as allegedly "rambling" about random numbers and math, um, we are talking about the lottery, no? A game which uses random numbers to pick winners? A game in which math will tell you the odds of winning given the rules and the number and types of tickets you buy? What else besides math would we use to calculate our odds of winning? Oh wait, that's right, there are no fair odds of winning, because it's all controlled by the people in one building in Oklahoma. We're either destined to win because they like us or we're destined to lose because we're suckers who buy tickets without personally knowing the people in that building that controls everything.

Geez.....
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May 9, 2025, 2:17 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
I read what you wrote. I disagree that he cheated the players. He didn't rig the RNG to pick numbers no one else picked. He rigged the RNG to pick numbers that he picked.

As far as allegedly "rambling" about random numbers and math, um, we are talking about the lottery, no? A game which uses random numbers to pick winners? A game in which math will tell you the odds of winning given the rules and the number and types of tickets you buy? What else besides math would we use to calculate our odds of winning? Oh wait, that's right, there are no fair odds of winning, because it's all controlled by the people in one building in Oklahoma. We're either destined to win because they like us or we're destined to lose because we're suckers who buy tickets without personally knowing the people in that building that controls everything.

Geez.....

How did he not cheat players.? Everyone who bought a ticket for that drawing that he rigged . Was cheated.! And all the drawings prior. If he rigged any of those. Did he have any access to other games? I bet if he did he was told to S.T.F.U. about it .and take his charge for the one. He probably had access to several multi state games. And local games. And this Oklahoma thing again your rambling..... I said nothing of the sort. And the only reason he was caught was because he tried cashing a ticket. This would still be going on if he was not caught. So yea it is rigged. There's the proof.
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May 9, 2025, 2:28 pm

Is it still rigged today? I doubt it but I suppose it's possible. It doesn't affect ball draw games or scratch-off games. I wish everyone would boycott RNG games. If the lottery is too lazy to run a live ball draw game, they should just cancel it.

My comment about Oklahoma came from the thread starter who wrote "Scientific Games run all state lotteries and that's 1 building in the state of OKLAHOMA and the reason they can have a game like this that runs so long and be so deceptive is because its players is 98% people like u even when faced with the truth they don't believe it "
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May 9, 2025, 2:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on May 9, 2025
Is it still rigged today? I doubt it but I suppose it's possible. It doesn't affect ball draw games or scratch-off games. I wish everyone would boycott RNG games. If the lottery is too lazy to run a live ball draw game, they should just cancel it.

My comment about Oklahoma came from the thread starter who wrote "Scientific Games run all state lotteries and that's 1 building in the state of OKLAHOMA and the reason they can have a game like this that runs so long and be so deceptive is because its players is 98% people like u even when faced with the truth they don't believe it "

Is it still not rigged should be the question you wanna ask.........Are ball draws rigged? Are scratch games rigged? How does it not affect ball draw games? Did you already forget about the pick 3 in pa? And how do you know scratchers aren't rigged? From what I gather they know what store the high dollar ones are at. When they send them out. And rng games are not used out of laziness. There used because of more profit. I said nothing of the sort about Oklahoma. Your grouping me. I actually said the opposite . If ya read in the comments. People like me ask questions when they see inconsistent things go on. And patterns. Your the 98%. That walk with your head down not questioning anything. And keep shelling out money because you think since the government runs it. It's legit. I question everything the government does or has there hands in. People like me wonder why I have been playing for over 20 years and haven't won <snip>. Then I see this is so and so's third time winning. Is it luck or staged . To make it look a certain way.

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