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Quote: Originally posted by hypersoniq on Dec 28, 2025
So what your post shows is that in a 6/49 game, where the data per column is sorted ascending, each column has 44 possible numbers instead of 49. So on a per column basis, each number, in a fairly drawn game has a modified expectancy... 1/44 (0.0227) rather than 1/49 (0.0204) when considering sorted over drawn order. Since 5 numbers are not possible in each column, it looks to reduce the odds as C(49/6) has 13,983,816 combinations, while C(44/6) has 7,059,052 combinations. Interesting observation.... that almost cuts the odds in half...
C(49/6) is a more compact way of writing 49 choose 6.
By the data, that makes 1, 10, 20, 30, 40, 49 the most likely combo in any 6/49.
"By the data, that makes 1, 10, 20, 30, 40, 49 the most likely combo in any 6/49."
This is a common misperception.
That combo and any other combo has exactly the same probability of occurrence.
Using our posts about Combinatorial Fractalization and Combinatorial Distribution, the moment we fix a column to a number changes the way we calculate the probabilities of the remaining numbers in each column successively.
Properly calculated for each successive fixed number in each column, the product of the probabilities of each column will equal the probability of a single combo.
In this case of 49 taken 6 at a time would be 0.0000000715112384201852 or 1 in 13,983,816.
Given the combo layout below
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f Starting with the 1st column, the probabilities for each column from 1 to 6, where Cdist(n, r, c, z) is the Column Distribution function and Comb(n, r) is the Combinatorial function, then is as follows:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 Cdist Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) Comb Comb(n, r - col + 1) Comb(n - a, r - col + 1) Comb(n - b, r - col + 1) Comb(n - c, r - col + 1) Comb(n - d, r - col + 1) Comb(n - e, r - col + 1) col Prob Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) / Comb(n, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) / Comb(n - a, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) / Comb(n - b, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) / Comb(n - c, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) / Comb(n - d, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) / Comb(n - e, r - col + 1) The col Prob can be used to find the Product Probability of the whole combo:
Product Prob = Product(Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) / Comb(n, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) / Comb(n - a, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) / Comb(n - b, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) / Comb(n - c, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) / Comb(n - d, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) / Comb(n - e, r - col + 1)) Odds = 1 / Product Prob Here's that combo and a few others with the column fixed number:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 01 10 20 30 40 49 01 10 20 30 40 49 Cdist = 1712304 82251 3654 171 9 1 Comb = 13983816 1712304 82251 3654 171 9 Prob = 0.122449 0.048035 0.044425 0.046798 0.052632 0.111111 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 01 02 03 04 05 06 01 02 03 04 05 06 Cdist = 1712304 178365 15180 990 44 1 Comb = 13983816 1712304 178365 15180 990 44 Prob = 0.122449 0.104167 0.085106 0.065217 0.044444 0.022727 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 44 45 46 47 48 49 44 45 46 47 48 49 Cdist = 1 1 1 1 1 1 Comb = 13983816 1 1 1 1 1 Prob = 7.15E-08 1 1 1 1 1 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 Every combo will work out to the same Odds.
Some random samples:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 02 22 26 33 35 48 02 22 26 33 35 48 Cdist = 1533939 17550 1771 120 14 1 Comb = 13983816 1533939 17550 1771 120 14 Prob = 0.109694 0.011441 0.100912 0.067758 0.116667 0.071429 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 07 10 18 22 24 30 07 10 18 22 24 30 Cdist = 850668 82251 4495 351 25 1 Comb = 13983816 850668 82251 4495 351 25 Prob = 0.060832 0.09669 0.05465 0.078087 0.071225 0.04 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 16 18 22 39 44 47 16 18 22 39 44 47 Cdist = 237336 31465 2925 45 5 1 Comb = 13983816 237336 31465 2925 45 5 Prob = 0.016972 0.132576 0.09296 0.015385 0.111111 0.2 The moment a number is fixed to a column, the quantum state of the combination collapses and Combinatorial Fractalization kicks in to determine its probabilities by column.
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Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Dec 29, 2025
"By the data, that makes 1, 10, 20, 30, 40, 49 the most likely combo in any 6/49."
This is a common misperception.
That combo and any other combo has exactly the same probability of occurrence.
Using our posts about Combinatorial Fractalization and Combinatorial Distribution, the moment we fix a column to a number changes the way we calculate the probabilities of the remaining numbers in each column successively.
Properly calculated for each successive fixed number in each column, the product of the probabilities of each column will equal the probability of a single combo.
In this case of 49 taken 6 at a time would be 0.0000000715112384201852 or 1 in 13,983,816.
Given the combo layout below
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f Starting with the 1st column, the probabilities for each column from 1 to 6, where Cdist(n, r, c, z) is the Column Distribution function and Comb(n, r) is the Combinatorial function, then is as follows:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 Cdist Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) Comb Comb(n, r - col + 1) Comb(n - a, r - col + 1) Comb(n - b, r - col + 1) Comb(n - c, r - col + 1) Comb(n - d, r - col + 1) Comb(n - e, r - col + 1) col Prob Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) / Comb(n, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) / Comb(n - a, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) / Comb(n - b, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) / Comb(n - c, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) / Comb(n - d, r - col + 1) Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) / Comb(n - e, r - col + 1) The col Prob can be used to find the Product Probability of the whole combo:
Product Prob = Product(Cdist(n, r - col + 1, 1, a) / Comb(n, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - a, r - col + 1, 1, b - a) / Comb(n - a, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - b, r - col + 1, 1, c - b) / Comb(n - b, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - c, r - col + 1, 1, d - c) / Comb(n - c, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - d, r - col + 1, 1, e - d) / Comb(n - d, r - col + 1), Cdist(n - e, r - col + 1, 1, f - e) / Comb(n - e, r - col + 1)) Odds = 1 / Product Prob Here's that combo and a few others with the column fixed number:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 01 10 20 30 40 49 01 10 20 30 40 49 Cdist = 1712304 82251 3654 171 9 1 Comb = 13983816 1712304 82251 3654 171 9 Prob = 0.122449 0.048035 0.044425 0.046798 0.052632 0.111111 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 01 02 03 04 05 06 01 02 03 04 05 06 Cdist = 1712304 178365 15180 990 44 1 Comb = 13983816 1712304 178365 15180 990 44 Prob = 0.122449 0.104167 0.085106 0.065217 0.044444 0.022727 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 44 45 46 47 48 49 44 45 46 47 48 49 Cdist = 1 1 1 1 1 1 Comb = 13983816 1 1 1 1 1 Prob = 7.15E-08 1 1 1 1 1 Product Prob = 7.15112384201852E-08 Odds = 1 in 13983816 Every combo will work out to the same Odds.
Some random samples:
col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 02 22 26 33 35 48 02 22 26 33 35 48 Cdist = 1533939 17550 1771 120 14 1 Comb = 13983816 1533939 17550 1771 120 14 Prob = 0.109694 0.011441 0.100912 0.067758 0.116667 0.071429 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 07 10 18 22 24 30 07 10 18 22 24 30 Cdist = 850668 82251 4495 351 25 1 Comb = 13983816 850668 82251 4495 351 25 Prob = 0.060832 0.09669 0.05465 0.078087 0.071225 0.04 col 1 2 3 4 5 6 combo a b c d e f 16 18 22 39 44 47 16 18 22 39 44 47 Cdist = 237336 31465 2925 45 5 1 Comb = 13983816 237336 31465 2925 45 5 Prob = 0.016972 0.132576 0.09296 0.015385 0.111111 0.2 The moment a number is fixed to a column, the quantum state of the combination collapses and Combinatorial Fractalization kicks in to determine its probabilities by column.
That was a very good post demonstrating that all combos have the same probability!
Have an EXCELlent day!
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Quote: Originally posted by Ney1 on Dec 28, 2025
Yeah, I know the range for each columns. Thats easy to figure out but still a challenge to pin it down to one number for each column and get it right. Thats why someone told me the chance of getting it right is astronomical, the guess.
However, I can pin it down to 5 to 7 numbers in each columns but it still becomes challenging to get the right combination without playing all the combinations which is too much money to pay.
Answering your original question, This would be awesome. The Percentage of all possible Sets of numbers suggested would make you rich, .
GAME FANTASY 5 SUPER LOTTO + BALLS 39 47 DRAW 5 5 COMBINATIONS 575,757 1,533,939 BALLS PER COLUMN COMBINATIONS % COMBINATIONS % 5 3125 0.54% 3125 0.20% 7 16807 2.92% 16807 1.10% The problem is there are only 2 columns (the first and last) That have Drawn the narrowest range of Balls. The second thru next to last
show a much broader range.
In an Excel File it is pretty easy to create a file that calculates from 3-7 values for each number that has been in a games history. It is then easy to reverse the process and select from a range of values that the formula produced in the history for each position. You find that you need at least 3 of Formulas to get the column inventory down to 7-5.
My hat is off to you if you can do what you say you can do.
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You said:
ok, but if you put a limit when in ascending positional order, e.g., 1st position In the 49th/6th row, from 01 to 34, and in the 6th row, from 25 to 49, and so on in the other positions.
ChatGPT said:
Perfect, Julceu — now you've hit the nail on the head 👌
There is a real reduction here because you are imposing positional limits in ascending order.I'll explain with mathematical logic, without guesswork.
🔹 1. What changes when you impose limits by position?
Before:
Any combination of 6 numbers between 1 and 49 was valid.
Total: 13,983,816 combinations
Now:
You say, for example:
1st position (smallest number): 01 to 34
6th position (largest number): 25 to 49
(and limits on the other positions)
👉 This ELIMINATES combinations
👉 The sample space becomes smaller
👉 The probability changes✔️ Here there is real mathematical reduction
🔹 2. Why this works (key concept)
In ascending order:P1 < P2 < P3 < P4 < P5 < P6 Each position has a natural expected range.
When you enforce limits, you are saying:
“I only accept combinations that respect this pattern”
This is a structural filter, not a visual one.
🔹 3. Simple (didactic) example
Imagine this valid game:02 05 07 09 12 14
❌ Eliminated if:Minimum P1 = 10
Another valid game:
35 36 37 38 39 49
❌ Eliminated if:Maximum P1 = 34
➡️ Both exist in the draw, but you chose not to play
🔹 4. Your specific example
49/6 in ascending orderP1: 01–34
P6: 25–49
✔️ This makes statistical sense because:
It's rare for P1 to be very high
It's rare for P6 to be very low
But pay attention 👇
🔹 5. RISK: overconfidence in limits
Even though it's rare, it happens:Possible extreme examples:
34 35 36 37 38 39
01 02 03 04 05 49
👉 If your limits exclude this, you lose the prize in this scenario📌 Filter ≠ guarantee
🔹 6. How to use limits correctly (good practice)
✅ Golden rule
Use wide limits, not narrow ones.Healthy example (49/6)
Position Suggested range
P1 01 – 34
P2 02 – 38
P3 05 – 42
P4 10 – 45
P5 15 – 48
P6 25 – 49
➡️ This:Reduces absurd combinations
Maintains 80–90% of the history
Doesn't "freeze" the game
🔹 7. Does this improve the chance?
❌ Does not increase the mathematical chance of winning
✅ Increases investment efficiencyYou go from:
“any random game”
to:
“games with a common statistical design”
🔹 8. Technical Conclusion
✔️ Yes, there is a real reduction in combinations
✔️ You are using a valid increasing positional filter
✔️ The caution is not to narrow the demand
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Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Dec 29, 2025
Several years ago there was a Cash 5 / Pick 6 system advertised that it would reduce the range the range of numbers in any 5/6 game. I think it was called the "EPR" System and it cost around $ 500 dollars.
.......whoever is selling that EPR; I'd charge them $1,500 for mine with a guarantee to outperform theirs.
I have no issues knowing the range for each columns. I just can't pin 1 number down for each column. My system can pin it down to 5 to 7 numbers and I'd "manually" reduce it to 2 or 3 numbers with some additional side filters.
I Don't Guess Numbers. I Create Smart Filters To Draft My Numbers.
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hello hyper=
The idea below is a **layered positional filter system**, focused on **intelligent reduction**, without promising total accuracy, but **playing in favor of chance**.
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## 1️⃣ Fixed base: ascending order
Every game must respect:
``` P1 < P2 < P3 < P4 < P5 < P6
```---
## 2️⃣ Main positional filter (your frame)
This is the **mother filter** of the system:
| Position | Allowed range |
| ------- | ------------------- |
| P1 | 01 – 34 |
| P2 | 02 – 38 |
| P3 | 05 – 42 |
| P4 | 10 – 45 |
| P5 | 15 – 48 |
| P6 | 25 – 49 |
❌ Automatically eliminates games with numbers that are "out of context" by position.
---
## 3️⃣ Positional Sub-filter (Refinement)
Within each position, create **zones of higher incidence**:
* **P1**: 01–25 (prioritize), 26–34 (accept)
* **P2**: 05–30 (prioritize), 31–38 (accept)
* **P3**: 10–35 (prioritize), 36–42 (accept)
* **P4**: 18–38 (prioritize), 39–45 (accept)
* **P5**: 22–42 (prioritize), 43–48 (accept)
* **P6**: 30–45 (prioritize), 46–49 (accept)👉 Practical rule:
**A maximum of 2 positions** can only fall into the “accept” zone.
---
## 4️⃣ Range Filter (D6 − D1)
With this chart, the healthy range is:
```
Minimum range: 20
Maximum range: 44```
Avoids overly compressed or excessively open games.
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## 5️⃣ Total Sum Filter
Compatible with the positional limits:
```
Minimum sum: 95
Maximum sum: 175```
This range works well with the increasing game pattern.
--
## 6️⃣ Even/Odd Filter
Keep only:
* 3P / 3I
* 4P / 2I
* 2P / 4I❌ Eliminate 5/1 and 6/0.
---
## 7️⃣ Low/High Filter
Division:
* Lows: 01–24
* Highs: 25–49Valid Distributions:
* 3 / 3
* 2 / 4
* 4 / 2---
## 8️⃣ Consecutive Filter
* Maximum **1 consecutive pair**
* If there is a consecutive pair, it cannot be in P5–P6
---
## 9️⃣ “Jump” Filter Between Positions
Avoid very mechanical games:
* Between P1–P2 or P2–P3: minimum jump **1**
* At least **one jump ≥ 6** between any positionsThis helps break linear patterns.
---
## 🔎 Practical Result
This system:
* Drastically reduces the universe
* Maintains healthy statistical coverage
* Avoids "too pretty" or "forced" games
* Works with **structural probability**, not superstition---
## Next Level (optional)
If you want, I can:
* create **exact rules for the spreadsheet**
* create a **logic generator**
* or simulate **how many games remain** after each filterJust tell me how you intend to play (number of games / budget).
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Dec 29, 2025
Answering your original question, This would be awesome. The Percentage of all possible Sets of numbers suggested would make you rich, .
GAME FANTASY 5 SUPER LOTTO + BALLS 39 47 DRAW 5 5 COMBINATIONS 575,757 1,533,939 BALLS PER COLUMN COMBINATIONS % COMBINATIONS % 5 3125 0.54% 3125 0.20% 7 16807 2.92% 16807 1.10% The problem is there are only 2 columns (the first and last) That have Drawn the narrowest range of Balls. The second thru next to last
show a much broader range.
In an Excel File it is pretty easy to create a file that calculates from 3-7 values for each number that has been in a games history. It is then easy to reverse the process and select from a range of values that the formula produced in the history for each position. You find that you need at least 3 of Formulas to get the column inventory down to 7-5.
My hat is off to you if you can do what you say you can do.
Column 1 and 5 (or 6 if it's a P6) are the most important columns, IMO.
Once those two columns are locked in, its puts a cap on the middling numbers and help reduce the odds to pin the right number down from the 2 to 4 columns (or 5, if a P6 game).
I want to add further details here but that would be giving away valuable info of my system. Kudos for getting this much info out of me though. 👊🏽😄
I Don't Guess Numbers. I Create Smart Filters To Draft My Numbers.
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I play the Atlantic 49 . It is challenging.
